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All Forum Posts by: Jay Hurst

Jay Hurst has started 7 posts and replied 1568 times.

Post: Lenders only wanting to lend 80% of purchase?

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Quote from @Samuel Coronado:

I keep running into a road block. I am on my first BRRRR and the issue is lenders keep only wanting to lend on 80% of the purchase price and not the actual appraised value, which would keep my money tied up on the rehab portion as well as 20% of the purchase price. Is there a way to get the 80% of the appraised value out? Is BRRRR dead with institutional lenders? Or am I missing something?


My personal credit score is a 780 and I have multiple other properties but still not busting the DTI metric.

 @Samuel Coronado  

We have a 2 step program that we fund out of balance sheet that allows you to pull out cash before 12 months, and then refi into a conventional loan. You get the best of both worlds in that way: No seasoning to pull cash out AND the conventional rate/costs and no pre-payment penalty which are all better then DSCR loans.  

Post: HELOC or Cash Out Refi?

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Quote from @Christopher Sarter-Soto:

Hello, everyone.

I'm a newbie looking forward to getting started and getting my first BRRRR deal. My biggest struggle right now is understanding whether to get a HELOC on my primary home or do a cash out refinance so I can get started. Can you all give me your thoughts, pros and cons?

I owe around 168k on my primary but the last appraisal about 1 year ago came in at 422k. There's a lot of equity here I can tap into, but I just need help with the options.

Thanks for the help!

Chris

 @Christopher Sarter-Soto When you are looking to leverage any property (but especially your primary home) with a variable rate product you need to understand what your payoff plan is. In this case I assume it would be the refi portion of your planned BRRRR.

In that case you need to understand your refi options on the BRRRR before you purchase. You need to understand loan to value and seasoning requirements before you buy based on your ARV. Too many people do not think ahead and borrow 100k but can only pull out a much smaller number to pay back or have to wait longer then they expect. If/when that happens you have to account for the additional interest that the HELOC is costing you a month, and all of sudden the deal you think is so good suddenly is not as profitable as you modeled.

Post: Looking to refinance a traditional 30yr mortgage before 12 months

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Quote from @Kolin Goff:
Quote from @Jay Hurst:
Quote from @Kolin Goff:

Hi all - I have a traditional 30yr Fannie/Freddie loan with 25% down on a duplex that is currently rented out and cashflowing well. I have forced an additional 30% of appreciation through some redesign and repairs. Are there any loan products I’d be able to cash-out refinance into before 12 months of seasoning? I seem to get mixed messages in my research. Thank you!  


We have a 2 step program that we fund out of balance sheet that allows you to pull out cash before 12 months, and then refi into a conventional loan. You get the best of both worlds in that way: No seasoning to pull cash out AND the conventional rate/costs and no pre-payment penalty which are all better then DSCR loans. We do not lend in Missouri however if the property in is MO.


 Hey Jay - this is super intersting. Rental is in MO unfortunately here but are you aware of anyone else who has similar products serving MO? 


 I do not. We fund them using our own money so can make our own rules so it would not be a broker product. 

Post: New Investor Analysis Questions

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Quote from @Angelyn Avignon:

Hi everyone!

I am looking at purchasing my first investment property around Q3 of next year. I am leaning toward a house hack in a duplex and trying to figure out to do this. The goal for this investment would more cash flow focused with ideally a bit of appreciation as the secondary goal. I've looked around a little bit about where I'd like to move. Honestly I am not sure how to filter the data or which data I should be looking at when analyzing a deal. Can anyone help me figure out the right metrics I should be analyzing? Any tools I should look into for these metrics? Also what other questions should I be asking along these lines?

Thanks!!

 @Angelyn Avignon   I house hacked a duplex in 2000 before it was called a house hack. Even at that point it was hard to get "cash flow" meaning that the tenant from one unit rent would pay for the entire mortgage payment plus insurance/taxes with money left over (the cash flow). at least in a desirable, secure area of town.  BUT, you have to live somewhere right?  So if you entire payment is hypothetically 2k a month, and you can get a tenant to pay 1500 a month your payment is now 500 dollars a month.  You are now paying 500 dollars a month to live in a 1500 a month place. Not bad!  and you get the tax benefits of owing a home, and of being a landlord. And you now own real estate that will hopefully appreciate and when you move out will potentially provide cash flow. 

I hear from a lot of would be house hackers who do not understand that the paying for the whole mortgage and generating cash flow with today's pricing, rates with a low down payment is just not possible and keep renting. but, that is missing the forest for the trees. Paying less, while at the same paying towards equity and the other benefits are still much better then the alternative. 

Post: Looking to refinance a traditional 30yr mortgage before 12 months

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Quote from @Kolin Goff:

Hi all - I have a traditional 30yr Fannie/Freddie loan with 25% down on a duplex that is currently rented out and cashflowing well. I have forced an additional 30% of appreciation through some redesign and repairs. Are there any loan products I’d be able to cash-out refinance into before 12 months of seasoning? I seem to get mixed messages in my research. Thank you!  


We have a 2 step program that we fund out of balance sheet that allows you to pull out cash before 12 months, and then refi into a conventional loan. You get the best of both worlds in that way: No seasoning to pull cash out AND the conventional rate/costs and no pre-payment penalty which are all better then DSCR loans. We do not lend in Missouri however if the property in is MO.

