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All Forum Posts by: Jay Hurst

Jay Hurst has started 7 posts and replied 1514 times.

Post: Trying to Break Even by Leveraging Equity

Jay Hurst
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Quote from @Parker Bullard:

I'm looking to purchase my first investment property and need help figuring out a strategy that will work for me. I have about $300k in equity (based on a BPO performed in July 2023) but no cash. Whatever I do, I would need to do with a HELOC—effectively financing 100% of the property (down payment and closing financed with HELOC, rest of purchase financed with a mortgage).

But I'm having trouble finding any properties that I could rent, BRRRR, or flip where I would even break even—let alone clear a profit or cash flow.

My question is: When you hear that I'm essentially doing 100% financing, does that make it clear to anyone what strategy would be best? Does that make anyone think, "If you're not bringing any capital to the table then you probably want to avoid this strategy or you probably want to go with this kind of investment"?


Understand cash flow lower then say 500 bucks a month is a myth anyway. Your AC goes out, boom your year of cash flow evaporates. The tenant does what tenant's do, and your make ready for the next tenant wipes out your yearly cash flow.  Point being if you are leveraged to the hilt with no cash how are you going to make those required repairs etc?  

Post: Go big or go home! 🤔

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Quote from @Joe S.:

Today my thought was it is possible to grow too fast.  

It is possible to buy too many too fast and put yourself in a financial hardship.

Have you ever heard of a startup store that done real good and added another store that done good? The excitement then went through the roof and the owner wanted to do three or four at the same time and the next thing you know the whole ship went down in bankrupt.

Just something to think about.


 One of the biggest red flags I have as a lender (who lends my own money as well as secondary market loan) is when a rookie tells me there goal is to buy 10, 20, whatever properties in the next year. my next question is how many do you own currently? that answer is almost always zero.  You have to crawl before you walk. Lets get the first 1 or 2 done before we plan for 25.  Dollars to donuts most those guys never end up buying even that first one.

Post: Lender to offer low financing for new construction builds?

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Quote from @Connor Williams:

Thanks for the confirmation everyone. Definitely what I was thinking and sounds like it can be done. 5.25-% rate on a 1.2$ house is definitely more appealing and opens doors up as opposed to 6.7+ rates. 


 Sure, it can be done. But, understand the cost involved. Assuming your buyer has good credit, putting 20% down etc buying down to 5.25% today would cost 4-4.5 points, so 800k loan that would be 32k-40k from someone, and if you are offering that buy down that someone would be you. 

Post: Lender to offer low financing for new construction builds?

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Quote from @Connor Williams:

I saw another builder local to me offering 4.99% financing. 
my question is how or who can offer financing like this on houses I build ? I am guessing there is either a preferred or in house lender with large amounts of credit to get to this? 

I want to learn more. 4.99% for buyers is a game changer selling 6 new construction houses 


 You just buy down the rate for the buyer. The cost to do this just comes out of the total profit margin. 

Post: Unexpected Rate Increase on BRRRR Loan – Is This Normal?

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Quote from @Ryan Dunn:

Hi,

I have two BRRRR loans with Fixated Funding, both starting and closing on the same day. One loan was locked at 6.9%, the other at 7.1%. However, I just received the closing docs, and the rate on the 6.9% loan has been increased to 7.8%. I wasn't notified about this change until I saw it myself.

When I asked why, they said the home inspection found some issues that were fixed and re-inspected, but I’m confused why this would result in a rate increase. Also, Fixated moved my closing date a few times, but luckily I didn’t have another deal at risk.

Does this sound typical? I’m mainly concerned about the rate change happening without prior notice, especially since both loans started and are closing on the same day.

I’m scheduled to sign tomorrow and close on Friday. Any advice would be appreciated!

Thanks!


 A home inspection would not have anything to do with a rate or a refinance for that matter.  Maybe you mean appraisal?  If the appraisal came in lower then what was being using originally that could effect the rate/terms. Should have been discussed of course. 

Post: DSCR loan for an LLC multiple members. Does the lender look at all credit scores?

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Quote from @Michael Nguyen:

New to this community, heard great things. New investor looking to learn a lot. Thank you in advance. 

As I mentioned I'm a new investor. I am creating an llc with a couple friends as we go into this new endeavor. My questions is. When getting a DSCR loan whose credit score is the lender going to use? Will they require all members or just one?


