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All Forum Posts by: Jay Hurst

Jay Hurst has started 7 posts and replied 1568 times.

Post: What We Are Seeing In The Non Performing Loan Space

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Quote from @Jay Hurst:
Quote from @Chris Seveney:

Over the past few months, we've seen a noticeable uptick in non-performing loans hitting the market—particularly in the investor space.

DSCR and fix-and-flip loans are making up the bulk of this volume. We estimate nearly $200M/month of non-performing product is circulating across the platforms and networks we monitor. These are typically investor loans that were originated in the last 2–3 years and are now showing cracks, largely due to overleveraging, slowed market velocity, or project mismanagement.

On the owner-occupied side, we’re starting to see more inventory—but with a big caveat: many of these loans were originated during the COVID years at 3–4% interest rates. These borrowers aren’t always far enough behind to justify a meaningful discount, and the low rates can present a risk profile that doesn’t pencil out especially assuming they will file BK which many have done. 

What are you seeing out there?

Are you noticing more non-performers hitting your desk? And with today’s economic backdrop—high consumer debt, inflationary pressures, and tighter credit—do you expect volume to keep climbing?

Would love to hear others’ perspectives.

Some DSCR products are becoming just flat out sub prime loans with better LTV's (for now anyway). They used to only be for experienced investors, with pretty good credit, with ample reserves, 75% LTV and ratio over 1.00, but preferably over 1.15. Anyone who has ever managed real estate knows that 1.0 DSCR is not breaking even, pretty far from it.) from it, so reserves, that is cash in the bank matters (and experience does not hurt) a great deal. But, there are programs that will allow a first time investor (who might not even have a primary home) to borrow at 80% loan to value with a 2 months of reserves on the SUBJECT property with say .80 DSCR. They are coming out of pocket every month to make the payment BEFORE the AC breaks. Before the roof leaks etc. and they can have 5000 in the bank after closing. and oh by the way, they have four more properties with the same .80 ratio that they used the same 5k as reserves.

Every investment banker I talk to tells me how hot DSCR loans are right now and everyone wants a piece, so the bid for these deals is juicy. If I had been savvy enough in 2006 to to be talking to Investment bankers would that have sounded much different then? This is a MUCH smaller slice of mortgages then true subprime so much different systematical risk then back then but it will still end poorly for a lot of the borrowers and for the end buyers of the debt.

And, I will add, it will not end well for those originators who only understand, and in most cases not licensed to sell anything but DSCR.


Oh, to add one more thing: Most of these loans have 3-5 year pre-payment penalties up to 5%. No big deal, you get a .375% lower rate to get your DSCR to .80 instead of .78 to get the deal done. now, prices drop, tenant tears up the house, no money to fix, oh crap have to sell but more or less under water even after putting down 20% due to closing costs and PPP that I was told was no big deal. Poof. It all evaporates.

Post: What We Are Seeing In The Non Performing Loan Space

Jay Hurst
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  • Dallas, TX
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Quote from @Chris Seveney:

Over the past few months, we've seen a noticeable uptick in non-performing loans hitting the market—particularly in the investor space.

DSCR and fix-and-flip loans are making up the bulk of this volume. We estimate nearly $200M/month of non-performing product is circulating across the platforms and networks we monitor. These are typically investor loans that were originated in the last 2–3 years and are now showing cracks, largely due to overleveraging, slowed market velocity, or project mismanagement.

On the owner-occupied side, we’re starting to see more inventory—but with a big caveat: many of these loans were originated during the COVID years at 3–4% interest rates. These borrowers aren’t always far enough behind to justify a meaningful discount, and the low rates can present a risk profile that doesn’t pencil out especially assuming they will file BK which many have done. 

What are you seeing out there?

Are you noticing more non-performers hitting your desk? And with today’s economic backdrop—high consumer debt, inflationary pressures, and tighter credit—do you expect volume to keep climbing?

Would love to hear others’ perspectives.

Some DSCR products are becoming just flat out sub prime loans with better LTV's (for now anyway). They used to only be for experienced investors, with pretty good credit, with ample reserves, 75% LTV and ratio over 1.00, but preferably over 1.15. Anyone who has ever managed real estate knows that 1.0 DSCR is not breaking even, pretty far from it.) from it, so reserves, that is cash in the bank matters (and experience does not hurt) a great deal. But, there are programs that will allow a first time investor (who might not even have a primary home) to borrow at 80% loan to value with a 2 months of reserves on the SUBJECT property with say .80 DSCR. They are coming out of pocket every month to make the payment BEFORE the AC breaks. Before the roof leaks etc. and they can have 5000 in the bank after closing. and oh by the way, they have four more properties with the same .80 ratio that they used the same 5k as reserves.

Every investment banker I talk to tells me how hot DSCR loans are right now and everyone wants a piece, so the bid for these deals is juicy. If I had been savvy enough in 2006 to to be talking to Investment bankers would that have sounded much different then? This is a MUCH smaller slice of mortgages then true subprime so much different systematical risk then back then but it will still end poorly for a lot of the borrowers and for the end buyers of the debt.

And, I will add, it will not end well for those originators who only understand, and in most cases not licensed to sell anything but DSCR.

Post: HELOC (80-85% LTV) Single Family Home Investment

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Quote from @Cassidy Burns:

Hey BP,

I"m looking for an investment product for a HELOC for a Charleston, SC single family home. What lenders do you know that have 80-85% LTV HELOC on SFH investment properties?

Thanks in advance. 


I can go to 80% LTV on an investment HELOC but I do not lend in SC. But, it does exist. But, my HELOC's are full doc, not DSCR.

Post: Lender Points too high?

