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All Forum Posts by: Luka Jozic

Luka Jozic has started 25 posts and replied 119 times.

Post: Help with title search

Luka JozicPosted
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Quote from @Ned Carey:

@Luka Jozic

Mortgages are often assigned to new note holders. Notes are freely transferable. However there is no reuirement that the transfer goes into the land records. Sometimes these tranfers show up in MERS. This is a record of mortage transfers but there is also no requirement to use this44. I don't know how to access MERS or how tile companies track down the new holder of a note. 

In situation 3 there may be multiople mortages The first case to finish will go to auction first. If that happens to be the ortge in first place the others are wipped out. If that is for the mortgae recorded in third place the first two still remain on title. 

Another possibiltiy in is situation 3 is the first forclosure in court records could have stopped and decided to sell the note instead. The the next holder of the same note could start foreclosure and decide it is two much work. So that person culd then sell the very same note to a third person who completes the foreclosure. 

Also it is very important to understand that you simply cannot do a full title searh in the land records. TItle companies check for deaths, divorces, bankruptcies, judegments etc. before insuring title. Many land records have very convoluted ways of indexing items. You might miss something due to not understanding that one type of search does not pull up a document. 

You wrote
       "but paying for every property can get spendy"

A big question is WHY do you want to do your own title search? Ther are very few situations where you need to do a full title search prior to taking action as an investor. 


 Thanks this is very helpful. So for case 3 (and other cases as well) it seems like the main thing here is to understand whether or not the mortgage being foreclosed on is the first position, if it is then the others don't matter as they will be wiped right?

The reason as to why is because I want to bid at auction. There are many properties and paying $150+ per property can get very expensive, especially since I will have to pay someone to drive by every property. Thats why if I can do title searches for most of them that would be great, then if there are maybe a few (such as the ones I posted) that are a little tricky I could pay for those only, but I'd still like to learn as much as possible.

Post: Help with title search

Luka JozicPosted
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I have been trying to learn how to do my own title search and for the most part I feel like it is fairly straight forward. But there are a few cases where I kind of am getting stuck and was hoping someone could help me clarify.

Case 1: The bank on the foreclosure doesn't match the bank on the mortgage

Searching at the fiscal officer here for property with parcel ID 64104010 and then I go to "Get Documents List" and I see the mortgage was through JP Morgan Chase.

Then I search for the foreclosure case at the clerk of courts and I it says the person is being foreclosed by NEWREZ LLC FKA NEW PENN FINANCIAL, LLC. Why is that and what does that mean? I see this is the case for many foreclosures so my assumption is that JP Morgan Chase sold the loan (or something of that nature)?

Case 2: Multiple mortgages

Parcel ID 78124031, for this one there are a bunch of open-end mortgages then in 2008 a new 30 year mortgage with Washington Mult BK for 92K, Im guessing this is a refinance with a new bank? Then in 2011 another 30 year mortgage with JP Morgan Chase, guessing this is the same thing. And lastly in 2018 a freddie mac flex modification agreement with Nationstar Mortgage LLC. At the Clerk of Courts on the case it says MCLP ASSET COMPANY, INC is foreclosing. So Im just very confused here if this is foreclosure is a first position and exactly what is going on here?

    Case 3: Liens and multiple foreclosures on the parcel

    For parcel ID 64111134, I cant seem to find the initial mortgage from the sale in 1999, but there is a subordinate mortgage for $7K from 2016 i.e. second position mortgage. Then there are a few loan modifications and lastly a partial claim mortgage. My issue with this one is that when I search the parcel ID on Clerk of Courts there are a bunch of cases coming up. Only the most recent one is the one listed on the auction site but does that mean that the older ones are not active? There also seems to be a child support lien but its a rather small amount and Im not sure if its wiped out or not.

    I understand that some will advice me to contact a title company to find this out, but paying for every property can get spendy and I would like to learn how to do this as best I can. However, if someone knows a title company that can do an unofficial/uninsured title search that doesn't cost like $150+ then please do share. Any help with this would be much appreciated. Thanks.

    Post: Need help estimating ARV for BRRRR

    Luka JozicPosted
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    Quote from @Brad S.:
    Quote from @Luka Jozic:
    Thank you for that this is exactly the post that I needed and I learned something about appraisals as well so really appreciate it. Based on the comps you shared, despite the fact that mine will be slightly nicer with all major systems repaired, my guess is that 130K is more likely than 140K. And 130K still probably more likely than 135K. Like Nicholas said, the return is not good enough for this amount of work. 

    A few more thoughts.

