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All Forum Posts by: Luka Jozic

Luka Jozic has started 25 posts and replied 113 times.

Post: Detroit or Cleveland?

Luka JozicPosted
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Quote from @Jerry Maliszewski:

According to Fannie Mae, 10 million people will be moving to the midwest by 2030 all seeking smaller downtowns.  Both will do very well for years to come.


That might be true but that doesn't mean they're moving to Cleveland or Detroit. Data suggests that both of these places have been on a decline for years. I don't think you can say a place is doing "very well" when they're among the poorest cities in the US and has among the highest foreclosure rates in the country. That to me suggest anything but "doing very well"... Maybe have a look at reventure.app and see what the data says about these places.

Post: Detroit or Cleveland?

Luka JozicPosted
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Neither, both will be a headache and neither will make you rich.

Post: Investing Out Of State - Starting

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Quote from @Isaac Terry:

I was looking at homes in Akron & Clevand, they are affordable but since I'm out of state I'm not sure about pulling the trigger on investing. 

Any advice regarding the pros and cons of these two cities? And would it be worthwhile investing to rent?

Cleveland looks good on paper, but its not as good in reality. It is one of the poorest places in all of the US. Tenant quality is extremely low even in so called C areas. How does anyone expect people in a place with an average income of 25K a year to pay an average of $1400/mo rent? I would highly recommend to look somewhere that people actually want to live instead of where they have to. 

Post: Any successful BRRR in OHio?

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Quote from @Bob Stevens:

UMM YESS, for the last 10 years. Now sure the high cash flow of 30% nets have decreased as pricing has doubled, tripled (all in 35- 40k, now, 100k-140k) and much more so your assumption is incorrect. (Cleveland markets) but sill great ROI. I just closed on a 3 br all in will be 65k ( pp 40k reno 25k) YES all in, Rent will be 1600. value is about 125k. Closing today on a duplex, all in 90k, rents 900/900, value about 130k This is my norm. I can provide 100s of examples.

BTW look how incorrect you were, see this is what happens when people sit on the internet and THINK they are " learning" 

44109 (median home price went from roughly 50k to 125k in 8 years)

https://www.zillow.com/home-values/77009/cleveland-oh-44109/

44102 (median home price went from roughly 30k to 120k in 8 years)

https://www.zillow.com/home-values/77002/cleveland-oh-44102/

44106 (median home price went from roughly 100k to 200k in 8 years)

https://www.zillow.com/home-values/77006/cleveland-oh-44106/

All the best


Thats great but how has the income changed over the past 8 year? Not too much. Cleveland is still one of the poorest cities in America with a median income of around $37K per household! How are they supposed to pay $1600/mo in rent? You don't need to be a genius to see how that is an issue. It sounds like you've made it work well in Cleveland, but for rookies I think its better to go elsewhere. 

Post: Section 8 BRRRR in Cleveland Metro

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Id say after 2 years of investing in Cleveland, I wouldn't recommend it. Better go somewhere where people actually want to live and not everybody is broke. It has one of the highest poverty rates in the country, declining population, and not much going for it. It looks good on paper, but its not in reality. A higher quality property in a better neighborhood in a better city is gonna outperform any Cleveland property in the long run. We just get to focused on cashflow and can't see it. I've been through several property managers and properties in various areas and its always the same ****, late or no rent, expensive turnovers, and just lots of headaches..

Post: Does bi-weekly payments make sense in a cash-flow market?

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Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:

for me I like to square off what payments I do have these days.

So like on my houses mortgage for example  if the payment was 2800 i am going to send in 3k a month and forget about trying to do it twice a week etc.

and do that on all mortgages.. I find couple hundo on a mortgage we just piddle that money away any way might as well do some good with it..

I would also look at snowballing one property at a time.. get one paid off then the next then the next.. paid off RE is where you want to be if you really plan on using this stuff for retirement cash flow..


 For me it is. Im buying these properties so that in several years from now, they can provide solid cash flow that I can live off of. This is my substitute for 401K. So yeah the sooner they're paid off the sooner they will cashflow better, and I'd rather have that happen in 21 years rather than 30 so I think it makes sense. 

