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All Forum Posts by: Luka Jozic

Luka Jozic has started 25 posts and replied 113 times.

Post: Question regarding deal evaluation

Luka JozicPosted
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Im on my 3rd property now and just getting more comfortable with all of this and now wanting to scale faster with BRRRR using hard money loans. I've been pretty strict with my numbers which is good in one sense, but I feel like Im missing out on deals. Im seeing lots of obviously more successful investors swearing by the 1% rule and buying properties where I just don't see how the numbers make sense. So as an example, lets say I do a SFH BRRRR and after rehab is complete I refi at $120K and rent is $1200/mo, this would be exactly the 1% rule right. At 120K and 75% LTV and 7% interest, the typical PIMI in Cleveland would be around $900/mo (this would be higher in Heights suburbs with higher taxes). I usually want to set aside 25% of rent for capex, repairs, vacancy, and management. So with $1200 rent that leaves $900 left. That means we have $0 cash flow. I understand that the idea of BRRRR is to pull all your money out, but Im finding that pretty difficult to achieve if I want some cash flow. Even if I refi at $100K instead, the cashflow would be around $140 a month but then I would have to be all in (purchase price + rehab) at $75K, which I also find very difficult to achieve. And that is not even considering the cost of a hard money loan and then the refi, which is somewhere around $7-8K.

So my question is, how are you guys evaluating deals? Am I being too conservative with my numbers? I have the capability to buy more than I currently am strictly because I find it hard to find deals where the numbers make sense to me.

Post: Learning the type of neighborhood by address.

Luka JozicPosted
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You can try: https://www.roofstock.com/get-neighborhood-rating

Im not sure how accurate this is, sometimes I cross reference it with the crime maps out there and generally they are in agreement. But yeah don't follow that blindly obviously. 

Post: Help with title search

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Quote from @Ned Carey:

@Luka Jozic

If I understand your reply it sounds like you are bidding at a tax auction not a foreclosure auction. That is a totally different animal.

You should talk to some local title companies to find out if they can insure title on tax auction properties. It is possible some will and some won’t. Some may say you need to wait a year or even three years to insure the title.

No its not tax auction its foreclosures. 

Post: Help with title search

Luka JozicPosted
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Quote from @Ned Carey:

@Luka Jozic
      The reason as to why is because I want to bid at auction.

Well that is one of the Possible reasons to do a title search. First you need to know yiour state foreclosure laws and what gets wiped out at a foreclosure. If things are getting wiped out by the forecosure then no need to look for them. Read the terms of the auction and the contract you are signing. If they are offering free and clear insureable title then you generally don't need to do any more research. 

Now if the above is true, that everyone gets wiped out, you only need to research the order of liens to make sure the first is foreclosing. You need to consider risk, when bidding at any aution. One risk is there are things that come up you are not expecting. 

Just spoke to some lady at the county who basically said that all properties for this county are clean title. If you look at the case at clerk of courts it says foreclosure marsh. of liens, which basically means that they notify all the lien holders and the foreclosure is for all those liens. She said that their attorneys perform title search before it going to auction and that the minimum bid usually is the total amount owed however if the property sells for less then the lien holders take that loss. She also said that the winning bidder  will not have to pay any other outstanding liens as they are all included in this foreclosure process. When asking about how I can verify if its first position lien she said the county is first position and the mortgage company second, not sure what to make of that but she did assure me that I will not have to pay any other liens or have any issues selling later down the line as these are all clean title. 

To me, that sounds like I don't need to do title search at all. But, as a precautionary measure she did show me where to find all the liens at the clerk of courts, which might be a good thing to do.

Post: Help with title search

Luka JozicPosted
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Quote from @Ned Carey:

@Luka Jozic

Mortgages are often assigned to new note holders. Notes are freely transferable. However there is no reuirement that the transfer goes into the land records. Sometimes these tranfers show up in MERS. This is a record of mortage transfers but there is also no requirement to use this44. I don't know how to access MERS or how tile companies track down the new holder of a note. 

In situation 3 there may be multiople mortages The first case to finish will go to auction first. If that happens to be the ortge in first place the others are wipped out. If that is for the mortgae recorded in third place the first two still remain on title. 

Another possibiltiy in is situation 3 is the first forclosure in court records could have stopped and decided to sell the note instead. The the next holder of the same note could start foreclosure and decide it is two much work. So that person culd then sell the very same note to a third person who completes the foreclosure. 

Also it is very important to understand that you simply cannot do a full title searh in the land records. TItle companies check for deaths, divorces, bankruptcies, judegments etc. before insuring title. Many land records have very convoluted ways of indexing items. You might miss something due to not understanding that one type of search does not pull up a document. 

