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All Forum Posts by: Jay Hurst

Jay Hurst has started 7 posts and replied 1513 times.

Post: Help me use my equity to scale my portfolio

Jay Hurst
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Quote from @Fernando Martin-Gullans:

Hey y’all,

I'm a retail investor with 2 SFH rentals worth a combined ~$650k looking to utilize some of my stored equity to buy more out-of-state properties, but I'm not quite sure how best to proceed given that my interest rates are incredibly low (leaning me away from refinancing) and neither property is owner-occupied (which I believe prevents me from using a HELOC). Here's some context:

Property 1: >$100k in Equity

Value: $325k

Debt: $220k @ 2.88% (30-year fixed)

Property 2: >$70k in Equity

Value: $325k

Debt: $252k @ 3.38% (30-year fixed)

Extra considerations:

- I have $15-20k liquid to use for any of these deals

- My current job is relatively stable, but not high-payin

- Current properties in TX, living in NY, looking to invest in Mid-West (crazy, I know)

- No other debt obligations besides the two mortgages

Ultimate goal/timeline:

Though a bit ambitious, I’d love to build up the portfolio to 10-20 units in the next two years

I understand that any/all replies aren't financial advice; all ideas welcome for information purposes. 
Cheers, 
F. 


There is no law against getting a second lien either fixed or as a HELOC in Texas (as many believe), as we do them every day. However, your issue would be lack of equity. You generally have to leave 25% equity in an investment property. So, based on your numbers you could borrow up to 243,750 on property A, but owe 220k, so that would only be 23,750 in borrowable equity. Most min loans amounts are going to be 50-100k, so an issue there. Property B you already owe more then 75% loan to value before borrowing.

The common mistake here is that not ALL your equity is borrowable on a property and even more so on a investment property then an owner occupied property. 

Post: LLC Mortgage Under Partner Instead of Me

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Quote from @John Friendas:
Quote from @Jay Hurst:
Quote from @John Friendas:
Quote from @Jay Hurst:
Quote from @John Friendas:
Quote from @Patrick Roberts:

If you are on the note or personally guarantee the debt, then it will affect the liability side of DTI, regardless of whether the lender reports the loan on your personal credit. You will be asked to disclose this during the application process, and not doing so is concealing a debt and would be fraud. Depending on the loan product, you may be able to exclude business debt once the business has paid the debt directly for 12 months.

The income and losses related to the operation of the entity will affect the income side of your DTI (like Jay explained) if you own 25% or more of the entity. The distributions and allocations on your K1 will dictate what is attributed to you.


 What would be the best way to go about it then? I make about 70k a year from my salaried job and my friend makes double that. I'm trying to make it so I'm on the deed/title and not the mortgage.

I know the income side would be effected with the dti I was just wanting the debt side not to be. The net rental income should be about 65% more than the mortgage.


If the above is true, the income will offset the debt in the DTI calculation, so who cares?


 I would be thinking about future loans as I plan to do purchase another property soon after. Whereas he would be good with this for a while. What I'm aiming for are turnkey rentals and trying to max out the amount of conventional, lower interest loans.


again, the DTI income ratio will be IMPROVED if the property shows cash flow. Improved, not made worse. So, you are not at limiting your self when buying a new property. This is 100% the most misunderstood aspect of rental income.


I think I misunderstand DTI for rental incomes.

My DTI goes up with a cashflow positive rental ($2000 expense and $3,500 income). I used the 75% rule on the income and added it and my DTI without the rental goes from 24% to 38%.

Or does it just allow me to just take the net profit of that rental and add it to my rental?


Just using your numbers above, 75% of 3500 is 2625. That 2625 would completely offset the entire 2000 payment. In fact, you would get 625 of income over and above the 2000 payment. So, not only does your DTI not go up, but it would go DOWN.

Now, there is a little more to it then that if the property is on your tax returns but the math is still the same in how cash flowing properties HELP dti not hurt. 

Post: BRRR --San Antonio, TX-- investor

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Quote from @Azat Suleimenov:

Hello,

I'm starting my BRRR investments in San Antonio, TX market. I'm off-state investor, located in Bay Area, CA

Looking for Real Estate Agent, contractors, lenders connections.
Ping me!


 See the find a lender tab above under "build your investing team". 

Post: Use HELOC to buy, then refinance into mortgage?

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Quote from @Jordan Kaylor:

What is a “seasoning requirement”?  Thanks!

 @Jordan Kaylor @Jeanette Land    Seasoning requirement is a industry term for waiting period. For example, if you buy a home for 100k, and then improve the property and now it is worth 200k.  So, you say will I want to take some cash out using the 200k value but most programs will require you to wait some period of time from 3 months up to 12 months for conventional before you can use that 200k value to pull cash out.

This seasoning does NOT apply to delayed financing as I mentioned in my post above.  

Post: Rent out house and bleed for a while or sell it and hemorrhage once?

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Quote from @Ryan Mcpherson:

Moved to Austin for work and purchased a home in 2021 with just under 4% interest rate. Due to circumstances at the time I was able to put 0% down without PMI. Fast forwards to 2025 and I need to move again for work. Since purchasing the home, housing market in my area has declined about 20%. This puts the home underwater.

