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All Forum Posts by: Joshua Poitras

Joshua Poitras has started 48 posts and replied 175 times.

Post: Lowell, MA Buy and Hold

Joshua PoitrasPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Lowell, MA
  • Posts 185
  • Votes 67

Investment Info:

Small multi-family (2-4 units) buy & hold investment.

Purchase price: $441,000
Cash invested: $20,000

An off- Market deal picked up from a friend at a good price. Bought with updated units and a very easy property to take care of.

What made you interested in investing in this type of deal?

Offered by a friend at a really good price.

How did you finance this deal?

FHA First Time Home Buyers Loan

How did you add value to the deal?

Evicted a drug dealer.

What was the outcome?

Cash Flowing Property $1,500 a month

Lessons learned? Challenges?

Pay attention to bubbles in drywall. Its a sign of water. Had to replace a wall because it took a year to evict the tenant and they wouldn’t allow access.

Post: Simplified’s NH Real Estate Meetup

Joshua PoitrasPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Lowell, MA
  • Posts 185
  • Votes 67

Back to our normal scheduled nights. Come out hang with us, have a few drinks and learn about cost segregation. This is the perfect time to consider how you will strategize doing your taxes this upcoming January! 

Post: Impromptu Simplified’s Real Estate Meetup

Joshua PoitrasPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Lowell, MA
  • Posts 185
  • Votes 67

Meet us Wednesday Night Oct 5th at the XO Bistro for an impromptu real estate meet up. We’ll discuss the do’s and dont’s of real estate investing. 

Post: Any Advice on the following - VA vs Conventional?

Joshua PoitrasPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Lowell, MA
  • Posts 185
  • Votes 67
Quote from @Ricardo T.:@Kyle Curtin

I have a multifamily I utilized my VA loan on which I refinanced at a 2.25% during Covid. I am looking at freeing up my VA entailment and refinancing into a 7/1 ARM at 5.0% . I would like to use my VA loan to purchase a Condo with no money down. Would you keep the Va loan on the investment property and use a conventional loan on the condo. Or would you refinance the VA loan, flip to the ARM and use the VA on the condo. The property is cash flowing around $1250 give or take after all expenses.

Current Mortgage Payment (Including taxes insurance): $2,200

New Mortgage Payment: $2,800 

Difference in monthly payment: $600

New Cashflow if refinanced -  $650

Cash needed if I had to use conventional on new Condo: 30-45k (5%down in the greater Boston Area)

For me, it really comes down to how much more in interest will it costs you over the life of the two loans. Since the VA loan interest rate is much higher right now, I would probably just keep my 2.25% and use the ARM to "tie-up" the condo until you can refinance in a much better rate. 2.25 on a 30 year is pretty nice and sounds like you'll preserve much more cash flow by using the temporary ARM to tie up the condo. Trust me I am in the same boat and almost pulled the trigger, I only did not because the new acquisition wouldn't have increased my cash flow enough to justify the increase in interest.

Post: 3rd Buy and Hold Acquired

Joshua PoitrasPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Lowell, MA
  • Posts 185
  • Votes 67

Investment Info:

Small multi-family (2-4 units) buy & hold investment.

Purchase price: $446,000
Cash invested: $30,000

Bought an Off-Market large 2 bedroom with many bedrooms and with an old illegal unit on the third floor. Renting out the 2 - 3 Bedrooms and Staying in the old unit when in town.

What made you interested in investing in this type of deal?

My goal was to add to my monthly cash flow by acquiring another multi-family.

How did you find this deal and how did you negotiate it?

A friend that was retiring was selling off his portfolio.

How did you finance this deal?

5% Down ARM Owner Occupied loan @ 3.25%

How did you add value to the deal?

No need, just cleaned up units. Already updated.

What was the outcome?

Acquired and Cash Flowing

Lessons learned? Challenges?

Tie things up when you have the opportunity, Market prices can increase fast.

Did you work with any real estate professionals (agents, lenders, etc.) that you'd recommend to others?

Triangle Credit Union

Quote from @Kerry Baird:

I'm updating this list frequently, as I added 2 new HELOC lenders today, and others are removed as they won't do them on investment properties any longer. There are a few in your area on my list. ~Kerry


Try local community bank or credit union for investment properties. PenFed FCU, TD Bank and US Bank are my best recommendations.

I've gleaned these lenders from the kind people on BP. I have used PenFed and TD Bank for HELOCs on investment property. Post back if you find another lender who serves you well, and I will add them to my list and pay it forward. These were largely sourced pre-CV19, so eat the fish and spit out the bones.

The DTI percentage range varies by lender, and is less than what you will find for an owner occupied property, due to lender risk. While qualifying for a HELOC is dependent on your home equity and your credit score, good or excellent credit makes it easier to qualify. A good average to shoot for is 620 or higher. Plus, the better your credit score, the better your interest rate.


