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All Forum Posts by: Sean McKee

Sean McKee has started 27 posts and replied 204 times.

Post: 3-Flat or 4-Flat Zoning Discrepancy

Sean McKeePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 204
  • Votes 148
Quote from @Adrian Miller:
Quote from @Sean McKee:
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@Demetrius Davis don't listen to others telling you to worry about what the seller thinks and the other offers!

If another buyer is too ignorant to do the research you have and overpays - why should you compete with them?

Your proce reduction should be based on 3-unit comparables or the cost to install separate meters and other associated costs to turn it into a legal 4-unit.

 @Drew Sygit - Your advice is spot on and I agree that’s how it should be done. But unfortunately in Chicago this is a very common situation and the truth is there are lots of investors and owner occupants who don’t care. I think everyone else is simply saying that the reality is the seller might simply move on to the next. If he’s ok with that then great, but if he’s not and wants the deal then he should tread more carefully. Ultimately each investor should determine if they can handle the risk associated with the deals.

Facts.

I've run into this situation as well. Listed at 3 or 4 unit ends up being a 2 or 3 unit with a bonus illegal in a lot of cases, apartment. When doing the deal it has to be based on current sold comps and if it's a 3 plus 1 you have to price it as that. Especially if it's an illegal unit in the basement that income goes away and the valuation goes down with it. 



 @Adrian Miller- That’s the exact issue that would concern me the most with these deals. Investors don’t think they will ever get caught and 95% of the time they won’t. However I had a situation where I was in the process of evicting a tenant. I got an email from the city with some “complaints” from the tenant and her stating the attic wasn’t permitted. Little did she know I had stamped architectural drawings from the deputy building commissioner. I was able to shut that down. I can only imagine the terror that would have come my way had it not been approved by the city. 

That’s all it takes and it’s game over.

Post: 3-Flat or 4-Flat Zoning Discrepancy

Sean McKeePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 204
  • Votes 148
Quote from:

@Demetrius Davis don't listen to others telling you to worry about what the seller thinks and the other offers!

If another buyer is too ignorant to do the research you have and overpays - why should you compete with them?

Your proce reduction should be based on 3-unit comparables or the cost to install separate meters and other associated costs to turn it into a legal 4-unit.

 @Drew Sygit - Your advice is spot on and I agree that’s how it should be done. But unfortunately in Chicago this is a very common situation and the truth is there are lots of investors and owner occupants who don’t care. I think everyone else is simply saying that the reality is the seller might simply move on to the next. If he’s ok with that then great, but if he’s not and wants the deal then he should tread more carefully. Ultimately each investor should determine if they can handle the risk associated with the deals.

Post: 3-Flat or 4-Flat Zoning Discrepancy

Sean McKeePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 204
  • Votes 148
Quote from @Demetrius Davis:
Quote from @Sean McKee:

@Demetrius Davis I had a similar scare, luckily an old water bill from the 1950s and zoning certificate cleared it up.

The 3 units plus “1” are common and lately it seems a lot of people are willing to pay full value for them. I personally wouldn’t but it’s common enough that you might be ok if you sell in the future.


Good luck!

Thanks, Sean! Were you the seller or buyer?

 I was the buyer. Somehow my team forgot about the zoning certificate during due diligence. When I found out, I checked the city’s site to quickly gauge the status. We were buying a 4 flat, however it said 2 flat. This was obviously not accurate, but still was alarming.

Post: Background check a TIN

Sean McKeePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 204
  • Votes 148

@John S Lewis- I rent to people in this exact situation fairly frequently. You can run a background check based on their name and DOB, some link to ITN and some don’t. Sometimes they have credit and sometimes they don’t. Most of the people have both  W2s and 1099s. I would personally verify bank statements, call employer, and really scrutinize landlord references. If they been living in the US a while, they probably have some kind verifiable information. I can’t charge a larger security deposit for legal reasons and wouldn’t feel the need to. Frankly I would just as likely to lose money the same by a US citizen as an undocumented tenant.

I’ve rented to a decent number of people in this situation over the last several years and have not had an issues yet(fingers crossed). 

Post: 3-Flat or 4-Flat Zoning Discrepancy

Sean McKeePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 204
  • Votes 148

@Demetrius Davis I had a similar scare, luckily an old water bill from the 1950s and zoning certificate cleared it up.

The 3 units plus “1” are common and lately it seems a lot of people are willing to pay full value for them. I personally wouldn’t but it’s common enough that you might be ok if you sell in the future.


Good luck!

Post: Tenant paying late, but not later than 5 days

Sean McKeePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 204
  • Votes 148
Quote from @Curtis Mears:

@Sean McKee

Nc has a law that allows 5 day grace period. No late fee can be charged until after 5 days.

That sums it up then.

Post: Tenant paying late, but not later than 5 days

Sean McKeePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 204
  • Votes 148
Quote from @J. Wang:
Quote from @Sean McKee:

@J. Wang I’m sorry to read about this. It sounds like you have realized your mistake with this tenant and going forward I’m sure you will up your tenant screening.

As far as paying late, what exactly does the lease say? Your lease sounds like it has standard grace period.

OK, this is what my lease says: Rent is due in full on or before 5 p.m. on the first (1st) day of each and every month during the Term, regardless of whether that day is a Saturday, Sunday, or Holiday. If rent is not received by the end of the day on the fifth (5th) day of each month, a late fee of the greater of 5% of the unpaid rent amount, or fifteen dollars will be charged. 

As far as I understand, if she pays on the 2 day, she is too late. I may not charge a late fee, but she is still too late. Am I right? 


 It looks like technically, but it probably won’t be worth the effort of going back and forward. If you absolutely feel the need to confront her over it, you can serve her a notice to quit or cure. Essentially she’s violating the lease terms. And if she doesn’t remedy it, she must leave. My lawyer had me serve something like this before. However as of right now I would try and keep the calm. She’s not that late and I wouldn’t want you to cause yourself more issues. I know the exact feeling you are going through. It sucks sometimes to have to swallow your pride.

Post: Tenant paying late, but not later than 5 days

Sean McKeePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 204
  • Votes 148

@J. Wang I’m sorry to read about this. It sounds like you have realized your mistake with this tenant and going forward I’m sure you will up your tenant screening.

As far as paying late, what exactly does the lease say? Your lease sounds like it has standard grace period.

Post: Should I Allow Dogs In My Rental?

Sean McKeePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 204
  • Votes 148

I agree with @Kyle Mccaw. I’ve NEVER had luck with pit bulls. I’ve given up on complete dog bans as it limits tenant pool and people sneak them on anyways. I set a weight cap at 30lbs, $200 nonrefundable pet fee, and $50 dollar pet rent. 

Post: Eviction process vs Cash for keys?

Sean McKeePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 204
  • Votes 148

@Kevin Hunter- I’m sorry to hear this. I have unfortunately been in your situation more times than I would care to admit. I can’t back this up with any statistics, but I’d say about 90% to 95% of tenants don’t actually want any kind of derogatory marks on their record. Some might care more than others, but most want to avoid trouble.

You have a few options that don’t involve court, which should be the last resort in a place like Cook County. Cash for keys has already been mentioned and is a great way to get people off quickly and without as much hassle as going to court.

Depending on your relationship you could try and come to a peaceful arrangement. But it sounds like you might be past that point.

You can report them to the Credit Bureaus. There are several ways to do this. But I’ve gotten a number of people to come to their senses this way.

If all else fails, then I would file for an eviction. I had a similar situation last year. I served the tenant  a 5 day notice and filed shortly after. The tenant was gone a few weeks later. She might be just seeing if you will call her bluff.