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All Forum Posts by: Owen Rosen

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Post: Insurance provider inTexas

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Quote from @Mack Tesfa:

Looking on recommendation for insurance provider for multifamily in Texas, Hidalgo county ,any experience

thank you  


 sent a DM if you'd like assistance

Post: Tenant Ignoring Renters Insurance Requirement – What’s My Next Step?

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Quote from @Drew Sygit:

@Owen Rosen the links you shared pretty much only state a tenant shouldn't have to supply liability coverage to their landlord.

Of course they will say this as the provider does NOT want the extra liability of covering additional parties!

The landlord though, should WANT all the coverage they can get!

If a tenant causes a claim, why should the landlord's insurance pay - possibly resulting in an increase in premium or even a cancellation of the policy?

In a personal injury claim caused by the tenant, who's the plaintiff's attorney going to sue?

EVERYONE including the landlord!

So, again, why wouldn't the landlord want additional coverage from the tenant's policy?

Drew, that's not what the links say.  It's also not what I'm saying.  I actually write the policies and the insurance companies create the contracts and provide the coverage.  Renters insurance is designed to protect the renter.  Full stop.

Here's another link:

https://www.thezebra.com/auto-insurance/insurance-guide/addi...

That said, let's address your scenario.  You think that in the event of a liability lawsuit, a landlord will be able to avoid notice of loss to their insurance by defending themselves with the coverage provided by the tenants renters insurance?  There is basically zero chance of that occurring.  

The first thing that the renters insurance would do is contact the landlord insurance and they would step in on the matter and/or they would subrogate any costs to the landlord's liability insurance.

 There is risk for the landlord in being added as an insured though - specifically if the tenant and landlord are opposed in a matter.  It turns black and white into gray and could jeopardize both parties ability to subrogate against the other.

Post: Tenant Ignoring Renters Insurance Requirement – What’s My Next Step?

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@Owen Rosen

No...here's why it is 'additionally insured:"  

"An additional insured is anyone who enjoys the benefits of the insurance policy that is not the primary policyholder. In general, an additional insured is added when the additional party carries some of the risk related to the insured property."  

Internet searches are abundant; here's one:
https://www.proinsgrp.com/should-i-add-my-landlord-to-my-ren...

@Patricia Steiner, it's not advisable.  Linking to a blog on a random insurance agency is not useful.

The landlord has no interest in the property being insured which are the tenants belongings.  A tenant has no reason to provide liability coverage to the landlord and the rights given to an additional insured.  This can complicate claims payments for the named insured/tenant.  It could complicate coverage in the event of a lawsuit as well.

The landlord absolutely can ask the tenant to be named as an additional interest and this gives peace of mind that in the event of a claim the tenant would at least have potentially recoverable funds.

Does this mean that landlords are never added as additional insureds?  No, it doesn't mean that.  It means that in my 15+ years of experience as an insurance agent this is the correct way to do it.  For references from actual insurance companies:

https://www.progressive.com/answers/interested-party-renters...

https://www.lemonade.com/renters/explained/interested-party/...

https://www.travelers.com/renters-insurance/faqs

Post: Tenant Ignoring Renters Insurance Requirement – What’s My Next Step?

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Quote from @Patricia Steiner:

Not only does the tenant need to provide proof of Renter's Insurance BEFORE moving in, it must include "Landlord as additionally insured" coverage.  Since the tenant is in, what does your lease state?  If it is a lease covenant, send them a violation letter by US Mail with proof of delivery required and/or post the notice on the door in a sealed envelope with their name on it, taking a photo to prove delivery.  Know this:  the #1 reason why landlords fail according to the American Apartment Owners' Association is failure to manage to the lease.  If you fail to enforce, that's on you - as are the consequences.  And, you don't want to rely on a security deposit offset/fight should damages be sustained.  Enforce the lease; it's a cheap date through their auto insurance company...and get proof of it.


Landlord should be "additional interest" not "additional insured"

Post: Looking for insurance provider for a multi-family building in East Chicago

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Post: Buying in a flood plain

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Quote from @Benjamin Sanders:

Hi all,

My wife and I made a last-minute offer on a rental property in New Albany that is in a flood plain. We have until noon tomorrow to get a quote on flood insurance and withdraw our offer if we wish. Even if the rental has a decent cash flow with additional flood insurance, we're still not sure we want to take on that risk as we are out-of-state investors (planning to move back to KY in the future, but not now) and we don't like that it will potentially bring down the perceived value when we try to sell it in the future.

The seller has never lived there and has not provided any information on if it has flooded before or not. 

