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All Forum Posts by: DAVID GAGE

DAVID GAGE has started 16 posts and replied 67 times.

Post: How do Banks feel about LLC's

DAVID GAGEPosted
  • Handyman
  • THUMB, MI
  • Posts 72
  • Votes 14

I have 4 SFH's, 3 are paid for. I purchased 3 within the last year and would really like to buy more. If I choose to do so I will need some help from a lender. I haven't put any of my houses in an LLC yet. I do have a $1M umbrella policy. The reason I haven't put any houses in the LLC yet is that I've heard that banks really frown on lending to LLC's so I'm guess I'm wondering what I should do. I've also heard that I must own the properties for a year before they will loan against it? Should I put the properties in the LLC or wait till after I get a loan? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Daniel,
Your plan was a lot like mine, but i changed my tune on borrowing from the banks once I figured out how much faster I could grow with their money. Plus if I had waited the 5 to 7 years that it was going to take to reach 4 houses then the prices would have surely been up closer to were they were 2 years ago. Being able to buy at a 50% discount definitely out ways 7% interest rate from the bank. I don't know if the homes in your area are cheap right now or not but if they are you might want to consider using a little leverage in your favor. I agree with JScott you could really increase the speed that you grow with some help. I think the hardest part is getting to 4 houses, once you get there the snowball effect will really pick up steam. Obviously you will not want to be over leveraged but a little isn't a horrible thing either.
I even did the unthinkable and cashed in a small pension i had and paid a huge penalty on it and I can smile about it because I know I made that money back the day i inked the deal on one of my houses, now if i could just get my hands on my 401k funds. LOL.......These are crazy times and sometimes you need to think outside the box.

Post: Should I take a cash out from all paid property

DAVID GAGEPosted
  • Handyman
  • THUMB, MI
  • Posts 72
  • Votes 14

I would use as little of your own cash as you can. Banks in my area are being really tight right now so if you can make the numbers work I would re-fi.... IMO

Post: Umbrella policy Vs. LLC or both

DAVID GAGEPosted
  • Handyman
  • THUMB, MI
  • Posts 72
  • Votes 14
Originally posted by Financexaminer:
Hi Jesse, thanks Charles, it was on the tip of the ol'toung. A Series LLC is like having a series of LLCs within one entity. Liability does not attach to other properties held and remains "attached" to the subject property or business concerns connected with the issue or cause of the action. It's great for having several "owners" as members and keeping their property seperate! I can see that this will be a big deal, especially in financing and JV deals. It is available in Texas, hope it comes to Mo.


Man i really need to figure out how to quote multiple people in one post :oops: Does anyone know if Michigan offers the series LLC's ?

Post: Umbrella policy Vs. LLC or both

DAVID GAGEPosted
  • Handyman
  • THUMB, MI
  • Posts 72
  • Votes 14
Originally posted by Kevin Kaczmarek:
David,

I would contact Cambridge Underwriters in Livonia. I recommend talking to Ken Hale and his team on asset protection. They deliver a free assessment of your business, and have clients like Kid Rock, Joe Dumars, Dave Bing, and Dan Gilbert. They understand liability protection like no other.


Thanks Kevin for the info. Much appreciated.

Post: Umbrella policy Vs. LLC or both

DAVID GAGEPosted
  • Handyman
  • THUMB, MI
  • Posts 72
  • Votes 14
Originally posted by Bryan Hancock:
You should have both as has been stated.

You should also transfer your bank-financed property to the LLC now. The bank isn't going to call the note and you don't want it in your name personally.


I was wondering if i could do that. I think i will have to try it.

Post: Umbrella policy Vs. LLC or both

DAVID GAGEPosted
  • Handyman
  • THUMB, MI
  • Posts 72
  • Votes 14

Not sure this is the right place for this post but here it is anyways. I now have 4 SFH that i rent out and feel like its time to start thinking about some liability protection. I've started an LLC but still carry the homes in my name because the bank wouldn't loan me money otherwise. I do own 3 outright so i could move them to the LLC. Well after talking to a couple REI that i know and they said they don't have their homes in a LLC and they just carry a Million dollar Umbrella policy.
So what does everyone think. What are you using? One the other or both? Thanks for the help.

I've started using the application off of BP because its so complete and thorough. Since I've been using it I have handed out a dozen or so and have only had one person fill out the entire app. . One lady was even appalled at the idea of giving me her bank account info. I live in a very rural area so i think its small town thinking that has everyone thinking that I'm being to strict. I DON'T plan on changing the app. . If they don't like the way i do business then I don't want them in my rental. That being said I was just wondering if anybody else has this type of problem. I'm having a hard time finding the perfect renters. Starting to wonder if they even exist.

Post: Blue Collar man trying to kick the daily grind

DAVID GAGEPosted
  • Handyman
  • THUMB, MI
  • Posts 72
  • Votes 14
Originally posted by Mark Yuschak:
Welcome from Grand Blanc!

Where are you properties located?

I've been snatching up some really great deals as of late too in the Flint-metro area (mostly rehabs, but also some rentals here and there). I don't think that we're out of the woods yet with the poor economy in Michigan - instead, it seems that the newbie investors and out-of-towners are artificially inflating the housing prices. If the core buyers in the market were the same as we had two years ago, you wouldn't see the incline in prices. They'd still be low.

As a fellow broker/investor, I can say that some of my best deals I came across were due to me being agent. Had I not been an agent, I would have never seen the deals. Your wife having her license is a great way to gain access to the MLS, and to be one of the first to get your offers submitted.

Best of luck in your investing goals!


Hi Mark, Most of my properties are in the Marlette area. I've looked in Lapeer but they don't seem real landlord friendly to me. When i said the economy was on its way back i meant from a manufacturing view point. I work at a steel manufacturing facility in Warren and we've doubled production since this time last year. Michigan was the first to be hit and i believe we will be the first to see the rebound start to come but it will take longer than most states to fully recover here. we have seen a little inflation in the housing market up here but i assumed it was first time buyers trying to get the tax credit. We shall see in the next couple months. I did hit my goal of buying 3 houses this year. Just had my offer accepted on my third house on Thursday, now if i can have them all rented in the next couple months i might try for a forth :mrgreen: Starting to become addicted to REI. Building wealth is way to much fun!

Post: Michigan Family to Exit the Rat Race

DAVID GAGEPosted
  • Handyman
  • THUMB, MI
  • Posts 72
  • Votes 14

Hello fellow Michiganders,

Congratulations on seeing the light about working a JOB. Me and my family are just starting our REI careers as well, Its a nice change of pace. We haven't left our full time JOBS yet but hope to in 5 years as well. Finally something to be excited about again. Theres not been much here in Michigan to be excited about lately. But freedom is our goal. Good Luck to you and your family.