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All Forum Posts by: Jay Hurst

Jay Hurst has started 7 posts and replied 1428 times.

Post: Buying friends house

Jay Hurst
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Quote from @Christian Latimer:

Conroe, TX

My friend is moving. The house is in a good school district, great neighborhood. Bought in 2021. I want to buy it as a long term play. However, it would be cash flow negative if I were able to assume the mortgage or buy it with 20% down at the market price. 

Any creative ways to buy this deal that’s a win-win for both of us?

Probs worth 365k right now.


 I would offer 90% of the market value. if he sells it you with no agents he is saving 6%~ on real estate agent commission and the other 4% is a convenience fee in that he dos not have to endure showings etc. 

and you will get better pricing on a non-owner occupied property if you put down 25% is compared to 20%.  

Post: Forclosure or try to sell at a loss??

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Quote from @Alyssa Balam:

My husband and I acquired a rental property in 2023 with hard money with the intention of rehabbing the home and renting out the 3 units, refinancing and paying back this short term loan.

Unfortunately the ARV we relied on was significantly off and we have been stuck paying a high interest payment on this loan for months. We've tried to sell the property outright with no luck and would only be able to refinance if we put about $80k down.

Basically, we’re at the end of our rope with the place. Thoughts on (1) biting the bullet and starting the foreclosure process versus (2) waiting it out and trying to sell the property (at a loss)? No one putting in offers at our break even selling price. 

Note: All units are leased out currently and the total rent is currently equal to the interest payment we’re making so we’re at a break even but obviously can’t do this forever.

Also, the lender won’t take back the property in leu of payment-we asked.


 I saw your previous post about a year ago as well.  This is NOT to pile on as hindsight is 20/20, but maybe some one else reading this will see this and avoid this same mistake. 

A hard money lender who does NOT require a "subject to" appraisal  (which is an appraisal done with your scope of work in hand, and the appraiser gives you the after repair value) is 100% NOT doing you a favor. at all. Sure, it allows you to close that much faster and saves you a little bit up front. But, obviously, this scenario has already cost you a ton. 

I have borrowers tell me all the time that "other" lenders do not require an appraisal. Ok, fine, but I am not interested in foreclosing on you or taking your property back. I want to know the numbers but I also want YOU to know the numbers. Get an appraisal from a disinterested party. Sure, it will take a few days but worth its weight in gold. 

Post: Buying friends house

Jay Hurst
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Quote from @Christian Latimer:

Conroe, TX

My friend is moving. The house is in a good school district, great neighborhood. Bought in 2021. I want to buy it as a long term play. However, it would be cash flow negative if I were able to assume the mortgage or buy it with 20% down at the market price. 

Any creative ways to buy this deal that’s a win-win for both of us?

Probs worth 365k right now.


Is the current loan a USDA,VA or FHA? if not, you will not be able to assume the mortgage.

Post: Forclosure or try to sell at a loss??

Jay Hurst
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Quote from @Alyssa Balam:
Quote from @Jay Hurst:
Quote from @Alyssa Balam:

My husband and I acquired a rental property in 2023 with hard money with the intention of rehabbing the home and renting out the 3 units, refinancing and paying back this short term loan.

Unfortunately the ARV we relied on was significantly off and we have been stuck paying a high interest payment on this loan for months. We've tried to sell the property outright with no luck and would only be able to refinance if we put about $80k down.

Basically, we’re at the end of our rope with the place. Thoughts on (1) biting the bullet and starting the foreclosure process versus (2) waiting it out and trying to sell the property (at a loss)? No one putting in offers at our break even selling price. 

Note: All units are leased out currently and the total rent is currently equal to the interest payment we’re making so we’re at a break even but obviously can’t do this forever.

Also, the lender won’t take back the property in leu of payment-we asked.

 @Alyssa Balam  When is your hard money due in full?  Do they have an extension policy?  It is not really in their interest to foreclose either.  

It’s past due so we are surviving off our multiple 90 day extensions right now. They haven’t made it clear at what point they would say enough is enough and not issue any more extensions. 

 Do you own any other investment real estate?  

Post: Forclosure or try to sell at a loss??

Jay Hurst
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Quote from @Alyssa Balam:

My husband and I acquired a rental property in 2023 with hard money with the intention of rehabbing the home and renting out the 3 units, refinancing and paying back this short term loan.