Does anyone have any experience with buying and selling in a flood plain? How much cash flow makes it worth it, in your opinion?

Thanks in advance for any advice!


 What did you end up doing?  It's not difficult (shouldn't take long) to get flood insurance quotes (NFIP & private) if you work with a good agent.

Post: Need a Good Multifamily Insurance Agent in the Chicagoland area

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Quote from @Anupam Banerji:

Hi, we are under contract on a 6 unit deal in Chicago and are looking for insurance.  Can anyone please recommend a good insurance broker that we can work with to get the deal under insurance?

I could simply ask the seller for a certificate of insurance and call that company, but a good broker would help in finding competetive quotes, and we would almost certainly use their services again for future acquisitions.


 Also, just as a tip for you and others I think you'd find that asking for a certificate from the seller and calling that company may be more challenging than it sounds anyway.

Post: Need a Good Multifamily Insurance Agent in the Chicagoland area

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Quote from @Anupam Banerji:

Hi, we are under contract on a 6 unit deal in Chicago and are looking for insurance.  Can anyone please recommend a good insurance broker that we can work with to get the deal under insurance?

I could simply ask the seller for a certificate of insurance and call that company, but a good broker would help in finding competetive quotes, and we would almost certainly use their services again for future acquisitions.


 sent a DM

Post: Options for fire damanged rental property

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@Harsh Shah, find a good public insurance adjuster to hire!

A public insurance adjuster works for YOU! They will get the biggest payout you are entitled to and take a cut of whatever they get for you as payment I believe.

For example, the insurance company offers you $100k.

The adjuster will dig into the details. Perhaps you have coverage for the replacement value BUT the insurance company when calculating the replacement property uses modern building materials like drywall but your original house had plaster which is much more expensive. They will get you the plaster price and take a portion of what they gained you.

On a larger and more complicated claim is when a public adjuster working for you makes the biggest difference.


 With regards to your example about plaster vs. drywall most insurance policies no longer will pay for the plaster whether you have a public adjuster or not.  Especially on a rental property.  I realize it's just an example and my comment is a generalization but just something to be aware of.

With regards to the original question, I think it comes down more to what you want to do and what the offer is for walking away vs. rebuilding.


That is the exact example a public insurance adjuster used when speaking to a local investor group a few years ago. That's why I used it.That is also part of my point, an adjuster will know better what you're entitled to. 

I'm sure some policies have all kinds of language in them, but if it guarantees me full replacement that is what I would expect otherwise my granite counters would be replaced with laminate and my tile and hardwood replaced with vinyl and the cheapest carpet. If they won't replace the walls with the same quality materials they probably wouldn't do it for counters or floors either.


 1. Very few non-owner occupied property policies guarantee full replacement cost - they typically provide replacement cost up to the dwelling limit purchased.  And that's only if you rebuild.

2. Plaster walls and construction materials are very different than countertops and flooring.  Yes, if you had granite, you will be able to replace with granite so long as you have any sort of replacement cost policy.  Depending on the type of replacement cost (functional, common construction, etc.) you may or may not be able to get reimbursed or replace with the exact materials that were there before.  If something is not commonly used in modern construction you might get something that is functionally equivalent.

3. I'm not arguing against a public adjuster. I'm pointing out that insurance contracts for non-owner occupied properties are typically less generous than for homeowners policies.  On top of that, many policies have become more strict (especially in the last few years) with replacement cost language because replacement cost estimates did not keep up with inflation for a period of time AND/OR replacement costs on many older properties had skyrocketed so it made more sense to calculate replacement values with functionally equivalent rather than exact materials.

Post: Options for fire damanged rental property

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Quote from @Kevin Sobilo:

@Harsh Shah, find a good public insurance adjuster to hire!

A public insurance adjuster works for YOU! They will get the biggest payout you are entitled to and take a cut of whatever they get for you as payment I believe.

For example, the insurance company offers you $100k.

The adjuster will dig into the details. Perhaps you have coverage for the replacement value BUT the insurance company when calculating the replacement property uses modern building materials like drywall but your original house had plaster which is much more expensive. They will get you the plaster price and take a portion of what they gained you.

On a larger and more complicated claim is when a public adjuster working for you makes the biggest difference.


 With regards to your example about plaster vs. drywall most insurance policies no longer will pay for the plaster whether you have a public adjuster or not.  Especially on a rental property.  I realize it's just an example and my comment is a generalization but just something to be aware of.

With regards to the original question, I think it comes down more to what you want to do and what the offer is for walking away vs. rebuilding.