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All Forum Posts by: Sean Bramble

Sean Bramble has started 49 posts and replied 198 times.

Post: Vacation rentals in North Carolina [2022]

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You're seeing a broader phenomenon that is affecting essentially all STR markets across the US. Home prices rose significantly over the last 3 years in a way that caused typical STR returns to tumble from 40%+ to half of that or less. This is not unique to STRs either - it's more difficult to find LTR deals that cashflow as well. Add in rising interest rates to these peak prices and yields are very compressed across the board. It's a bit of a vicious cycle bc tons of LTR investors searching for yield have pivoted to STRs and are happy to take ~10% COC returns since that beats what they can find today with LTRs … problem is STRs are much riskier/ more volatile, so in theory investors should demand a higher yield than this to hold these assets (but most folks aren't thinking in this much depth). These investors are pushing STR prices even higher and returns even lower

To find returns that mimic the “old days” of STRs investors today are either seeking 1) off market deals, or 2) value add deals with a renovation/ refinance component. It’s just where we are in the market cycle - you’ll have to do a lot of legwork to cashflow, but it is definitely doable if you’re willing to put in the work.


I'd recommend picking a few markets, studying them every day for weeks/ months as listings hit the MLS, and eventually pulling the trigger on whatever pencils out to your liking. Don't be afraid to make a lot of "unreasonably low" offers as well. Think of it like fishing … it takes awhile but you'll eventually get a bite. Good luck!

Hunter/ Windham/ Jewett appear very safe regulation-wise … other areas are either significantly limiting STRs, or haven’t weighed in yet which is risky 

Post: STR JV/ syndication returns/ terms

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For those of you investing in STR joint ventures or syndications (or any GPs out there): what returns are operators promising in this environment? What are the terms? What sort of investments are they targeting/ where? Would love to hear how professional operators are approaching the space

Post: STR DSCR loan + seller finance

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Hey everyone - has anyone used a STR DSCR loan with seller finance in second position? I've heard of this being used on multifamily deals, but wasn't sure if STR DSCR loan products typically allow this... and if not, if there are any creative (legal) ways around it

Example: 80% LTV DSCR + 10% seller financing + 10% down

Quote from @Rolly Weaver:

I bought a property and had to change the zoning to allow STR.

We had to go in front of two county boards in order to do so and have inspections with fire department and code department. 

We did this is Georgia, so I'm sure its different in your neck of the woods.

The whole process took around 4 months. 

@Rolly Weaver what happens from a lending perspective in this scenario? For instance, if you purchased the property with a residential loan, do you have to swap to a commercial loan after rezoning?

Post: STR in Finger Lakes NY

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Quote from @Stephanie Jacobson:

Hi Justin!

I'd be happy to chat about this. I'm in the Ithaca area, and have a few clients buying up STRs here (though mostly surrounding, as Ithaca has some crazy restrictions). Ithaca is a good market for short term, with fall and winter being popular for parents visiting their kids at Cornell and IC. I have another client as well who looks around Greek Peak, a nearby ski resort.

Also, @Kelly Skeval runs a monthly REI here that could be helpful. Definitely reach out to her as well!

Hey Stephanie - could you give us a brief overview of the regulatory environment out there? Market looks great from ROI perspective, but reading about Ithaca’s regs, and the possibility of surrounding areas following has made me a bit hesitant. That said, I’m sure the situation is more nuanced on the ground there … would be great to hear if you think there is opportunity there long-term from a regulatory perspective, and if so where/ how. Thanks!

Post: -Credit markets are continuing to tighten -

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@Matthew Crivelli could you elaborate more about why 30 yr financing for STRs is "on the chopping block"? Is that a function of these loans being riskier than previously thought, or the fact that there will be less STR investments during a slowdown? Im new to this so just trying to understand

I've heard some mention that 30 yr DSCR financing for STRs could dry up as credit markets tighten/ recession impacts revenues … David G has mentioned on the podcast that these products "might not be around forever"… anyone have any thoughts on that?

Post: Multi-family market evolution over time

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Hey BP! I’m a rookie short term rental investor trying to learn all I can from RE history. I’ve heard a few folks mention that short term rentals today remind them of multi-family in years/ decades past... STRs have evolved in recent years from a “buy anything and it will cashflow” type of asset class, to today where there is a lot more competition, yields are more compressed, and more value add operators are beginning to enter the space. But many say it’s still “early days” … lots of evolution/ opportunity ahead on the horizon

It would be great to hear from those of you who have seen multi-family evolve over time … what “phases” did it go through? What strategies did operators use in each phase? Where do you think opportunity will be in short term rentals as the industry evolves/ professionalizes? I know it’s not a true “apples-to-apples”, but my guess is I can learn a thing or two from you all :)

Post: STR insurance ... in a wildfire risk area

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Update: I’ll leave a few notes in here for anyone else in a similar situation. Here’s what we learned

We didn’t end up following through with this deal for unrelated reasons, but it was located in an area that was evacuated the last 2 years in a row due to wildfires. The property was in a “very high” fire risk area according the agency that classifies land in CA. Due to this, the California Fair Plan was our only option for fire coverage (no other carriers would touch it, although some legacy properties are grandfathered in through other carriers), and then we would have had to buy a separate policy that provided other coverages for the house (like water damage, etc)/ business liability.

The Fair Plan piece came out to around $10K per year for a policy covering around 1M in property and 200k lost income. This was primarily driven by the fact that the property was >5 miles from the nearest fire station. They indicated that our rates would have been 50% lower if we would have been within that radius. The other insurance piece came out to around $2k/ year - way les

$12k/ year in insurance definitely didn’t help our underwriting, but it didnt “break” the deal for us either. We ended up pulling out instead bc renovation costs and timelines weren’t in sync with our yield target and desired amount of time investment. Another story for another day 

Strategically, we thought about fire risk in 3 ways

1) Catastrophic scenario where the house actually burns down: it can take years to obtain permits and actually rebuild a home, plus demand in the area could suffer long-term if the entire area burned, so we agreed we should insure at an amount we could walk away and feel good about it. So we insured more than the value of the home - closer to what we would expect the home to sell at if priced at cap rate in an exit to another investor. We also agreed to increase the coverage if the property was more successful to account for the larger premium we could eventually sell the property for. Ironically, this seemed like the least scary scenario since we were insuring against it

2) Scenario where some of the surrounding areas burn, but not our property. This would have been a terrible setback since this property was located just outside of a national park. If fire caused market demand to fall for a prolonged period we would be stuck with an untouched by fire, yet rapidly depreciating asset due to demand falling off a cliff. From my understanding insurance doesn’t cover this, so we essentially had to factor it in to our overall investment decision and weigh the risk against our projected returns 

3) Routine scenario where we have to cancel reservations during evacuation times. This one is somewhat likely to occur, and luckily the revenue estimates we were using from Airdna/ Pricelabs had this baked in somewhat since evacuations had happened the last 2 years in a row. So we basically underwrote the deal assuming the property would have an additional 5 or so weeks of vacancy per year to account for this.  

4) Exit risk: we hope to sell our STRs at cap rate to other investors in the future, but realize not all buyers will want to take on wildfire risk themselves for reasons mentioned above. So we saw this property as somewhat "less liquid" than a "normal" STR without these same risks. I doubt this would be a huge issue today, but as wildfires become more and more prevalent I could see this becoming more of an issue over time. Not a showstopper for us, but definitely something we pondered

Anywho, like I said- posting this as I’m sure someone will search for this in the future with similar questions. Feel free to PM me if you’d like any additional info - happy to help in any way I can!