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All Forum Posts by: Owen Rosen

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Post: Converting from homeowner to landlord insurance policy

Owen Rosen
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Quote from @Greg M.:

500K is high and will exclude lots of companies from writing the renters policy. Many companies offer 300K max and above that they'd need an umbrella. 

Liability insurance covers negligence. If your tenant falls down the stairs because they were clumsy, you're not liable. If a stair comes loose, you may be liable. Once your primary liability insurance is exhausted, your 3M umbrella would kick in. 

Mold is being excluded by many companies. Some offer it as an additional rider for more money. For those with coverage, whether an occurance of it is covered would be based on how it occured and did/should you have knowledge about the potential for mold. Many companies are also limiting the claim for mold. You may have a 1M policy, but 25K for mold limit.

Cracked water pipe MAY be covered. Insurance companies are becoming stricter on things. If the pipe is 50 years old and had a life expectancy of 30 years, they're going to argue it was due to lack of care on your part and try to deny the claim. 

Normal repairs are absolutely NOT covered by insurance. Those are out of your pocket. Loss of rental income is only covered if it is listed in your policy. 


 A few notes from a licensed insurance agent:

$500,000 liability coverage on renters insurance is not difficult or expensive to get.  Do some companies max out at $300,000? Sure, but again securing $500,000 isn't difficult.

That said, liability coverage is lawsuit protection coverage just like it is for you.  There's no guarantee that the liability coverage will pay out unless the tenant is negligent, at fault, etc.

Mold is typically not covered by insurance at all.  If it is covered it's usually if caused by a covered loss meaning mold develops due to some other covered peril.  If you just randomly find mold in a property, it's highly unlikely any insurance will cover that.  Just because you see a mold limit on your policy does not mean you have coverage for mold.  It likely means you have that amount of coverage when caused by another peril and as mentioned it's typically a significantly lower limit than other coverage amounts.

If a pipe bursts, it will likely be covered.  If you have a slow leak...coverage is less likely especially with aged plumbing.

To the original poster, Salil.  These specific questions should be posed to the agent that sold you the policy.  Every policy is different.  A knowledgeable agent is invaluable.  If you don't have an agent...well...nothing is a problem until it's a problem but our advice and opinions are meaningless if you actually need to use your insurance.

It's vitally important that you understand exactly what you have before you need it.  Get things in writing if you're not comfortable with what you see or hear.

Post: Converting from homeowner to landlord insurance policy

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Quote from @Salil Surendran:

Just rented out my primary residence and researching insurance coverage. Here is what I have learnt. Please do comment if wrong:

  1. If you are not residing in a unit then a homeowner’s insurance will not cover anything. If there is any kind of damage to the house because of a natural cause if you approach the insurance company without a landlord's insurance they will outright deny your claim.
  2. If you have a mortgage the bank will insist that you have landlord insurance
  3. Tenant has renter's insurance. So if there is any kind of physical harm to the tenant say due to slipping on the stairs etc. the tenants renter insurance will cover the medical cost. It the tenant causes a fire and damages my house and neighboring houses then their renter's insurance will conver all the costs.
  4. My HOA has insurance. So if there is a fire due to natural cause, HOA insurance will cover the cost of exterior repair like painting the exterior walls. My landlord insurance will have to cover the costs of fixing the interior like replacing carpet, interior painting etc.
  5. I can completely give up on homeowner’s insurance and just buy landlord insurance?

 1. If you have not disclosed how a property is actually being used - coverage is always in jeopardy

2. If you have a mortgage the lender will require you to have insurance that protects the asset that secures the loan

3. Tenants renters insurance does not cover medical expenses for the tenant

4. This depends on the HOA and the insurance. In general, if you have a typical condo unit the HOA insurance covers the exterior structure while your insurance covers the "studs in."

5. If you do not live in a property, you should not have homeowners insurance on it.  You need some sort of insurance that covers non-owner occupied properties, whatever it might be called.