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Quote from @Calvin Thomas:
Quote from @Patrick Roberts:
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Quote from @Katie Smith:

Hi Josiah! Is there a reason you're taking your investment property to a conventional loan? Wouldn't you prefer to put your investments in an LLC for further protection?

You can do a conventional loan and transfer to an LLC after closing on an investment property.

 Only if the lender allows this, if not, it can trigger a due on sale clause.


 If it’s a Fannie, Freddie or FHLB loan it is allowed by those agencies

You are mistaken.  We have several that are backed by the feds, and they are not allowed to be transferred without approval.  Non-small balance loans.


Conventional loans allow properties to be transferred to an LLC after the loan has funded if certain requirements are met. The borrower must remain on the note and mortgage, but the Title can be transferred to an LLC, LP, or certain trusts so long as the majority owner/controller of the entity is the borrower. Conventional does not allow entities to be the borrower, so you cannot fund a new loan while the entity holds Title. That being said, I remember this only applying to loans made after 2016 or something like that.

Govt loans (FHA, VA, USDA, loans that are modded/distressed where the govt has an interest) cannot.


 Again, this depends on the loan.  But what do I know.  I've only been doing this 40+ years.


https://servicing-guide.fanniemae.com/svc/d1-4.1-02/allowabl...

Post: ADU versus duplex conversion

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Quote from @Thuan Nguyen:

I am purchasing a SFH with an attached garage and a detached garage. I have the option to either convert the two garages into two ADUs or converting a SFH into a duplex with a detached ADU. Which of the two options will add more value to the property? Any suggestion?


From a financing perspective, both for you if you want to refi and when you go to sell the property, a duplex with one ADU is acceptable to Freddie Mac. A single family with two ADU's is NOT acceptable to either Fannie or Freddie making the property that much harder to sell.

Post: Can lender refuse escrow removal when there is no reason for it?

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Quote from @Turgut Oz:

I have a conventional 30 yr mortgage for 3 years. I have always paid on time and recently canceled PMI so there is no PMI right now. I have a LTV <0.8. The lender said the investor (in my loan) has refused to remove my escrow account. But, there is no reason why lender insists on that when I have above parameters. The lender does not provide any reason as to why lender refuses it or what factor prevents them from doing so. I am in TX. I wrote a complaint on CFPB. What are my options?


 The servicer is not required by any law to remove an escrow account that has already been set up. As Chris points out, it is to their advantage for you to have an escrow account for both the reason he points out but also a higher servicing fee from Fannie/Freddie in a high tax/insurance state like Texas.  Some servicers will do it, some for free, some for a fee, but they are not required to do it.

Post: Lender Points too high?

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Quote from @Josiah Guyer:

Hey all, I have not closed a conventional mortgage for investment purposes before. I currently have a deal under contract and am working with a lender. I used this lender before for my personal residence and was pleased with them but currently they are wanting to charge me 7K in fees on top of closing costs. I have a duplex under contract for 215K, 25% down (54k), closing is 7K, and lender points and fees are 7k for a total of $68,000. Interest rate is around 7.125%.

Do these fees seem unusually high or am I just out of touch with current lending costs? Any thoughts appreciated.

Thanks

 @Josiah Guyer   You are paying "discount" points to get to the 7.125% rate. The discount points are essentially paying for the loan level pricing adjustments (LLPA) on your loan. The exact LLPA on your deal would depend on your credit score, but just assuming a 740 the LLPA's on a non-owner occupied 2 unit property with 25% down with 740 credit score would be .375% for purchase at 740, 2.125% for  investment property and .375% for a 2 unit.  So, that is 2.875% LLPA.  Here is the matrix:  https://singlefamily.fanniemae.com/media/9391/display

so, your rate and costs in your scenario are always going to sound high relative to an owner occupied property because of the LLPA's.  But, that all being said 14k in costs do seem quite high (assuming good credit anyway).   You should shop around understanding that rates and costs ARE related.  You can always pay less up front in return for less costs etc. 

Post: Condor Finance LLC Legitimate

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Quote from @Karl Venescar:

Thank you, Jay. Lender-Paid Mortgage Insurance.


 scam. 

Post: How risky to pay $40,000 to bring loan current to assume low interest VA loan

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Quote from @Michael W. McCord:

Hi, I have a nice house in Richardson TX under contract and when I contacted lender to assume the VA loan, I found out that the seller is behind about $40k on the loan and needs to be brought current before the assumption process can begin. It's a great deal for a $477k loan at 2.3% interest and house is in good shape and contracted price is $625k. Seller cannot come up with money to bring loan current and owes $506k. They found a hard money lender but he is charging an insane $150 per day to lend that $40k which would rack up $10-15k interest during the 45-60 day VA assumption process. My question is how risky is it for me to pay the $40k to bring loan current before closing and how can I mitigate risk? Was thinking I could do a title search on property to find any other liens that would be senior to mine. There isn't much equity the seller has in the house so seems risky to put a 2nd lien on the house. Are there any other gotchas or pitfalls I should be aware of? Would really like to score this house but seems fraught with risk.


 You say that the contract price is 625k, and the seller owes 506k with arrears. But, then you also say that there not much equity in the house. if you are contracted at 625k assuming that is at or below market value there is nearly 20% equity. what I am missing?  is the 625k above market value? 

Post: Best place in Texas for rental cash flow

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Quote from @Larry Davis:

Where would a smart investor go in Texas to invest in rental properties for overall best cash flow? Buying fixers for cash/fix/rent.

Larry

If there was a "best" place, it would no longer be the best place by the time you found out about it. That is what the market does. If rents vs cost are out of whack either on the high or low side they correct.  Any market has properties that have good price to rent ratios, and properties that have bad price to rent. Even high priced markets.