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All Forum Posts by: Sean McKee

Sean McKee has started 27 posts and replied 218 times.

Post: Applicants with varying credit scores

Sean McKeePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 218
  • Votes 153
Quote from @Yannie Gold:

I require my tenants to have a minimum credit score of 680. A group of four are applying together for my 4 bdrm property. They are an engaged couple, the guy’s mother, and the woman’s brother. I was told that out of the four adults, two have credit scores above 700, one has 650, another has 600. Their combined income does exceed 3x the rent. But none qualifies with just one person’s income. I haven’t run the credit checks yet because I normally would simply reject when I was informed the required credit scores weren’t met.

Assuming what they told me about their credit scores is true, would you rent to them? I‘m also concerned that the boyfriend and girlfriend may break up and one moves out. My contract does specify that everyone on the lease is responsible for paying the entire rent. But it still created trouble in the past when some tenants wanted to leave earlier due to a deteriorating relationship.  

I would say some of this would depend on the market. My class C rentals this is a common scenario and I have this situation frequently. My nicer units I might be more hesitant on the situation, especially if I know I could get occupants that all met the criteria.

I’ve had multiple relationships end and someone moves off. I let whoever moves off know they are still fully responsible for the terms of the lease. I credit report and have yet had a major issue.

Post: Tenant wants me to accept deposit as last months rent

Sean McKeePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 218
  • Votes 153
Quote from @Dan Miles:

Hi Everyone!  I have a dilemma with a tenant.  I am not signing a new lease with her.  Nothing was done because she’s a horrible tenant, it’s just a personal issue that requires me possessing the property.  I have given 3 months notice ahead of her lease ending that we would not be signing again.  She is stating she can be out one month earlier than lease ending (which I’m fine with) but is now half month late on rent.  She is asking if she is out by the 1st of September if I can accept the deposit as the current months(last month) rent payment.  Supposedly has been approved for another rental. Thoughts?  I feel like I’m opening the possibility of problems with a stay over, or the place is left with damage and cleanliness problems without recourse.  But, if I don’t accept and she doesn’t pay then I’m possibly in the eviction process after she’s left which means I’m still not paid and I’m out time and money for court.  Any ideas?


 Unless this is an outright eviction scenario, absolutely do not give her security deposit back. I've had people ask me this on numerous occasions and I have refused. Every time they left there were damages that I would have had to cover. If she is behind on rent you have several options. You could start reporting her late to the credit bureaus(it would get reported once it's 30 days past due), that might get her attention. Alternatively you can start the eviction process. MOST tenants are bluffing and don't want an eviction on their credit/background.

I would tell her she needs to pay in accordance with state law or you will start the eviction process. I would hold off on cash for keys until she's around 30 days past due. I would not be afraid of the going to court. I know it sucks, but it's one of your best leverage points as a landlord. So far(knock on wood) I've only had to file for an eviction once, and the tenant vacated before the actual court date. Again most tenants won't go this route.

Post: Berwyn: Potential 2 Flat Purchase

Sean McKeePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 218
  • Votes 153
Quote from @Sean McKee:
Quote from @John Warren:

@Sean McKee we have just under 100 units in Berwyn. the answer to your question will depend mostly on the quality of the unit. A lot of 2 bed/1 bath units will rent in the $1250-1550 range depending on the size, condition, amenities, parking, pet fees, etc. We have been targeting $1350 recently and that has been going well. 

In terms of the building you are under contract on, is it brick or frame? Berwyn has so many amazing brick buildings and a lot of times the frame buildings can be tough when it comes to the Berwyn compliance inspection. 


 Thanks Warren for the insight! It’s frame actually. It was updated to through the town compliance process in 2012. What makes frames so much tougher in Berwyn?

Sorry I meant John!

Post: Berwyn: Potential 2 Flat Purchase

Sean McKeePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 218
  • Votes 153
Quote from @John Warren:

@Sean McKee we have just under 100 units in Berwyn. the answer to your question will depend mostly on the quality of the unit. A lot of 2 bed/1 bath units will rent in the $1250-1550 range depending on the size, condition, amenities, parking, pet fees, etc. We have been targeting $1350 recently and that has been going well. 

In terms of the building you are under contract on, is it brick or frame? Berwyn has so many amazing brick buildings and a lot of times the frame buildings can be tough when it comes to the Berwyn compliance inspection. 


 Thanks Warren for the insight! It’s frame actually. It was updated to through the town compliance process in 2012. What makes frames so much tougher in Berwyn?

Post: Berwyn: Potential 2 Flat Purchase

Sean McKeePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 218
  • Votes 153
Quote from @Paul De Luca:

@Sean McKee

That's a good price on a 2-flat for Berwyn and I'm guessing the property needs some work.

Typical Berwyn rents for the units you have described (at market levels) usually range from $1200-$1400. If the units are more updated rents of $1400-$1600+ are very obtainable.

Here's the breakdown of the rents I have at my two duplexes in NW Berwyn:

Property #1 - 2 bed/1 bath unit rented for $1415 ($100/mo for two garage parking spaces included plus a monthly pet fee); 3 bed/1 bath unit for $1530 (bedrooms all on the smaller side). This property was rehabbed in 2018/2019 with renter grade finishes (laminate counters, new flooring, etc)

Property #2 - 1 bed/1 bath garden unit rented for $990; 3 bed/1 bath unit rented for $1515 (about 1100 sf). We gave our previous tenant who lived in the garden unit first dibs on this unit and we gave them a deal on the rent since we had a ton of interest and likely could have gotten $1600+.