Post: Insurance Coverage Question

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Quote from @Carl Rowles:

When you insure a SFH rental property, do you try to adjust and of the coverage amounts? We bought a home built in 1900, insurance water damage coverage is 10% of the dwelling limit. Do you up that? Or how do you just 'take it on the chin' when sh*t happens? (Sh*t has definitely happened already...)


 Some carriers require limited water damage coverage depending on the age of the property and age of utilities.

I would recommend at least 25% (ideally more) when possible and if you're limited to 10% you should make sure you cannot purchase another policy for a similar price.

Post: Flooded House-Plz Help

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Quote from @Carl Rowles:

We signed the lease on Black Friday. Thought they were moving in the couple days after that. 


 The property can only be vacant for so long without notifying insurance so when the prior tenant moved out could be impactful here.

Post: Flooded House-Plz Help

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Quote from @Carl Rowles:

Hey BPFAM,

new investor, so just need guidance. 

We are eight hours away from our property visiting family for Christmas and got a call that our rental has 3 feet of water in the basement. A ceiling has collapsed and the property is not safe to enter. Water is shut off and they are removing the electrical meter. Tenants leased the property beginning December one but apparently have not moved in yet? Not sure on that front. What the city housing clerk is telling me is that there was a water leak from behind the sink pedestal on the second floor bathroom that has been running for a week.


 I don’t even know where to begin outside of calling my insurance company. Can anyone please lend some guidance?


 Sorry to hear about this.

You mentioned that the tenants haven't moved in...how long has it been vacant for?

Post: Liability Insurance for room rental

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Quote from @William Stewart:

Hi BP nation I rent a property out by the room.  It's a 5 bed 3 bath. I was insured through NREIG when it was a single rental to one family but now since I have transferred to room they dropped me. Does anyone else do it like this and who do you use for liability insurance? Thank you in advance for any help


 One thing I've seen with policies through NREIG is that investors have basic perils/actual cash value coverage only and aren't aware.  Not sure how their program works but I've seen this personally a dozen times with the key part the insured not being aware...

Post: Any experience with landlord insurance after property is burglarized and vandalized

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Quote from @Nicholas Foy:

Has anyone ever had to deal with a rental being broken into and vandalized? I got a call from the Warren City hall and they reported pipes bursting and the whole driveway is flooded on initial reports. They reported a window sill being taken off and it would appear someone broke in over the Christmas week. I’m wondering on the process of getting things in order to rehab the house through insurance and put it up for sale. I’m going to take a big hit getting rid of it but it’s been a complete disaster since I bought it in October of 2023. Various repair issues, bad tenant, and now this issue. Thanks for any advice you can give. 


Did you still have the bad tenant or was the property vacant?  If vacant, did you have vacant property insurance and/or for how long was it vacant for?

Do you have vandalism as a covered peril?

Post: Landlord insurance claim

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Based on the facts as you outlined, no