Ridge Lending All in One, first position HELOC

AFCU does 80% LTV on NOO. Utah

Americafirst 80% LTV on noo 65% LTV Utah

Arvest Bank AR, OK, AL, MO

Bank of Souther California

Bank of West (BNP Paribas) 60% LTV CA, AZ

BB&T will loan on a rental portfolio

BBVA, now PNC

Bellwether NH and MA 85% to 100%, draw 10 yrs

BMO Harris, 3 HELOCs to 70% LTV

Boeing employee credit union

Cal Coast Credit Union, CA

Citizens Bank -Minnesota, only in-state. Kyle Potswald

Citizens first position HELOC

CMG Financial 70% LTV

Consolidated CCU, high LTV NOO LOC, OR, WA

East West Bank, up to 60% LTV with "no docs” San Fran area

Figure 80% on a rental, not in LLC

FirstBank CO and AZ 75% LTV

First Florida Credit Union https://firstflorida.cumortgag...

First Commonwealth

First Midwest, up to 90% Chicago area

First Tech Federal. Wester states. Up to 80% if FICO is over 780, no appraisal under $250k value.

First Republic - California

Fremont Bank, California

Fulton Bank

GFA Federal Credit Union 10 yr draw, 10 yr repay, MA

Granite State CU, NH 90-100%

Great Lakes Credit Union

Hanscom FCU, Florida

HSBC 70%, for premier clients only

Horizon, Kalamazoo Michigan

Huntington 75% LTV 5 yr IO product available. Someone reported 80%…need confirmation

Hurst Lending and Insurance Investment property HELOC in Texas. No seasoning. Bridge, portfolio, foreign national and other specialty loan products.

Key Bank, FLorida flexible lender, HELOCs on second
homes and rental properties. 90% LTV on primary.

Merchants Bank MN See Pavel Ushakov

Mountain America Credit Union in Utah, Idaho, Montana, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico. 85% LTV, promo rate of 1.99%. Can refinance an existing mortgage on investment property to a shorter term “Mini Mortgage.”

Navy Federal 80% LTV

Norway Savings Bank, Maine

PenFed - max 3 other properties, including primary. 80% LTV, prime + 1%, <4 properties

Quorum Federal Credit Union 80% LTV, owned by LLC is OK. Very flexible lender. NY. Tiffany Mazzoccoli. 2021

Red Canoe Credit Union, WA OR

Regions- yes HELOC but no LOC

River Bank & Trust, AL

SCCU Florida 80% LTV, 2.75% first year promo, not LLC

SECU NC 65% LTV rate 2.75% Oct 2021

Signature Federal Credit Union 75% LTV

Silvergate Bank

Sound CU "non-owner occupied HELOC, capped at $150K and interest rates are prime + 2%, 3% or 4%, based on credit, not to exceed 70% ltv.”

S&T Pennsylvania

TCF Bank

TD Bank 75% line with FICO about 740. Up to 4 properties.

TIAA Direct was EverBank

Torrey Pines Bank

Troy Bank & Trust, AL

Trustco

Union Bank, specializes in noo HELOC. KCMO, NE

Union Bank, MUFG.

Upstate Bank in Rochester NY, LOC up to 80%

US Bank 80%

Vectra Bank - Colo

Veritex, Texas HELOC

WellsFargo 60% LTV Up to 5 properties.

Workers Credit Union, MA 80-100%

WSFS...up to 70% on rental

Zions Bank, Utah


 Massive Value. Thank You!

Post: Out of State Investing Pros and Cons

Joshua PoitrasPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Lowell, MA
  • Posts 185
  • Votes 67
Quote from @Patrick Drury:

@Joshua Poitras
If you're not able to invest locally or are not able to get the returns, you are looking for you can look at other markets that fit that what you are looking for without moving there. 


 Yes, this is my new approach. time is more valuable, better to suck it up and invest long distance and build your business quicker in my opinion. 

Post: Out of State Investing Pros and Cons

Joshua PoitrasPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Lowell, MA
  • Posts 185
  • Votes 67
Quote from @James Wise:
Quote from @Joshua Poitras:

To my out-of-state investors, what do you believe are the advantages and disadvantages to out of state investing. Or even long distance investing? 


 The pro is going to be the ability to buy real estate when you may not be able to do so unless you go out of state. Lots of investors are priced out of their hometowns. The con is you're far away and presumably a lot less familiar with an out of town market vs your own.

Im all out west right now. Caps/COC to low on the eastern front. IMO of course. 

Post: Familiarity with Springfield, MA

Joshua PoitrasPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Lowell, MA
  • Posts 185
  • Votes 67

@Kyle Rich and others, I’ll have to check out closer to Wilbraham. 

I have noticed a trend in springfield though. A lot of people building brand new side by side duplexes. Hopefully that trend continues. Just steer clear of the concrete problem some people are having with properties that were build in 90’s early 2000’s. 
I actually end up locking something up in North adams I’m really excited about. 
min betting with the affordable prices and higher interest rates you may see some growth out there. 

Post: Simplified’s Real Estate Meet-Up

Joshua PoitrasPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Lowell, MA
  • Posts 185
  • Votes 67

Simplified’s Real Estate Meet-up. hosted by Candor Realty is this Thursday Night at the XO Bistro from 6:30-8:30. Topics of the night include house-hacking and property management. Come out and do some network and get involved in the community.