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All Forum Posts by: Sean Bramble

Sean Bramble has started 49 posts and replied 198 times.

Post: Loan options for STR in NY State

Sean BramblePosted
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Hey BP! I'm seeking a low money down loan for my first STR investment in NY state, and wanted to stress test some assumptions I have about the type of loan I'm eligible for. Here's my situation:

- Rookie investor searching for first STR property in the $1M range (I have experience hosting before)

- No W2 income - left my mgmt consulting job last summer to take care of my dad who was sick, and haven't returned back to work yet .... would like to get started with my first RE investment before entertaining the idea of returning back to work (or just go full time into RE, eventually syndicating deals after I run out of capital to self-fund)

- Credit score in high 700s

- $700K liquid NW across stocks & 401K

Based on my research it appears a DSCR-based loan would be best in my situation, but I hate to put 20% down when I know so many others are investing w/ 10% vacation home loans (which I can't qualify for). Are there any lower money down options available to someone like me who can't meet the DTI requirements common w/ second home/ conventional loans?

Post: What cap rate do you target for your STR investments?

Sean BramblePosted
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@Erik Stenbakken makes sense - I really appreciate you thinking out loud here

I worry a bit that investors are applying a residential lens to what is really a hospitality business. i.e., assuming STR returns will be as non-volatile as LTR returns during an economic downturn. I suppose time will tell, but I can imagine a lot of these guys buying at super low cap rates in vacation markets could find themselves in a tough situation in an economy where people cut back on discretionary spending. But I'm quite new to this ... and probably missing something :)

Post: What cap rate do you target for your STR investments?

Sean BramblePosted
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Thanks @Erik Stenbakken!

Curious how you think about future appreciation in STR dominant markets ... where homes are essentially being valued as income producing hospitality assets rather than homes ...

i'm new to this - so please let me know if i'm thinking about this the right way - but it seems like in an STR dominant market appreciation would be driven by 3 things:

1) increased demand from Airbnb consumers (essentially boosts NOI through higher occupancy/ ADRs, and therefore boosts market value of homes if you hold cap rates constant)

2) increased demand from Airbnb investors willing to pay more for the same earnings (i.e., lower cap rates)

3) inflation

Am I thinking about this the right way? If so, does this imply that home values will eventually max out at cap rates that are so low most people won't want to invest? Where do you think the "floor" is?

Post: What cap rate do you target for your STR investments?

Sean BramblePosted
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What is the lowest cap rate you will invest at in an STR-friendly market w/ good future demand outlook?

Are these targets still achievable for you in today's market?

(Asking about cap rate instead of CoC so it's apples to apples)

Post: Putting down 15%????

Sean BramblePosted
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Same question ... where do I find a 15% down commercial loan (for an STR purchase)? I'm currently looking at 20% DSCR-based loans through private money lenders since I don't have a W2, but recently keep hearing about people using 15% down loans and am intrigued ...

I saw recently that David Green & Rob are using a 15% down loan product for their Arizona luxury STR purchase

Post: STR renovation financing

Sean BramblePosted
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Hey everyone - I'm working towards my first STR purchase and have a question about financing for home renovations. I'll be using a DSCR-based loan from a private money lender to acquire the property (no W2). I'm drawn to investing in a fixer upper and renovating it for several reasons, but I also see some cons to this approach ...

Pros: easier to find an affordable property (i.e., avoids intense bidding wars common w/ turn-key properties), experience gained doing my first reno (I've got the time to manage the process), forced equity, being able to reverse engineer exactly what I know guests want (boosting my ADR), etc.

Cons: given where the market is I likely won't acquire a property that fits my criteria cheap enough upfront to effectively BRRRR (i.e., won't get my reno money out immediately) - so this essentially adds to my initial out-of-pocket investment and reduces the remaining capital I have to invest in addl properties. Another con is I know good contractors are hard to find and schedule these days and expensive (along w/ building materials).

Questions: 

-- Am I right to think I won't be able to recoup my renovation costs quickly?

-- Is there some other way I'm not thinking of to bake the renovation costs into my ongoing monthly payments (i.e., reducing my upfront investment)?

-- If not, have you found that renovations are still worth the addl out-of-pocket expense for your STRs? Why or why not?

Any general thoughts on this also welcome! I'm new to this and need all the advice I can get ;)

As I look across the US, I'm seeing that different STR markets are in different stages of maturity, and am curious which strategies investors are using to target them.

On one end of the spectrum you have mature vacation rental markets that have stood the test of time (long before Airbnb and VRBO existed). These markets typically have lots of competition, higher home values relative to earning potential (since most homes are essentially valued like hospitality assets instead of homes), and lower regulatory risk since the local areas have embraced STRs (rely on them for taxes, etc.). You'll pay a lot to invest in these markets, can earn a decent (but not incredible) return, appreciation  can be (relatively) modest, and they are generally lower risk investments. 

On the other end of the spectrum you have nascent markets that are developing before our eyes. These markets were essentially created by Airbnb and VRBO, typically have less competition, lower home values relative to earning potential (since most homes are valued as homes instead of hospitality assets), and higher regulatory risk since these municipalities may have not yet decided how to treat STRs. You'll pay less to invest in these markets, with more market and regulatory risk, but the rewards could be quite high in terms of cashflow, appreciation, and getting "grandfathered in" to a limited number of STR permits that might one day be required ... OR the town you are in could ban STRs overnight, wiping your business out completely. High risk, high reward.

... And then there are obviously markets between both of these extremes ...

Where do the markets you're investing in (or interested in investing in) fall along this continuum?

What have you seen happen over time to revenues, competition, home values, and regulation as these markets have evolved?

What do you anticipate will happen in the future?

What strategies have you used (or seen others use) given these market dynamics?

Long-winded question, I know ... would love to hear your thoughts :)

Post: Should we be avoiding STR up north of NYC?

Sean BramblePosted
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@Alexander Szikla - just curious, what factors do you think don't make sense STR-wise Upstate? I'm a new investor based in NYC and considering the region due to proximity ... but there are obviously many other remote markets that look attractive

Also, wow! this is my first post on Bigger Pockets! :)