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All Forum Posts by: Seth Borman

Seth Borman has started 5 posts and replied 545 times.

Post: Rehabbing a Rental Unit in LA/Long Beach- Contractor question

Seth BormanPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 553
  • Votes 314

I'll send you a message with a guy's contact info in a minute, but expect to spend somewhere between $50,000 and $80,000 for a gut remodel depending on HVAC and moving walls. You will need a permit for this sort of work. You can pull the permit yourself and use an unlicensed contractor but that is a risky game. A licensed contractor with worker's comp, liability insurance and a $15,000 bond is a better bet.

Post: California Draconian Rent Control and Property Tax Inc Nov Ballot

Seth BormanPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 553
  • Votes 314
Originally posted by @Ryan Avila:

You are 100% correct there are absolutely not many small businesses that own $3M in commercial property, actually there are not many small business own any commercial real estate period. That's the point! When operating cost goes up for the landlord that increase in cost is passed onto the tenants. It's basic microeconomics... this group includes every small business in the state that rents their building, which is the overwhelming majority of business, not just NNN and under market value tenants.

Ok now this one, “Keep in mind that market rates are set on the margins by new transactions that typically don't benefit from Prop 13.  

Uhhh... Market rates are not set by new transactions... Market rates for commercial leases are set by the average price per square foot of comparable commercial leases in that area. If the operating expense goes up for all the commercial buildings in an area and those increased cost are passed onto commercial tenants in the form of increased rent, then the market rate for that whole area including all small business in that area goes up as well. Again basic microeconomics. 

Ok now for this gem, “Again, it won't increase costs for "all" small businesses, since outside of a NNN lease property taxes are paid by owners. You can examine the counterfactual. If property taxes were abolished, would you decrease your tenants rents?“ 

This is a completely nonsensical argument. Taxes are not being abolished they are being increased, leading to an increase in operating expense, which in turn leads to higher market rents. Again, basic microeconomics. When cost of goods sold goes up, i.e. operating expenses for landlords, the end price for consumers goes up as well. This is basic business math and business owners that do not understand this will not be in business for very long

One last thing, it’s pretty evident that you do not quite understand what a small business really is, as you keep referring to small businesses as “mom and pop”. The generally accepted definition of a small business is a firm with less then 500 employees and depending on the industry somewhere between $750,000 to $38.5m in annual revenue. Small businesses account for 99.7% of ALL businesses in the country and employ around 49.2% of ALL private sector employees. Does that sound like mom and pop to you? I think not. Small business are the backbone of the US economy and Prop 15 will impact ALL small businesses in California.

Look, it's apparent to me that you don't understand what we are talking about here. A tenant on a gross lease doesn't pay the property taxes. They just don't.

Second, I don't think that we are going to see, simultaneously, massively increased rents and higher vacancies. You might see one or the other, but not both, because higher vacancy means lower rent.

Third, you don't get to price stuff based on what it cost you. That's just not how it works.

Fourth, the point of the counterfactual is that rents won't go down if taxes do. That's because rents aren't based on costs.

Fifth, I have faith that small business can weather the storm... but more to the point, I don't think it's fair or even desirable to give 50 year old firms a competitive advantage over new entrants. Why should one vineyard pay 1/20th the taxes of a new vineyard down the street?

Post: California Draconian Rent Control and Property Tax Inc Nov Ballot

Seth BormanPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 553
  • Votes 314
Originally posted by @Ryan Avila:

The liberals want you to believe that this only effects large corporations like Disney, and obviously they have pulled the wool over some peoples eyes. Please tell me how many commercial buildings in California have a value less than $3 million?

This prop will increase cost to all small businesses in the state. If you believe any different I would suggest a basic microeconomics class.

 My point is that for every established business that gets a sizable Prop 13 tax break there is another that doesn't get it at all, and yet another whose landlord gets the tax break but considers the savings profit rather than something to be passed on.

There are only two types of tenants that will suffer from Prop 15. NNN tenants with multi year leases, and tenants under market rate who are about to see increases to market rate.

Keep in mind that market rates are set on the margins by new transactions that typically don't benefit from Prop 13.

Howard Jarvis promised 42 years ago that Prop 13 would keep rents down. That was a lie then and it is a lie now.

You can argue that there are a lot of mom and pop operations out there with over $3M in commercial properties. I don't think there are that many. 

Again, it won't increase costs for "all" small businesses, since outside of a NNN lease property taxes are paid by owners. You can examine the counterfactual. If property taxes were abolished, would you decrease your tenants rents?

Also, the increase in taxes on vacant and underutilized land should be good for housing production.

Post: Electric wall heaters

Seth BormanPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 553
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If you want to use electric for heat the best way is a heat pump. New models work in most climates. 