Post: Homeowners Insurance/Landlord insurance/Umbrella insurance

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Quote from @Ed B.:
Quote from @John Mocker:
Christopher Below is some info that I posted in the past. It may be helpful: I can give you some general info on insuring the property: Here are some things to look for from an Insurance prospective: 1.Any in-ground tanks (active or inactive) 2.Any Knob & Tube or Aluminum Wiring 3.If built before 1978, does the building have Lead Safe certifications 4.Any wood stoves or secondary heating units. If so, were permits pulled & were they installed by a professional 5.Are any of the homes rented to students 6.Is there a flat roof 7.are there asbestos shingles 8. Do any of the tenants have Dogs (Breed restrictions are individual to each company). These may not prevent you from getting insurance but they may limit the number of companies willing to insure it. That may increase your cost or limit the coverage you can get. The Year that the following were updated (either partially or fully) would be good to know: - Heating systems - Roof - Plumbing - electrical Some companies will not write properties with systems that have not been updated. As long as you are living there, the proper policy for a 1-4 family is a "Homeowners" policy. If the property is solely tenant occupied you will be looking for a Dwelling/Fire Policy (may be called a Landlord policy or similar name) or a commercial policy such as a Business Qwners or Package policy. Most homeowners or dwelling/fire policies include: 1. Dwelling (Building coverage) The limit should be based on the Replacement Cost of the building (cost to rebuild with the same kind and quality excluding the foundation) 2. Contents (Personal Property): most homeowners policies give a set % of the Building limit for Contents. Dwelling/Fire policies require that you request a limit for contents. 3. Detached Structures: for other buildings on the property (ie. sheds & detached garages) Again, there is normally an included limit of 10% of the building limit. That can be increased if needed. 4. Loss of Use / Loss of Rents: Normally, there is a 20% included limit. Loss of use is for your additional expenses if you can not live there due to a covered claim (ie. Fire). The Loss of Rents is for the loss of Rental income if the tenants can not occupy the house after a covered loss. 5. Personal Liability: For claims due to Bodily Injury or Property Damage that you become Liable for and which is covered under the policy. Companies normally offer limits up to $500,000 but some offer $1,000,000. Buy the max. 6. Medical Payments: Provides coverage for an injury suffered on the premises. Does not require proof that you were at fault. Used to keep small loses into becoming lawsuits. Normally offered up to $5,000 but check to see if higher limits are available. 7. Deductible: This is not a coverage but rather your portion of a claim. Most better policies will not have a deductible for either the Liability or Medical payments coverage. It will apply to the other 4 coverages. You can select the amount of the deductible, usually ranges from $500 to $5,000. The higher the deductible the lower your overall premium but get quotes on all the deductibles you are interested in. Sometimes the incremental savings from $1,000 to $2,500 or from $2,500 to $5,000 are too small to make the higher deductible worthwhile. ***depending on how far the house is from the coast, you may also be required to have a separate Wind or Hurricane deductible. Most times, the deductible will be 2% to 5% of the building value. That is a significant amount (on a $500,000 building that comes to $10,000 for 2% or $25,000 for 5%). A policy with a higher premium may be a better deal if it does not have a wind deductible. There are many endorsements that are available on the homeowners policy. Without knowing the details I can not suggest which would be right to add on. Several you should pay attention to are: - Ordinance & Law: Provides additional building coverage to deal with rebuilding cost Increases due to changes in Zoning or Building laws - Personal Injury Liability: Libel, defamation of character, wrongful imprisonment, etc. (normally recommended, especially if you are a landlord) - Water Backup: For water damage due to the backup of Sewers or Drains. - Personal Articles: Coverage for belongings that have a special or collectors value such as Jewelry, Furs, Fine Arts, Collectibles, etc... Your age should not be a factor on the pricing but, depending on the company these other factors may get you credits: - Insurance Score (company pulls certain info out of your credit report). It is not your credit score but generally better credit will result in a better score - Time at your job - Education level - time at current residence Good Luck & feel free to PM me if you have any questions.

 It's none of the insurance company's business whether's it's rented to students!  How dare they ask such a question! They can butt the hell out!  I"ve rented to students and it's mostly been a good experience.


 Some carriers don't ask but you should make sure that you're not indicating (in the policy application that is typically e-signed) that you aren't using your property for student housing if you are.  

If they find out they can cancel your policy (which makes getting a new policy more difficult) or if you have a claim they could deny coverage.

Post: More Insurance tightening

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Quote from @Rich Davis:

I know there have been posts regarding the ever increasing cost of insurance.  I am seeing a different insurance issue.  All of my buildings are three stories. Insurance is suddenly dropping me due to the buildings not having a sprinkler system. Of course I can switch carriers, but the question to you all, is are you noticing insurance carriers getting very picky with certain things, and if so, what?

Yes. I don't expect material improvements until 2026 at the earliest.