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All Forum Posts by: Kyle Elmer

Kyle Elmer has started 3 posts and replied 76 times.

Post: CALLING ALL NEW ZEALAND BASED INVESTORS!

Kyle ElmerPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Dunedin, Otago
  • Posts 76
  • Votes 24

HI @Adriena Daunt

Thanks for think my little rant was a help ;-) 

Yes, the Healthy Homes Act is going to stir things up a bit, in the main for all the right reasons. The one thing that really worries us as investors are who is going to be in charge of making the decisions about what the standards are actually going to be more so than having a standard. Most Landlords/investors want to provide as good a property as their budget can provide as it is just good business sense to do that as a happy client is generally a paying client, unlike what the politicians seem to get told about us ;-) .

Some of these people trying to get involved in setting the standards have no real reality on life to understand what should and shouldn't be in an effective standard to the point that some testing mechanisms being trialled aren't even passing new builds that have just passed there Code of Compliance (so if its good enough to pass the new building code why is it not good enough for a minimum standard???)

As Dean mentioned above planning on appreciation outside of I would say just Auckland, is probably a bit of a guess (I wonder if Wellington and Hamilton will be much different to CHCH and Dunedin for expected growth in the medium term, and Tauranga may need to adjust its demographic growth if that is going to be sustainable seeing as how many retirees like to go there). But it is very hard if not impossible to find a market that gives both above average capital appreciation and cashflow anywhere so deciding which is more important to you is the key and heading in one direction or the other.

Dunners is rising at the moment, on the back of increasing population mainly by the looks of things, so good signs. The work does seem to be here at the moment and newer jobs coming in to town. If the hospital build goes ahead as planned then there should be even more steady money coming in during the build over the next 5 or so years too. The Uni has been buying and building capacity which has kept a lot of the builders busy during the downturn which never quite got to be more than a bit of a settle down for us. Again like Dean said we don't really get booms but we don't tend to get busts either, just steady wee rolls in the market cycle in general. If the Uni then starts to utilize all this capacity it has built with increased student roles then we should be on another steady upswing for a wee while.

If the hospital build and the 2GP come together at the same time then we could get some strong trades incomes coming in (although capacity constraints might bugger that a bit but that is NZ and even worldwide) so I personally am going to be looking at older stock that can be redeveloped or added on to with the old building refreshed if they are in good enough nick and a location on their site so that to me is where the council and the market would like to go. Smaller easy care sections and properties, near amenities ideally on brownfield/infill sites so less new expensive infrastructure for the council to provide and more population able to make the best of what the city already has to offer that can be utilized more.

So Cashflow is likely to be the best play with forced appreciation through redevelopment or refurbishment to keep the investing machine moving along and to end up with stock up to the new standards, that's how I am thinking about playing it personally. 

If anyone wants to have a bit of a chat about specifics feel free to PM me and we can have a look for you

Kyle

Post: Properties managed by a property manager

Kyle ElmerPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Dunedin, Otago
  • Posts 76
  • Votes 24

Hi @Timothy Shue, thanks @Hadar Orkibi

That average sounds a bit at the high end of the range, certainly if you are looking at SFR's. It depends on the type of manager you are looking at and the type of property they manage. The two main types of system are portfolio and pod/task based.

Portfolio means one person does everything from go to woah on a given number of properties and must be highly efficient in everything to get a good management. Usually this type of Manager would look after 100-150 doors but this varies if they are apartments in a few close by buildings or SFR's spread all over.

Task based will have a small team looking after a specialised area of each process for a number of properties. So a senior pm may focus mainly on the owners, a jnr pm may focus more on the tenants and inspections and an admin team will look after more of the paperwork, rent tracking etc. this could mean a pod might look after 300+ properties again depending on how close together they are and what type.

The benefit of pod over portfolio is a number of people keep an eye on your property and they tend to have an area they specialise in meaning the job is a bit more thorough, batching making it more efficient. It means there is normally someone on duty all the time too as one of the team can handle an unexpected situation and make sure the right person gets to sort it properly later. There are also more checks and balances as the next person in the process will pick up if someone has missed anything.

Portfolio you will have only one point of contact to deal with which can be nice, but that person will need to be a good sales person to get it rented, a good details person to do the inspections and track the rent payments etc.

As you can probably tell we built our business as a pod system as we preferred a number of people keeping an eye on the property, tenants and each other. It just means we needed to build very good systems and reporting internally so everyone knows what stage things are at.

Hope that helps.

Kyle

Post: Newbie first post saying Hello from New Zealand!

Kyle ElmerPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Dunedin, Otago
  • Posts 76
  • Votes 24

Hi @Joshua F.

Welcome to BP, you'll find things much more collaborative than the usual kiwi forums so enjoy. We started a bit of a Kiwi Thread  here a year or two ago so feel free to pop over and introduce yourself. I think there were a couple of people from up your neck of the woods too from memory?

Also might be good to try and join your local PIA, Property Investors Association. There really low cost and tend to have lots of good meetups, events information etc.