Post: Looking to Refinance

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Quote from @AJ P.:

Hello, I have a property I purchased with cash and renovated and am now looking to refinance. I have spoken with my bank and feel as though there are better avenues than getting a mortgage with them. If anyone has any suggestions or advice, that would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!


@AJ P. You want to make sure you understand "seasoning period" in this case. Seasoning is just an industry word for waiting period. Most programs are going to have a seasoning period on when you can pull cash out using the new value. Conventional is 12 months for example, while most DSCR products are 6 months, and some with 3. But, rates/terms tend to get worse with shorter seasoning periods. You want to make sure your lender understand this as lot do not and you will waste a lot of time if you are trying to borrow more then what you purchased the house for.

Post: Should I refinance my 2.25% primary residence to a 7.5%+ DSCR to get equity out

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Quote from @Lindsey Konchar:

Hello BP!

I'm a new investor (just closed on our first rental - a long-term duplex)! We want to keep trucking down our investing road, but have a few barriers. The first being, we retired my husband out of corporate hell in September (yay!), but going all in on my self-employed business as a financial therapist means two things: 1. We don't have a ton of extra income to be saving for our next investment property and 2. We don't qualify for a conventional loan.

We bought our first rental with a DSCR loan with 25% down and interest rate of 7.5%. (Paid $199,500 and monthly rent is $2,150!)

Additionally, as my business is fully remote, we are moving to Costa Rica for one year - all of 2026! Which means we are going to rent our primary residence. For context, our house is on a 15-year conventional loan with a 2.25% interest rate. We have about $170,000 of equity in the house (but because of our employment arrangement we don't have access to a HELOC. And honestly, I don't know if I would want to be super leveraged anyway).

According to the lenders I've spoken with, we can't do a cash out refi either. I think, as we plan to rent it for all of 2026, we could refi into a DSCR loan? However, we would be losing our 2.25% interest rate and be moving to a 7.5% rate. BUT that $170,000 would give us the potential to buy a few more long-term multi-families.

I'm absolutely positive that there are things I'm not considering, but any help, opinions, and considerations would be appreciated! Thanks!

 @Lindsey Konchar I assume you plan on moving back into this house when you move back from Costa Rica? or, at least would like the option? I ask because if you did refi into a DSCR loan you would be signing all kinds of business purpose disclosures with being an affidavit that you would never occupy the property as a personal residence.

Post: How to do your first “not live in” deal

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Quote from @Nate Williams:

Hello! My name is Nate, and I’m on my 3rd deal as of now. However, we (wife and two kids) own this 3rd deal and want to keep it as our permanent home. We have lived in our other two deals, made money on both, but I have no idea how to do another deal safely without living in it. We have 40k in cash and 100k equity in our current residence, but we don’t want a larger house payment than what we have already. How do we stay in the real estate game while minimizing our risks?

 @Nate Williams   100k in equity is not typically enough to do much damage with as you typically have to (and want to) keep at least 20% equity in the house. So if the house is worth 300k and you owe 200k then most you could pull out would be 40k (minus costs) and it would be a second mortgage most likely which would be expensive. 7.5-9.5% likely.

But, you can put as little as 15% down for a conventional loan on a single family. So, that would allow you to buy 200-250k. of course, it is hard to find cash flowing properties with 15% down, but most assume you have to put down at least 20% which is not the case.  

Post: Renting out on BRRRR

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Quote from @Yinon Estikangi:

Hello fellow BP'ers! 

When refinancing, do you normally have a tenant in place before the appraisal, or refinance while the property is still vacant? I understand this may have an affect on the appraisal. In your experience, does one approach lead to better appraisals, loan terms, or overall outcomes? Would love to hear your insights!

 @Yinon Estikangi    The answer is it depends. Having a tenant will not effect the appraisal in anyway. As for financing, on a conventional loan if you do not need the rental income to qualify then you would not need to have the property rented but if you do need the rental income to qualify then you would.  

If you are going DSCR (which you should only do if you do not qualify for conventional) then there are hundreds of different programs. Some of those programs require that the property is leased while others do not. But, like everything in lending, when you "risk layer" the rate/terms are usually a little worse. What I mean by that is the programs that have a lease in place with DSCR over 1.00 you tend to get better overall rate/terms then if you do not have a lease in place or DSCR under 1.0.

Post: Big opportunity, currently low on cash reserves

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Quote from @Rick Zink:

I'm in a position I've never been in before.  Just closed on a couple of properties a week or so ago.  They were rehab properties so I purchased under a construction loan.  Took my reserves for down payments to a level that won't allow for another purchase at this time.

Given this, as luck would have it, an amazing opportunity that only comes once in a great while came to me.  I've never used hard money for anything before so I'm not sure that's an avenue for me.

Im hoping someone can maybe explain the ins and outs of this type of financing.  Risks/rewards, benefits/pitfalls of hard money to me...what are they?  I understand the overall concept of it but since this has never been an avenue I have used it's unfamiliar and foreign to me.

 @Rick Zink  "hard money/Private money" typically takes cash as well. So, as said above, it would be helpful to lay out the details. It impossible to lay out pro's and con's of something without the details.