You wrote
       "but paying for every property can get spendy"

A big question is WHY do you want to do your own title search? Ther are very few situations where you need to do a full title search prior to taking action as an investor. 


 Thanks this is very helpful. So for case 3 (and other cases as well) it seems like the main thing here is to understand whether or not the mortgage being foreclosed on is the first position, if it is then the others don't matter as they will be wiped right?

The reason as to why is because I want to bid at auction. There are many properties and paying $150+ per property can get very expensive, especially since I will have to pay someone to drive by every property. Thats why if I can do title searches for most of them that would be great, then if there are maybe a few (such as the ones I posted) that are a little tricky I could pay for those only, but I'd still like to learn as much as possible.

Post: Help with title search

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I have been trying to learn how to do my own title search and for the most part I feel like it is fairly straight forward. But there are a few cases where I kind of am getting stuck and was hoping someone could help me clarify.

Case 1: The bank on the foreclosure doesn't match the bank on the mortgage

Searching at the fiscal officer here for property with parcel ID 64104010 and then I go to "Get Documents List" and I see the mortgage was through JP Morgan Chase.

Then I search for the foreclosure case at the clerk of courts and I it says the person is being foreclosed by NEWREZ LLC FKA NEW PENN FINANCIAL, LLC. Why is that and what does that mean? I see this is the case for many foreclosures so my assumption is that JP Morgan Chase sold the loan (or something of that nature)?

Case 2: Multiple mortgages

Parcel ID 78124031, for this one there are a bunch of open-end mortgages then in 2008 a new 30 year mortgage with Washington Mult BK for 92K, Im guessing this is a refinance with a new bank? Then in 2011 another 30 year mortgage with JP Morgan Chase, guessing this is the same thing. And lastly in 2018 a freddie mac flex modification agreement with Nationstar Mortgage LLC. At the Clerk of Courts on the case it says MCLP ASSET COMPANY, INC is foreclosing. So Im just very confused here if this is foreclosure is a first position and exactly what is going on here?

    Case 3: Liens and multiple foreclosures on the parcel

    For parcel ID 64111134, I cant seem to find the initial mortgage from the sale in 1999, but there is a subordinate mortgage for $7K from 2016 i.e. second position mortgage. Then there are a few loan modifications and lastly a partial claim mortgage. My issue with this one is that when I search the parcel ID on Clerk of Courts there are a bunch of cases coming up. Only the most recent one is the one listed on the auction site but does that mean that the older ones are not active? There also seems to be a child support lien but its a rather small amount and Im not sure if its wiped out or not.

    I understand that some will advice me to contact a title company to find this out, but paying for every property can get spendy and I would like to learn how to do this as best I can. However, if someone knows a title company that can do an unofficial/uninsured title search that doesn't cost like $150+ then please do share. Any help with this would be much appreciated. Thanks.

    Post: Need help estimating ARV for BRRRR

    Luka JozicPosted
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    Quote from @Brad S.:
    Quote from @Luka Jozic:
    Thank you for that this is exactly the post that I needed and I learned something about appraisals as well so really appreciate it. Based on the comps you shared, despite the fact that mine will be slightly nicer with all major systems repaired, my guess is that 130K is more likely than 140K. And 130K still probably more likely than 135K. Like Nicholas said, the return is not good enough for this amount of work. 

    A few more thoughts.

    I do like the 4144 Hyde Ave because it is the closest in quality and condition, to how yours WILL BE. So, if it was me, I may see a $140k or so, but again, someone who knows the neighborhood might have a different opinion. One issue is, that I am not seeing any other renovated duplex sales, so that leaves more up to the Appraiser's opinion, since there are less facts (i.e. data/sales, etc) which reflect how the market is valuing a renovated duplex. And it's difficult to argue with opinion. So, if you can find some more renovated duplexes in the general area, even just over a mile away (but similar neighborhood and market area), that may help give you a better idea of value. 