There are hundreds of DSCR program out there. Some will require to use the lowest credit score while others will just require the majority owner or use the highest if all equal. It just depends on the program. But, understand they will all have slightly different pricing as well, and when you "layer risk" rates/terms go up.

Post: Does paying off a mortgage early affect future loans?

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Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @Patrick Roberts:

In short, no. The vast majority of "regular" or traditional (Conv/Govt) mortgages are originated by specialty lenders and brokers and are sold in the secondary market to provide yield on bank balance sheets (think Chase or BoA) or to be securitized into MBS. The investors in the secondary market have a very good grip on the prepayment risk associated with a drop in mortgage rates and use pricing or yield to offset this, which is why you so often hear of borrowers paying points and lender fees. None of these originators are allowed to assess you as a higher risk because you paid off a mortgage early. 

That being said, most originators are hit with a clawback penalty if you payoff your loan within 6-9 months, meaning that the originator has to repay all commissions and fees to the buyer of the loan if you payoff the loan within that period. I mention this because if you're working with a lender or broker and tell them up front that you intend to payoff your loan in a few months, they probably arent going to waste time on you because they dont want to work for free. They arent really allowed to turn you away, but they will push you away with terrible loan pricing and intentionally bad service. 

Investment mortgages, like DSCR loans for investment properties, typically come with prepayment penalties (PPP) to protect against prepayment risk and the keep portfolio CPR in line. Three years is the standard PPP, but 0-5 year options are usually available. If you elect a PPP shorter than 2-3 years in most cases, the lender is simply going to collect that fee A) upfront as points rather than as a PPP, or B) with yield, meaning a much higher rate.


EXCELLENT response to the question.  AS a PML / JV partner I welcome pre pays :)

 Agreed!  Short term lenders balance sheet lenders like myself love pre-pays as most of our profit is in fees, so the quicker we can get the money back the better to relend the same funds. 

Post: House appraised for more than expected- should I change my strategy?

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Quote from @Katie Camargo:

@Nicholas L. and @Jay Hurst - thank you both! I'm planning on putting 25% down because that is a requirement of the loan. It's a 2-unit house, if that matters at all. Does that help? 

 @Katie Camargo   What we do as a lender on these type of deals is what we can an "as-is 2 step". We would lend 75% of the as-is appraisal on step 1 which is a short term bridge loan. So, in your case, that would be 75% of the 407k which would be 305,250.  Assuming a 340k purchase price that would be 34,750 out of pocket.   Then we turn around and refinance into a 30 year fixed on step 2.  So, this cost a bit more in closing costs BUT your are out 34,750 plus closing costs instead of putting down 25% of the 340k which 85k plus closing costs. 

Post: House appraised for more than expected- should I change my strategy?

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Quote from @Katie Camargo:

Looking for advice as I am a relatively new investor: I found a house with positive LTR cash flow projections and negotiated the seller to under-asking ($340k). Our plan was to use a DSCR loan to finance (25% LTV). I just received the appraisal back and the house appraised for much higher than even I expected ($407k). For those of you that are more experienced in this space, would you change your financing approach based on this new information? Appreciate the advice!

 @Katie Camargo I just want to clarify, when you say your plan was to finance with DSCR at 25% LTV. Do you mean you were only going to finance 25% of the purchase price of 340k, so 85,000? or, you were going to put down 25% and finance 75%?

Post: First time out of state investor, looking in the Alabama market

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Quote from @Kyle Collins:
Quote from @Nicholas L.:

@Kyle Collins

hello. are you able and willing to travel to AL to build a network, look at properties, and get a team set up?  if you are, great.  if not, i'd stay local.  the market is unforgiving right now, and if you buy a random property by looking on Zillow and turn it over to people you don't know to manage, you'll lose money.

with respect to your specific question, if the property is safe, clean, and priced correctly, it will rent. but that doesn't mean you'll make money on it.


 Absolutely! Im currently in the process of building the team and I'm getting ready to make several trips to the area. Thank you for the advice its greatly appreciated! 


This is VERY important. There are "turn key section 8" operators in Alabama that market to do all of the due diligence for you and you never even have to see the properties! What a deal! Until you spend 20k on paint and some new kitchen appliances, but the roof and foundation are still shot and the 100k ARV is more like 70k in reality. If you are not willing to travel to place and understand the market you are investing you should not be investing there just because it is cheaper then your local market. Sounds like you are so it can work.