I've calculated the following two options:

  1. To sell the house, it would cost me about $60,000
    out of pocket.
  2. To rent the home, I would lose about $2,500 per month (based on comparable rents in my area, property management fees, etc).

Both options loose the same amount by roughly 2 years, and by this time, I still will not have built up much more equity in the home to make selling it a break even unless there is price appreciation by then.

My dilemma is this: I speculate that my home will not appreciate much in the next 3-5 years due to the rapid pace of development in the surrounding area.

In 5-10+ years, maybe, but by then I'll have bled $150,000 - $300,000.

I have thought about this a lot and feel that I mar'-too close to the problem to see the best solution.

Any constructive advice would be much appreciated.

 @Ryan Mcpherson 100% financing with no MI so I assume a VA mortgage? Is that corect?

Post: LLC Mortgage Under Partner Instead of Me

Jay Hurst
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Quote from @Patrick Roberts:
Quote from @Jay Hurst:
Quote from @Zach Edelman:

If you do a DSCR loan and vest it in an entity - you and your partner can both PG the note and it will report to neither of your credit reports, thus having no impact on your DTI!


 so, what happens when you go to get a full a doc loan and have to provide tax returns? 


 This again. Or what happens when you get asked on the URLA if you have any other undisclosed debts lol. "I'll just gloss over that. They wont find out."


It is so tiring. DSCR loans are great products for those who need them, and we originate them everyday. I just do not understand the need to add "benefits" to the programs that are just not real.

Post: LLC Mortgage Under Partner Instead of Me

Jay Hurst
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Quote from @John Friendas:
Quote from @Jay Hurst:
Quote from @John Friendas:
Quote from @Patrick Roberts:

If you are on the note or personally guarantee the debt, then it will affect the liability side of DTI, regardless of whether the lender reports the loan on your personal credit. You will be asked to disclose this during the application process, and not doing so is concealing a debt and would be fraud. Depending on the loan product, you may be able to exclude business debt once the business has paid the debt directly for 12 months.

The income and losses related to the operation of the entity will affect the income side of your DTI (like Jay explained) if you own 25% or more of the entity. The distributions and allocations on your K1 will dictate what is attributed to you.


 What would be the best way to go about it then? I make about 70k a year from my salaried job and my friend makes double that. I'm trying to make it so I'm on the deed/title and not the mortgage.

I know the income side would be effected with the dti I was just wanting the debt side not to be. The net rental income should be about 65% more than the mortgage.


If the above is true, the income will offset the debt in the DTI calculation, so who cares?


 I would be thinking about future loans as I plan to do purchase another property soon after. Whereas he would be good with this for a while. What I'm aiming for are turnkey rentals and trying to max out the amount of conventional, lower interest loans.


again, the DTI income ratio will be IMPROVED if the property shows cash flow. Improved, not made worse. So, you are not at limiting your self when buying a new property. This is 100% the most misunderstood aspect of rental income.

Post: LLC Mortgage Under Partner Instead of Me

Jay Hurst
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  • Dallas, TX
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Quote from @Zach Edelman:

If you do a DSCR loan and vest it in an entity - you and your partner can both PG the note and it will report to neither of your credit reports, thus having no impact on your DTI!


 so, what happens when you go to get a full a doc loan and have to provide tax returns? 

Post: LLC Mortgage Under Partner Instead of Me

Jay Hurst
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  • Dallas, TX
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Quote from @John Friendas:
Quote from @Patrick Roberts:

If you are on the note or personally guarantee the debt, then it will affect the liability side of DTI, regardless of whether the lender reports the loan on your personal credit. You will be asked to disclose this during the application process, and not doing so is concealing a debt and would be fraud. Depending on the loan product, you may be able to exclude business debt once the business has paid the debt directly for 12 months.

The income and losses related to the operation of the entity will affect the income side of your DTI (like Jay explained) if you own 25% or more of the entity. The distributions and allocations on your K1 will dictate what is attributed to you.


 What would be the best way to go about it then? I make about 70k a year from my salaried job and my friend makes double that. I'm trying to make it so I'm on the deed/title and not the mortgage.

I know the income side would be effected with the dti I was just wanting the debt side not to be. The net rental income should be about 65% more than the mortgage.


If the above is true, the income will offset the debt in the DTI calculation, so who cares?

Post: Section 8 properties

Jay Hurst
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Quote from @Jeffery Jones:

Hello, everyone!

I’m new to the community and I’m planning to start a Section 8 rental property business. I’d love to connect with experienced landlords and investors who can share advice on getting started, selecting properties, and navigating the Section 8 process. Any guidance or tips would be greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance for your support.


 My advice would be only to do this kind of investing in your market.  You need to understand where you are investing. There are kinds of guru's who will help you buy section 8 properties in a turnkey package including the rehab the property will need to get it rented. They will do a slap dash job on a house that still has a bad roof and foundation in a neighborhood that will see zero appreciation.  Understand what you are buying.