    On the rehab side, I do kinda agree with @Nicholas L.. The return % seems good, but the nominal amount seems low for the potential risk involved. Also, I didn't see if you said if you were experienced in rehabs, etc, or not. My other concern would be the full rehab only costing $42k. I don't know if that includes any contingencies or not. But, you are dealing with a 130yr+ old house, I imagine there could very easily be things an inspector or your contractor missed or can't see (inside walls, etc) and if you find those issues, that could easily throw off your rehab budget a TON! In my market, I have only dealt with 2 (maybe 3) ~100yr old properties, and at least 1 had a bunch of surprises within the walls, especially the bathrooms, where we had to reframe some walls, etc. We couldn't see those till the walls were opened. But, we had plenty of room in the deal, so it wasn't a big issue. In the photos of your Subject, a few of the acoustic ceilings look suspect, wavy, lines, etc. In my areas, that may be asbestos and may need remediation (not cheap, if done properly) and if it isn't, it still may need some work - scraping and finishing the ceiling, etc. that adds to the rehab costs. Or it may not need any of that, but those are the unknowns. So, as these risks go up, I personally, expect more of a potential reward from a deal.

    Using your #'s, purchase and rehab = $108k, which is about 77% of $140k (assuming a favorable appraisal). That's not terrible these days, but not good on the lower priced properties/areas, like this. Again, not much room for error here. 

    My approach would've been to come up with an offer # that worked well for you, maybe closer to $50k or so, and find comps to support that ( I thought I saw 1 or 2), and present them with the offer and let them know that is the highest and best. It has been on the market almost 3 months, my guess is people aren't banging down the door to get it, but, again, I dunno! 

    One thing I tell new investors is, How much is it worth TO YOU, to OWN someone else's problem/s. I personally have owned properties that anchored me down more than propped me up.

    Thanks for a very thorough response. We don't plan to open any walls and the things in the ceiling are not a huge concern and are included in the bid. That doesn't mean there can still be unexpected costs there certainly can and thats why I would like at least a little more wiggle room. Im not very experienced with rehabs but I do have a pretty solid contractor that I feel I can trust. But, maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea to maybe do a slightly smaller project before jumping on something this big.

    I did try to lower the price but the seller said hard no. But I agree for the amount of work and risk I would want a little more reward. If the appraisal were to come in at 140K and the return did end up being 25%+ that would of course be decent, but definitely not a home run in my opinion.

    The thing that keeps making me have doubts is that I do see good growth potential for this property long term. But to make it work I feel like the price needs to come down, if the seller wont accept it now maybe they will in a few months. 

    Post: Need help estimating ARV for BRRRR

    Luka JozicPosted
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    Quote from @Brad S.:

    First, as a certified appraiser and licensed broker, my opinions should not be relied upon for anything and are not offered here for anything other than general discussion and are not expressed here in a professional capacity at all. I know less than nothing about that market or the Subject property, etc, etc, etc. I also don't have data from the area and can only see zillow data.

    Now, with that said Here's my take:

    Your comps:

    4144 Hyde Ave - too far - over 1 mile from Subject

    7124 Clark Ave - large wrap-around porch, superior appeal, larger gla 2424sf (over 20% larger), has an additional bedroom, but it may be a moderate traffic street which may be an inferior location

    3411 W 91st S - also over a mile away

    Zillow comps

    3134 W 88th St - sold 4/6/23 @ $125k, within a mile, much larger at 3012sf, in avg-good condition, avg quality

    3127 W 70th St - active listing, $129,900, listed for 78 days, a stone's throw away, in avg-good condition, semi-upgraded possibly

    General guidelines are to stay within a mile from the subject for comps. There is no rule saying you HAVE to do that, but you need to explain why you deviated from it. Typically that would be because you couldn't find a reasonable comparable within the mile. I would probably use 4144 Hyde Ave, because 1 unit was renovated, and that may help to bracket your future renovated condition and quality, but that doesn't guarantee a higher appraised value. I could see a path toward the $140k, but my guess would be more in between 130-140k. And again, I know NOTHING about the area or market there and I don't get the proper data for that area. I don't know if there are differences in lot sizes and neighborhoods, etc. It also is a flip of the coin with which appraiser you get. I have had some bad appraisals on my own deals, so, you never know.

    Good luck

    Thank you for that this is exactly the post that I needed and I learned something about appraisals as well so really appreciate it. Based on the comps you shared, despite the fact that mine will be slightly nicer with all major systems repaired, my guess is that 130K is more likely than 140K. And 130K still probably more likely than 135K. Like Nicholas said, the return is not good enough for this amount of work. 

    Post: Need help estimating ARV for BRRRR

    Luka JozicPosted
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    Quote from @Nicholas L.:

    ...that all the work it needs and all the time it will take is worth going through with it, just to leave 25K+ in it.

    Agreed. I feel like I would need to get it around 60K for this to be worth it. 

    Post: Need help estimating ARV for BRRRR

    Luka JozicPosted
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    Quote from @Nicholas L.:

    @Luka Jozic

    you had a separate thread about this one going and i was skeptical... and still am =)


     What part are you skeptical about?