    I do like the 4144 Hyde Ave because it is the closest in quality and condition, to how yours WILL BE. So, if it was me, I may see a $140k or so, but again, someone who knows the neighborhood might have a different opinion. One issue is, that I am not seeing any other renovated duplex sales, so that leaves more up to the Appraiser's opinion, since there are less facts (i.e. data/sales, etc) which reflect how the market is valuing a renovated duplex. And it's difficult to argue with opinion. So, if you can find some more renovated duplexes in the general area, even just over a mile away (but similar neighborhood and market area), that may help give you a better idea of value. 

    On the rehab side, I do kinda agree with @Nicholas L.. The return % seems good, but the nominal amount seems low for the potential risk involved. Also, I didn't see if you said if you were experienced in rehabs, etc, or not. My other concern would be the full rehab only costing $42k. I don't know if that includes any contingencies or not. But, you are dealing with a 130yr+ old house, I imagine there could very easily be things an inspector or your contractor missed or can't see (inside walls, etc) and if you find those issues, that could easily throw off your rehab budget a TON! In my market, I have only dealt with 2 (maybe 3) ~100yr old properties, and at least 1 had a bunch of surprises within the walls, especially the bathrooms, where we had to reframe some walls, etc. We couldn't see those till the walls were opened. But, we had plenty of room in the deal, so it wasn't a big issue. In the photos of your Subject, a few of the acoustic ceilings look suspect, wavy, lines, etc. In my areas, that may be asbestos and may need remediation (not cheap, if done properly) and if it isn't, it still may need some work - scraping and finishing the ceiling, etc. that adds to the rehab costs. Or it may not need any of that, but those are the unknowns. So, as these risks go up, I personally, expect more of a potential reward from a deal.

    Using your #'s, purchase and rehab = $108k, which is about 77% of $140k (assuming a favorable appraisal). That's not terrible these days, but not good on the lower priced properties/areas, like this. Again, not much room for error here. 

    My approach would've been to come up with an offer # that worked well for you, maybe closer to $50k or so, and find comps to support that ( I thought I saw 1 or 2), and present them with the offer and let them know that is the highest and best. It has been on the market almost 3 months, my guess is people aren't banging down the door to get it, but, again, I dunno! 

    One thing I tell new investors is, How much is it worth TO YOU, to OWN someone else's problem/s. I personally have owned properties that anchored me down more than propped me up.

    Thanks for a very thorough response. We don't plan to open any walls and the things in the ceiling are not a huge concern and are included in the bid. That doesn't mean there can still be unexpected costs there certainly can and thats why I would like at least a little more wiggle room. Im not very experienced with rehabs but I do have a pretty solid contractor that I feel I can trust. But, maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea to maybe do a slightly smaller project before jumping on something this big.

    I did try to lower the price but the seller said hard no. But I agree for the amount of work and risk I would want a little more reward. If the appraisal were to come in at 140K and the return did end up being 25%+ that would of course be decent, but definitely not a home run in my opinion.

    The thing that keeps making me have doubts is that I do see good growth potential for this property long term. But to make it work I feel like the price needs to come down, if the seller wont accept it now maybe they will in a few months. 

    Post: Need help estimating ARV for BRRRR

    Luka JozicPosted
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    Quote from @Brad S.:

    First, as a certified appraiser and licensed broker, my opinions should not be relied upon for anything and are not offered here for anything other than general discussion and are not expressed here in a professional capacity at all. I know less than nothing about that market or the Subject property, etc, etc, etc. I also don't have data from the area and can only see zillow data.

    Now, with that said Here's my take:

    Your comps:

    4144 Hyde Ave - too far - over 1 mile from Subject

    7124 Clark Ave - large wrap-around porch, superior appeal, larger gla 2424sf (over 20% larger), has an additional bedroom, but it may be a moderate traffic street which may be an inferior location

    3411 W 91st S - also over a mile away

    Zillow comps

    3134 W 88th St - sold 4/6/23 @ $125k, within a mile, much larger at 3012sf, in avg-good condition, avg quality

    3127 W 70th St - active listing, $129,900, listed for 78 days, a stone's throw away, in avg-good condition, semi-upgraded possibly

    General guidelines are to stay within a mile from the subject for comps. There is no rule saying you HAVE to do that, but you need to explain why you deviated from it. Typically that would be because you couldn't find a reasonable comparable within the mile. I would probably use 4144 Hyde Ave, because 1 unit was renovated, and that may help to bracket your future renovated condition and quality, but that doesn't guarantee a higher appraised value. I could see a path toward the $140k, but my guess would be more in between 130-140k. And again, I know NOTHING about the area or market there and I don't get the proper data for that area. I don't know if there are differences in lot sizes and neighborhoods, etc. It also is a flip of the coin with which appraiser you get. I have had some bad appraisals on my own deals, so, you never know.

