All Forum Posts by: Jonathan Greene

@Julio Velazquez In NY and NJ if I am looking for investments to hold and rent or even for house hacking for someone else, the train lines are my guide. Even an imperfect neighborhood on a train line with direct access to the city will be good as a rental. Renters can get 2x the square footage or more for the same price they would pay in Bushwick now.

@Julio Velazquez yeah, definitely harder for you, but it might just take a few more towns over. Since you are bordered by water and then Williamsburg is close, you have stocked 'hoods everywhere. Maybe if you venture further out in Queens and beyond. For NYers I sometimes suggest watching the Metro North train routes out. Most areas have blown up, but on the way there may be a couple stops left that make sense.

@Zayne Ruth if he has solid contacts there and the numbers work it would definitely be an upgrade to just blind investing OOS, but I would still always stay closer to home for a first one, even if it takes longer to find. The main reason is so you can learn. Investing OOS as a newcomer doesn't help you learn anything in real life and most investors who do well over time don't just evaluate markets, they know how everything works in a house or multi and what to look for whether they are in UT or TX.

If you are looking for a more hands-on local approach to this, I think the easiest way to find the next up and coming market is to find the hottest market in your area first. Then, track each next neighborhood to the E, W, N and S. See if those numbers are growing year-over-year, in sales at the same pace. Drive the areas to see where there are more renovations happening. Then when you think you've identified the next hot market where renovations are going on, move to the next one. That is the one where you will find upward growth longer-term, especially if you factor in the sites everyone talked about above. But I think it's safer to see and touch the areas and know for yourself why it's coming up. If you find out a Starbucks or Whole Foods is going into an area that isn't up yet, that market is ripe.

@Zayne Ruth are you saying you would move to house hack in this property and live in it? If so, then it's not OOS investing and in that case you would just need to target where you want to live and start searching, but it seems like you might want to invest OOS and stay where you are for your first investment. In that case, my advice is never to do that. Some succeed, more turnkey options, but all first-timers going OOS aren't making as much as they could be for the last point you brought up. If you haven't spent any time there, met people face-to-face, built relationships, you will never know who you can trust and will overpay for things from afar. When you say the market is dismal where you are? Why? Prices too high, no options, prices too low and no renters?

@Account Closed that's a great point as well. I made several Bro decisions when I was new, but I had the foresight to learn from it. No one is saying don't invest or all Bros are stupid, people are missing the obvious sarcasm built in because it touches a little too close to home, it's just that Bros need to chill before overspending on the advice of a couple Bros on the internet who want to sell them a course on how not to be broke. It's hilarious to me that sarcasm and satire is lost on so many when they will spend all day reading HALP posts and encouraging people to follow their dream when they only 5k to their name that they need to protect first and not invest yet.

This is the most meta-Bro post ever. This is peak Bro. You could have made the whole post without referencing me at all or slinging several personal insults. It's meta-Bro when you talk about a post bringing down BP and then trash the OP like a school boy in the post. You missed the point of the post.

New investor get way too much back patting and yessing along and that enables them to make terrible decisions. Many people are super-helpful on BP, but there are also MANY people selling coaching or their REI program and they encourage investors to follow any path the ends up with them getting money.

I don't think all posts need to be hearts and flowers for the journey because when the market takes a dive again, Bros are going to be in trouble because they are overextended and overencouraged to keep getting doors instead of building their first investment into something that flows better year after year. Everyone can't invest. Many people need to pump the brakes. Just because you think Broke is a Choice doesn't mean some people won't go broke by making the wrong choice.

We all don't have to agree, but if you can't find humor and respond to alleged negativity in other posts with your own post with an outright personal attack guised in the community aspect and obvious suck up to BP (including @ to the people who run it), you are just doing meta-Bro, bro. Are you trying to sell new investors on something perhaps?

And if BP was for beginners only, there would be no one to learn from.

@Meir Greenblatt you are so not a Bro Investor. Bro can't listen to all those podcasts. He puts it on in the background on 2x while he does his morning grooming. I've made plenty of bad buys earlier in my career, but if you can hang on to them long enough they will eventually be worth something most of the time, like that condo.

There is a sweet spot for lipstick flips into AirBnb rentals in areas where AirBnb is advantageous or seasonal. You can save by not planning on a full reno for resale of high-end annual rents and make it prettier and more functional for short-term rentals.

@Nick Moore valid point. I think the "all of my mistakes" posts are invaluable as well. To be honest, the satire and sarcasm is intended to decrease the expectation of the participation trophy. It's like someone who wants a REI coach, but only wants them to be nice and affirm all of their ideas. The truth is that bad investors ruin markets and deals and sometimes, actually a lot of the time, a newbie needs a sarcastic slap in the face more than encouragement to follow their dreams when the path to their dreams is paved with an unrealistic strategy and guru-speak.

@Nick Moore and @Account Closed, I get what you are saying, but if one post that is satire-based would have disrupted your entire real estate strategy and thrown you off course to quit, I think that's not the post's issue, it's how you feel about what you know at the time. There are core facts in here that should serve as a way to save a new investor from the pitfalls of rushing to a deal. If you read the forums enough you see first-timers salivating at a first deal when they haven't even seen it in person or seen any properties in person and that is not sound strategy. It's just a flex to become an investor. The ones who interact and listen will benefit. If you read it back then and asked some questions, I'm sure it would not have destroyed your REI confidence.