Post: California Draconian Rent Control and Property Tax Inc Nov Ballot

Seth BormanPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 553
  • Votes 314
Originally posted by @Ryan Avila:
Originally posted by @Seth Borman:
Originally posted by @Ryan Avila:

How anyone can think prop 15 is a good idea for California is mind boggling. When property taxes on commercial property go up, do the think commercial landlords are just going to say oh well and eat that expense? No way! That expense will be passed onto tenants (businesses) in the form of rent increases. Remember there is not rent control for commercial building. These are businesses that are barely getting by as it is. When their rent goes up due to prop 15, business owners will have only one option, shut the doors and go out of business. This will be another blow to the CA business environment. With big businesses already leaving do to the hostile nature of doing business in this state, now throw the closure of thousands of small businesses. What do you think this will do to the business tax base in CA, then where will they look next? 

The politicians in this state believe they can just spend and spend and spend. At some point that’s simple not sustainable. I don’t know what the next 10 years will look like but it’s not looking good. Actually everyday, Idaho sounds better and better to me. 

 Rents can't go above market rate. How could they?

Uhh... market economics! The cost of business goes up for the landlords, which is passed down to the tenants in increased rents, if the rent isn’t sustainable for the tenant they go out of business or passed the increase down to the consumer in higher cost of goods/services. 

This is exactly what is happening in downtown Napa currently, please explain to me how most businesses can absorb a 70% increase in rent without changing their business model?

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Not how it works. Obviously people are still building and renting buildings despite the fact that Prop 13 creates vastly different property tax rates depending on how long the current taxpayer has owned the building.

The biggest beneficiaries of Prop 13 aren't tiny landlords, they are large corporations like Disney.

But more to the point, if landlords thought that price stability for small business was their concern then they would support rent control for tenants and not for owners.

Post: California Draconian Rent Control and Property Tax Inc Nov Ballot

Seth BormanPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 553
  • Votes 314
Originally posted by @Ryan Avila:

How anyone can think prop 15 is a good idea for California is mind boggling. When property taxes on commercial property go up, do the think commercial landlords are just going to say oh well and eat that expense? No way! That expense will be passed onto tenants (businesses) in the form of rent increases. Remember there is not rent control for commercial building. These are businesses that are barely getting by as it is. When their rent goes up due to prop 15, business owners will have only one option, shut the doors and go out of business. This will be another blow to the CA business environment. With big businesses already leaving do to the hostile nature of doing business in this state, now throw the closure of thousands of small businesses. What do you think this will do to the business tax base in CA, then where will they look next? 

The politicians in this state believe they can just spend and spend and spend. At some point that’s simple not sustainable. I don’t know what the next 10 years will look like but it’s not looking good. Actually everyday, Idaho sounds better and better to me. 

 Rents can't go above market rate. How could they?

Post: Bidens plan to retro fit millions of properties

Seth BormanPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 553
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The easier solution is for municipalities to upzone and build new buildings to code. This will be especially effective in places that don't allow gas for new construction.

Energy retrofits on rental housing is largely a waste of time, particularly in markets where more housing is desperately needed.

Post: Replacing Lath & Plaster?

Seth BormanPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Phoenix, AZ
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Off the top of my head, using Los Angeles prices, the cost to insulate and install new drywall is around $5/SF or $8,000 for a 1600 SF house. The savings on MEP is probably around 10-20% because it is much easier for them to do their work. In my market, that is $3,500 to $7,000 in savings. Door trim is like $150 per opening. Plus my main contractor refuses to patch drywall. He'd rather replace.

On my most recent project I bought a newer house that didn't need to be gutted, and I had to run some wire. The guys doing the drywall repair couldn't match the existing texture and now the house has a bunch of areas where you can see that the drywall was patched. 

For those of you suggesting 1/4" drywall, why not use 1/2" or 5/8" drywall and no lath and plaster? Same amount of taping, mudding and sanding.

Post: Replacing Lath & Plaster?

Seth BormanPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 553
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If you've budgeted for replacing the electrical and plumbing then it is generally easier to gut the unit, do the MEP work, insulate and button it back up with drywall. The drywall actually isn't that expensive and most contractors prefer to replace the lath and plaster rather than try to patch it.

Post: Beginner - Net Zero Quadplex New Construction

Seth BormanPosted
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  • Phoenix, AZ
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Having installed ICF I can tell you that there is a learning curve, and you don't want to have to pay for someone else's learning curve. Especially on your first project.

It is entirely possible to make a net zero building using lumber framing. You might need to go for 2x6 construction with advanced framing details and exterior insulation... but it can be done.

You need to give your unit mix some more thought. I've never seen a 2/2.5 in the wild for a rental. Only condos. Why? Bathrooms are the second most expensive rooms in the house, and you are talking about having a lot of them. I would recommend a more conventional 2/2 layout.



You'll need to focus on best practices to get your electrical consumption down. I would start by looking at ducted mini splits, heat pump water heaters and induction cooktops.