    Good luck

    Thank you for that this is exactly the post that I needed and I learned something about appraisals as well so really appreciate it. Based on the comps you shared, despite the fact that mine will be slightly nicer with all major systems repaired, my guess is that 130K is more likely than 140K. And 130K still probably more likely than 135K. Like Nicholas said, the return is not good enough for this amount of work. 

    Post: Need help estimating ARV for BRRRR

    Luka JozicPosted
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    Quote from @Nicholas L.:

    ...that all the work it needs and all the time it will take is worth going through with it, just to leave 25K+ in it.

    Agreed. I feel like I would need to get it around 60K for this to be worth it. 

    Post: Need help estimating ARV for BRRRR

    Luka JozicPosted
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    Quote from @Nicholas L.:

    @Luka Jozic

    you had a separate thread about this one going and i was skeptical... and still am =)


     What part are you skeptical about?

    Post: Need help estimating ARV for BRRRR

    Luka JozicPosted
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    Yeah its not bad and I think the growth potential is pretty good. But on the other hand I have two SFHs where I im getting around 15 and 19% ROI and they needed minimal work.

    With my current situation I save about 5K/mo for investing. So at the rate that I would like to buy properties I can not be leaving 25-28K in each deal. 

    Also considering the bid and price ended up a little higher than I was hoping, I would probably have to wait 2-3 months on the roof to save up, meaning all my cash would be tied up for a total of probably 5 months. Im really stretching myself to the limit on this one.

    Post: Need help estimating ARV for BRRRR

    Luka JozicPosted
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    Quote from @Jonathan R McLaughlin:

    25K left in the deal for how much yearly return after real expenses? Compare your ROI to other options for the money. 1 year treasury is 5%

    If it appraised around 130K it would be more like 25-28K left in the deal. At that price it would cash flow around $400/mo after expenses so like 17-19% ROI. For this big of a project which includes basically replacing everything AND lead remediation, I feel like thats pretty low. 

    However if it appraised around 140K, the ROI would be 25%+, which is what I think is more acceptable. 

    Post: Need help estimating ARV for BRRRR

    Luka JozicPosted
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    Quote from @Ben Firstenberg:

    Your comps look decent to me. I like that they're all recent trades. 

    I think if you're still unsure about it, try running a downside scenario. Find the worst 3 homes in the area that could still be considered comparable and see what those values are. If they're averaging $120k or more, I'd say probably you're in good shape. If it's more like $100k, maybe it's time to reconsider. 

    FWIW I am NOT an appraiser, but I have noticed that appraisers will sometimes find VERY recent trades that are VERY close by and go by Price/SF. So maybe try that analysis as well? Even if it means using SFHs as your comps. 

    I agree 25K seems a lot to leave in the deal. It's possible you won't do a whole lot better though. This is just such a tough market for BRRRRs

    I mean there are plenty selling below 100K but they are all in rougher shape. The ones in similar shape to what mine would be like is like 125K-155K. If it appraised at 130K I'd leave 25-28K in the deal and that feels fairly safe. If it appraised around 140K that would make me a lot happier but Im not fully sure it would. And thats also if nothing goes wrong and that the current tenants don't trash the place when moving out. 

    Post: Need help estimating ARV for BRRRR

    Luka JozicPosted
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    I recently posted about a property with lead citations and Im needing some help as Im struggling to make the numbers work. The address is 3119 W 68th Ave in 44102. Im in contract at 66K cash, my bid came in at 42K (which I think was really good). The following things would be done to the property. The citation is of course taken care of with these repairs.
    I will replace the roof, windows (lower windows already vinyl), new vinyl siding (lower half already done), refinish kitchen cabinets and counter top and new white/black appliances, refinish/replace bathroom tubs, fix electrical and add GCFIs where needed, patch and pain entire interior, keep kitchen floors, replace remaining floors with LVP, carpet in all 6 bedrooms. Also taking care of some other minor things from the inspection.

    Now my agent did a CRM but that was before deciding for vinyl and new roof. I also would like to get a second opinion here. Initially I thought around 130K but based on some other comps and the fact that almost everything will be new, Im hoping I could reach 140K+. Here are a few other comps for reference:
    https://www.trulia.com/p/oh/cl...
    https://www.trulia.com/p/oh/cl...
    https://www.trulia.com/p/oh/cl...

    With around 8K closing and refi costs Id be all in around 116K. At 130K I could only pull out 91K meaning Id have about 25K still left in the deal. I get that I can't expect to pull everything out but 25K left sounds a little much to me.