Post: Does bi-weekly payments make sense in a cash-flow market?

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I understand that doing bi-weekly simply means you are doing 13 mortgage payments a year as opposed to 12. So you get one payment each year that goes straight to principal. I've read other threads on the topic and it seems like the obvious answer is that it depends, as doing bi-weekly pays off your mortgage faster but means less available cash for other investments.

Say we have a typical Cleveland property worth around 150K, assume the monthly PIMI is $1000 and that annual cashflow is $5000. According to my lender, if I do bi-weekly I would pay off the mortgage in 21 years as opposed to 30, shaving off 9 years. That means in 21 years I will have a fully paid off property, and can now cash out refi and buy X more properties. However, by doing so, I'll be paying $1000 extra each year towards my mortgage, reducing my cashflow to $4000/year. So after 21 years I will have either:
1. $21K extra to invest (not even enough for 1 down payment really) if I do monthly.
2. A fully paid off property which now should be worth at least $300K with appreciation, I can access 75% of that with a cash out refi so roughly $225K - refi costs.

To me, its a no brainer to do bi-weekly IF you plan to keep the house for that long AND you do not plan to refinance (rate or cash out). So the follow up question is, does it make sense to keep a property for that long and not dig into its equity for 21 years? What are your thoughts on this?

Post: Experience of OOS investing in Cleveland after 1.5 years.

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Quote from @Bob Stevens:
Quote from @Michael P.:
Quote from @Bob Stevens:
Quote from @Michael P.:

Brooo I told you that toledo one was a D area


 Irrelevant what area it is, Its ALL about price, screening and doing the reno correctly 

Lets "agree to disagree". I think investing out of state in a D area is a bad idea. C area also a bad idea but maybe borderline if bought at a large discount. B area is the best for investing out of state.


 100% irrelevant IF you have a team. I live OOS and have been doing deals in the Cleveland markets for many years. Closing on another this week. I have props that many would call the hood, but I do not worry. 


 So how do you get stable properties in "the hood"? What is it that your team does? I mean yes you do good rehabs of course. But how do you get solid tenants in there? Do you only do S8 or do you screen them in a specific way? What's the magic formula Bob?

Post: Experience of OOS investing in Cleveland after 1.5 years.

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Quote from @Engelo Rumora:
Quote from @Luka Jozic:
Quote from @Scott Bowen:

@Luka Jozic BRRRR is still a good strategy - don't let anyone tell you otherwise. But gone are the days where you can expect to pull all your money out of the deal and still cash flow $200+ a month. I aim for 10-20% CoC on BRRRR deals.

Cleveland wouldn't be my market of choice given how old most of the houses are, but I know a lot of investors who have success there, so it's definitely viable. For C/C- neighborhoods you usually need to scale to 10+ doors; it's a numbers game. 

Yeah my goal is around 30% but its hard to achieve, especially using a hard money loan. If I could start finding off market deals myself I think it could work, usually the assignment fee from wholesalers is the difference between pulling all your money out and not. 


You're welcome on the lists mate hehe 👍 (No, not sending to anybody else as Luka has Balkan heritage I'm assuming and so do I so we look after each other haha).

Wholesalers are a disaster and all of your equity/profit will go to them.

I suggest cold calling yourself, learn/practice your pitch and then elevate and delegate.

My folks have been doing just acquisitions for many years now but all good things take time.

All the best mate

Greatly appreciate it man and yeah I do. Yeah that sounds like a good plan! Haven't bought anything from wholesalers as their deals are more expensive than the MLS lol..

Post: Experience of OOS investing in Cleveland after 1.5 years.

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Quote from @Michael P.:

Its not to late to do sewer inspection on the other properties if they were never done. Prevent sewage leaking and destabilizing the foundation. Blow in a resin-coated lining through the old pipe for $150 per linear foot. Better than 35k repair for sinking foundation.


 Yeah Im already on it and also added insurance trough Cleveland water for like $10 a month per property.