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All Forum Posts by: Joe White

Joe White has started 36 posts and replied 497 times.

Post: Grow Property Management

Joe WhitePosted
  • Property Manager
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 515
  • Votes 196

Grow Property Management? That heading has a nice ring to it.

Post: Why Self Managing Investment Properties is CRAZY

Joe WhitePosted
  • Property Manager
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 515
  • Votes 196

Property management companies make you far more than you pay them.

You simply don't have the buying power I have with contractors. We refer many contractors 6 figures a year in business, and we have systems in place that make working for us, far less work than working elsewhere. We get heavily vetted contractors, at deep discounts.

And we market for tenants constantly. We get over 40 inquiries daily from prospective tenants looking for rentals. We have a waiting list and we are able to get far more for a rental than a landlord, or real estate agent ever could hope to.

Post: Using Velocity of Money in Real Estate Investing

Joe WhitePosted
  • Property Manager
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 515
  • Votes 196

@Jaspreet Baveja Yes, I was assuming the house was purchased with cash/no lien.
But even with 2nd position, there is security knowing the buyer is committed as much as possible.

However, you are right, I personally would recommend avoiding 2nd lien position. Ideally I would want to loan on a renovation for a property asset already owned. Especially so if I lacked experience.

Post: Using Velocity of Money in Real Estate Investing

Joe WhitePosted
  • Property Manager
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 515
  • Votes 196

Velocity of money is an economic term that refers to how quickly money changes hands within an economy. It's often used as a key metric of an economy's health. 


The faster a dollar gets spent, then re-spent, and re-spent again, the more opportunities that dollar can be taxed. The more opportunities someone might have to do something grand with their dollar, like start a business that creates taxable jobs.

This article illustrates the vehicles real estate property investors often use to build capital fast. It's a powerful tool for real estate investors; but also crucial to our economy as a whole.

It’s something economists spend considerable resources tracking & attempting to adjust on federal and state government levels; but this dynamic is often better demonstrated on city/town levels simply because the results are more readily seen.

Let's take for example a small town that needs a traffic light; but can only afford a stop sign. If a Dairy Queen opens and becomes a popular place, the town can now charge sales tax on each ice cream cone sold. The town can also tax the Dairy Queen owner on the profit she is making. The town can tax the employees and tax them, yet again when they spend their paychecks buying the next coolest sneakers. And this velocity of money changing hands goes on and on till the town can buy their stop light with all the tax it collected.

Where we don’t often hear the term velocity of money is in respect to property investing; because a wise investor knows the big wins often come from the long game. This is true in the stock market and it's true in real estate investing. The smarts on this can’t successfully be argued.

But velocity of money, when you can get it in your investing, is an incredibly powerful wealth builder; so it's worth talking about. And, it's certainly worth giving this dynamic back its name. Since it can easily be had in real estate investing, it's worth an article on it..

Let’s take for example that, instead of you being a small town needing a traffic light, you are a real estate investor needing to build capital quick, or looking for a passive form of income - Imagine investing $30,000 getting your 12% return of $3,600 and getting that same $30,000 back to reinvest in only 3 months. That means that in one year, you can invest that same $30,000, 4 times, at that rate of return (12%) that’s $14,400. As far returns go, that’s a very good one!

Two main ways real estate investors get high velocity of money returns. One is House Flipping and the other is through being a Private Lender.

House Flipping is where you purchase a property that you can improve in ways that will greatly increase its value, more than it cost you to purchase it and the improvements. Then you sell it for an expected profit. The goal being to buy the property, renovate it and sell it as quickly as you can (velocity of money!).

House flipping is an extremely profitable way to make money and it also has the powerful dynamic of velocity of money working for you. But it often takes considerable effort - you need to find the property, get it renovated and get it sold. But it can be greatly systemized, which can reduce some of the burden.

Private Lending, is a far more passive form of investing, where house flipping will likely require much of your time and energy, private lending will require you to do little more than vett the person you are lending to.

Real estate private lending is where you loan someone money to purchase a property, renovate a property, or both; but the most common loans would be on the acquisition (purchase) or on the renovation part.

Given a choice between the two, I prefer loaning on the renovation, after the borrower has already purchased the property. Why? Because the property acts as the asset that protects my investment, the buyer also has “skin in the game” since she has also invested her own money to buy the property, and I don’t need to wait the additional time it takes to purchase the property, on top of the time it will take to renovate, to get my money back (velocity of money!). Another important reason, is once the property has been found and purchased, I can better decide if this is a good investment or not. I also have a slight more time to decide, as the buyer is frantic to get the property before someone else does.

Hard Money Lending is also private lending. This refers to a private lender doing this on a more professional, and frequent level. A hard money lender typically would be marketing to create a high demand for their private lending funds.

There is a 3rd common way, that is also worth mentioning, called Wholesaling. It’s interesting as the initial financial investment might be zero and the profit might be almost instantaneous. So the velocity of money skips a step - the part where you put in your money (nice!). Let’s say you know someone will be willing to sell their property worth $100,000 for only $80,000 and you know I would be willing to buy it for $90,000. You just made $10,000 as a finder’s fee merely introducing two people that can solve each others problems.

Fast capital building aside, velocity of money also allows you to be extremely diversified, and extremely reactive to adjusting to the market. Not only can you adjust by the month; but those you invest to, will also be tending to adjust as well. Diversification is never a bad thing.

Okay, now it's time to stop reading and go buy a cup of coffee so we can get velocity of money going again.

Happy Investing!

Post: How to predict neighborhood appreciation

Joe WhitePosted
  • Property Manager
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 515
  • Votes 196

Construction permits would be the main way that I would determine this.

But here in Philadelphia, its has been my experience, as a property manager, that once the media says a neighborhood will be the next fastest appreciating neighborhood, it makes it so. Under-educated investors, contractor renovating their own flips, and real estate agents, all blindly follow. That movement makes it so.

I'm sure it's the case everywhere.

Post: OWNING PARKING LOTS

Joe WhitePosted
  • Property Manager
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 515
  • Votes 196

The parking lots I manage are not available for sale. Sorry if there is confusion.

Post: Where to BRRRR in Philadelphia/ Suburb Markets?

Joe WhitePosted
  • Property Manager
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 515
  • Votes 196

I agree with @Account Closed that multifamily properties will cost you a premium. It is far more difficult to make your money going in, and that is really where you want to make your money. You make it by buying deals. Also, multifamily properties tend to appreciate more slowly and have less in the way of exit strategies. A SFH's you can sell to anyone.

Post: Local Cash Out Refi Firm-Near Philadelphia

Joe WhitePosted
  • Property Manager
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 515
  • Votes 196

The generally accepted wisdom is towards smaller, local banks. They tend to have flexibility to give loans. Choose a small bank that is also a portfolio lender. One that can sell the loans on the secondary market, hold the loans or also has the ability to work as  broker to find you other products. Contact me for a Philadelphia bank connection that is common with investors, if you need. 

Post: BRRRR cash vs. FHA/conventional

Joe WhitePosted
  • Property Manager
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 515
  • Votes 196

The big issue is the double closing. Closing costs are your biggest expenses. If you buy a house for $50k, the renovation costs $50k and its worth $150k when completed, you get those amounts back, and then some (hopefully).But the closing cost amounts are just money spent, expenses and unrecoverable. 

So buying with cash avoids very expensive closing costs. 

Post: Private NY Real Estate Investors looking to get into Philly

Joe WhitePosted
  • Property Manager
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 515
  • Votes 196

I'm not 100% positive what information you are looking for? Just networking, deals or partnerships?