Unfortunately the ARV we relied on was significantly off and we have been stuck paying a high interest payment on this loan for months. We've tried to sell the property outright with no luck and would only be able to refinance if we put about $80k down.

Basically, we’re at the end of our rope with the place. Thoughts on (1) biting the bullet and starting the foreclosure process versus (2) waiting it out and trying to sell the property (at a loss)? No one putting in offers at our break even selling price. 

Note: All units are leased out currently and the total rent is currently equal to the interest payment we’re making so we’re at a break even but obviously can’t do this forever.

Also, the lender won’t take back the property in leu of payment-we asked.

 @Alyssa Balam  When is your hard money due in full?  Do they have an extension policy?  It is not really in their interest to foreclose either.  

Post: Investment property refinance

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Quote from @Sam Chan:

how do i know if i have a conventional or FHA loan?


If you bought the property as an investment property is it NOT a FHA loan. FHA loans are only used for owner occupied properties. and to echo above, there is NO seasoning period for a rate/term refi on conventional loans, and vast majority of loan products that can be used on investment properties. Of course the cost vs rate savings still has to make sense for you but you can do it.

Post: PMI cancelation question

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Quote from @Jay Hurst:
Quote from @Brian Scott:

Well that's all depressing to read!

But yes hindsight is 20/20. 

So what are my best options on a refinance?


 what do you think the property is worth today?


 At least 615. My neighbor has numerous MF properties and he believes it will come in somewhere between 650 and 7. 


You would have plenty of equity to refinance into a conventional loan. Your note rate will be higher then the 2.75% for sure, but of course your effective rate is higher then that with the 300 dollar of MIP. How many units is the property?

Post: PMI cancelation question

Jay Hurst
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Quote from @Brian Scott:

Well that's all depressing to read!

But yes hindsight is 20/20. 

So what are my best options on a refinance?


 what do you think the property is worth today?

Post: How to bypass the 6 months wait to refinance

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Quote from @Moshe Cohen:
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Quote from @Moshe Cohen:

Hi everyone!

I have an option to buy a house for 290k with an ARV of 350-360.

I have the funds in cash but was told I need to wait 6 months before I can refinance for the ARV and not for the purchase price I paid for it.

Any suggestions on how to buy it with the option to refinace it right after??

Thanks in advance...

 @Moshe Cohen   The easy answer is called "delayed financing" assuming you are buying/bought the property with cash.  You can use the stepped value on delayed financing, but you are limited to what you paid for the property cash in hand plus closing costs. So, you cannot borrow more then 290k plus closing costs in this case. HOWEVER, for most investment property cash out programs you will be capped at 75% loan to value (the delayed financing piece does  not effect this loan to value max). So, in your case if we assume a 360k market value the most you can borrow would be 270k anyway. So, the fact that you are capped to the purchase price plus closing costs does not come into play here.  


 Thank you for replying, 270k will be great, the thing is, I was told, doing a cash out right after the cash purchase, I can only take 75% from the 290k which is 217.5, so trying to figure out how to take the 270k without waiting 6 months.


 Who ever told you that is not right. we do it everyday. The below comes from THE source of Fannie Mae:

https://selling-guide.fanniemae.com/sel/b2-1.3-03/cash-out-r...



Post: Floor Leveling and Lifting for BRRRR

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Quote from @Nam Pham:
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Quote from @Nam Pham:

Hi Everyone,

Currently working through a BRRRR and wanted to get your thoughts on whether I should invest in floor leveling and lifting? My GC is recommending it to be thorough but it is costly. Would love to know your experiences and thoughts.

Thank you!

 @Nam Pham  Assume likely an older property on a pier and beam foundation, as compared to a slab foundation?

Thanks everyone. The building is from the 70s on pier and beam foundation. We're talking about leveling the whole house. I'd say it's liveable but definitely noticeably unleveled. 

 the 70's is much later then I expected you to say for a pier and beam in Texas. But, nonetheless, pier and beam is typically not terrible expensive to level (compared to slab foundation). Get a few quotes. and if you do not do it, when you go to refinance into a long term loan the appraiser will likely mark the report as "subject to" a structural engineer report of the foundation. and you will not be able to refi until you have done the  work that is required.