Kyle

Post: Clause to enter house prior to settlement

Kyle ElmerPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Dunedin, Otago
  • Posts 76
  • Votes 24

I haven’t done possession type clauses like that but have done the early access to show potential tenants. Or early access to do renovations which would be more similar to what your talking but that wouldn’t be appropriate here on a new build as there is no incentive for the seller to go for it?

Your in CHCH so maybe give Lewis Donaldson at Harcourts/Canterbury Property investors association a buzz and see if he has seen/heard of similar clauses? He’s a good bloke to get to know anyway for investments in CHCH

Kyle

Post: The Book on Estimating Rehab Costs

Kyle ElmerPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Dunedin, Otago
  • Posts 76
  • Votes 24

Hi Jordana

I bought the book not long after it came out as I am a bit of a book fiend. It is a good read and like @Hadar Orkibi and @Dean Letfus mentioned the terminology and costings are quite different to NZ.

I did find it useful though and over time have been able to use it as a starting point to begin developing some spreadsheets of things I would have forgotten to include or more likely bundled together when I should have really kept them separate.

Maybe some of the Kiwi crew will sit down someday and write the kiwi guide in the future...

K

Post: Has anyone watched "Renters" on Netflix?

Kyle ElmerPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Dunedin, Otago
  • Posts 76
  • Votes 24

We've been asked to be on the show numerous times and flatly refused as it is a pure sensationalism of what actually happens here. I bet there are hundreds of hours of footage that are not 'TV' worthy for the editors. I would hope that it would be a complete waste of my time to be on when they have asked, as those kinds of events I could count on one hand that have happened to us in 11yrs so they would trail around behind us for days and then cut it all out of the edit!

That is why it is often the same PM's that are featured on it all the time. They are the ones that feel the 15mins of fame is still worth an "any exposure is good exposure' type of marketing for them and so go with the flow of that type of editorial.

Post: New Zealand Investors

Kyle ElmerPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Dunedin, Otago
  • Posts 76
  • Votes 24

Hi @Timothy Shue

Welcome to BP, kiwi edition.

There is a forum link to a number of Kiwi's on BP here 

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/86/topics/308...

The other person worth contacting in CHCH could be Lewis Donaldson. He is an agent and property investor who served on the board of the NZPIF, (National Property Investors Federation).

Good luck, Kyle

Post: CALLING ALL NEW ZEALAND BASED INVESTORS!

Kyle ElmerPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Dunedin, Otago
  • Posts 76
  • Votes 24

Hi @Dave Sandford

The best two to talk to in this group of Kiwis in USA market is probably @Hadar Orkibi or @Dean Letfus who are both buying in the states but are Kiwi investors.

Good luck

Post: CALLING ALL NEW ZEALAND BASED INVESTORS!

Kyle ElmerPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Dunedin, Otago
  • Posts 76
  • Votes 24

HI @Nathan Carter

Welcome to NZ. As mentioned above to Chris there are 2 main organisations in Wellington that have meet ups/meetings etc, Wellington PIA and Capital PIA. I know Richard and Jackie who run the team at Wellington http://wellington.nzpif.org.nz/ so they could be a good place to start?

Hope that helps, Kyle

Hi @Jarrod Jemison

Kyle originally from England but now a Kiwi in Dunedin, NZ. Originally found BP from the podcast which like @Hadar Orkibi a mate of mine locally, I listen to religiously and save a number of episodes specific to my interests to go back over when I find time on the end of a paint brush ;-). I have been a member since about the same time I found the podcast about 3 1/2yrs ago and like to help out in the Forum post that we started for Kiwi investors on BP here https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/86/topics/308...

We started researching investing in RE in 1999 and bought our first one in 2002. We bought in Dunedin, NZ from the UK with a view to returning to NZ to 'early retire' in our late 20's early 30's. We have since ended up with a portfolio up to 25 units in multi family, duplex, and SFH. We have for the last 10+ years also run a successful PM business, a vertically integrated renovation business and property coached and spoken at conferences and meet ups, as well as sitting on the regional, and national boards of the property investor associations including being on the committee that ran the 2011 NZPIF national conference in Queenstown and the Property management association in NZ with my wife Tania.

I have been using BP to both connect with those who want help in investing here in Otago and NZ as well as plan the next stage of our own investing which may look like getting in to new unit development due to new planning rules coming into law soon in our district and having a real interest in increasing our Cashflow from our existing assets. So I have been taking real interest in the Podcasts around the turnkey providers who can provide great product for their investors as well as the vendor financing, alternative funding choices you have in the US that in a large part we dont have access to currently in NZ but which I am hoping we might be able to find ways to do?

I am also looking to see if anyone is using alternative energy options to increase returns from their investments whilst reducing environmental  impacts, I have some ideas but am struggling to work out the finer details which may trip it up?

Thanks to all those in the BP team and community for your efforts and tag or PM me if I can be any help

Kyle