Our rents may be a bit below market at this point given we haven't really raised rents in years. We're considering raising them a bit upon next renewals.

If you need some rental comps, let me know.

Paul thanks for this very helpful. Yes this one needs some work. The idea would be to try and get between 1500 and 1600. I’d love to see whatever rental comps you have.

thanks again 

Post: Berwyn: Potential 2 Flat Purchase

Sean McKeePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 218
  • Votes 153

Hello BP,

I have a potential 2 Flat in Berwyn that I have a "verbal agreement" to purchase for 205k. It's definitely not a final deal yet, but I wanted to see if anyone has general gauge of the rents in the area. Both of the units are 2 bed/1 bath. The first-floor unit is ~800SQFT and duplexed down to a finished storage area. The upstairs unit is approx. ~800 SQFT. 

Both units have access to laundry, a 2-car garage, and a parking pad. No Central AC. Currently they have average finishings for the area.

I have an idea on the rents but would like to hear what other people are currently renting their units for. Do you know what the max potential rent is?

Thanks for any advice!

Post: Police Called and Nuisance Landlord Hearing

Sean McKeePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 218
  • Votes 153

Hello BP!

I'm hoping someone might have some guidance on a recent event that happened at my property in Cicero. Long story short is that my tenant apparently had some friends that stole from a local corner store and were hiding out in my building. Police came and it was evidently a scene. However, the store owner did not press charges. My other tenant on site told me what happened and gave the responding officer my contact information. He told me there was a loud party the weekend prior but did not tell me.  The police never reached out to me.

Fast forward 10 days later and I'm getting a notice that I have to appear for an administrative hearing because I was "allowing" gang activity to occur and jeopardizing the safety of the community. Below is the ordinance they said I violated:

Commit any offense that is a nuisance according to the laws of the state."

These tenants were properly screened, passed background, credit checks, employment, etc. I never had issues with them until this incident. I do quarterly inspections of the units and other inspections of the property. I even renewed their lease. I never caught anything out of the ordinary. Had I suspected they were materially violating anything in the lease, I would have evicted them.  I'm not saying they are innocent, but I was not made aware of any issues by anyone until this incident. So, I'm not exactly sure how I'm in violation of anything?

I have already contacted my lawyer. I'm handling the tenants separately and they have been cooperating. I submitted FOIA request to the police department. However, I wanted to know if anyone has experienced this? Is there a way to make them drop this without appearing for this administrative hearing? I'm not concerned about being held liable (at least I don't think I should be), but this is a huge inconvenience. I'm not sure why I am expected to be responsible for grown adults.

Thanks for any advice or thoughts!


Post: What’s your average turn cost for your Class C rentals?

Sean McKeePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 218
  • Votes 153
Quote from @Nathan Gesner:
Quote from @Carlos M.:

@Nathan Gesner

That’s fantastic! How do you keep your cost so low ?


Strong policies and procedures. 

If you screen well, you'll get higher-quality renters that perform better. It also helps to have a strong lease that is easily understandable, and be quick to enforce violations. Communication is also important.

Our tenants see us performing professionally, so they are less likely to screw around. If they see you don't really know what you're doing, they are more likely to test the boundaries.


 Yes that’s really good. I’m usually averaging around 300 to 500 if they are there around a year. 

Is there anything you do to tenant proof better?

Post: What’s your average turn cost for your Class C rentals?

Sean McKeePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 218
  • Votes 153

Hello BiggerPockets!

I am curious to know what everyone is spending on turn cost for their  Class C rentals on average?  

This tenant base overall can be fairly rough. I’ve gone way better at tenant proofing stuff to reduce my overall cost.

I got a pretty rough tenant that was only there for a year. I didn’t renew the lease. 

  We luckily had a security deposit . I consider myself fairly lucky.  Our out-of-pocket cost was around $1600 to fix all of the “normal wear and tear” items. This was only a 1 bedroom apartment.

Let me know what the norm is for you!

Post: What tactics should I use to increase the rent without loosing the tenant.

Sean McKeePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 218
  • Votes 153
Quote from @Amer Swid:

So, I found a multiunit house and a single-family house both attached to each other, both owned by a church that put them up for sale. all units are already rented but lower than the market value. The single family house is rented for 1100 but supposed to be at 1300/month (my realtor told me so), and the other tenants in the multiunit property each pays 850 which supposed to be at 900/month. Another thing is that the least that they signed says that landlord will be responsible for trash, swere "basic fee" (not sure what that means) and lawn mowing. I really feels I need to increase the rent but the tenants are nice and clean and not sure how should I approach this. Their lease will be ending in 8 month from now.

I’m not sure how many units there are total. The multi-family units that are $50 dollars off market are the easiest. Just raise them $25 each for a couple years. Those aren’t that far off.

The single family home is harder. Run the comps to double check that you stand a reasonable chance of getting $200 more a month. That one is starting to get far off from market rents, so it might be best to bite the bullet and just increase the rent. There’s a chance they will leave, but you’ll loose a lot by keeping them at that rate. You could try and do $75 increases every year. That might be low enough for them not to immediately leave.