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All Forum Posts by: John Carbone

John Carbone has started 38 posts and replied 1079 times.

Post: Anyone seeing drastic drop in STR Bookings?

John CarbonePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Gatlinburg
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Quote from @Mark S.:

@Collin H. Same here. Premium cabin priced right is doing well, look-alike but very well appointed and private is down about 20%.

A lot of people have been mislead and have been convinced there is great wealth in STRs. There was - up to a couple years ago.

And the RV’s, yurts, and tents are down about 99 percent 

Post: City just stripped my STR license!

John CarbonePosted
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“Their line of questioning quickly pivoted to my daughter, where she goes to school, where i sleep”


this line of questioning for renting out your house to someone…sounds like nazi Germany when they went around to houses looking for Jewish people. 

Post: Anyone seeing drastic drop in STR Bookings?

John CarbonePosted
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Quote from @John Underwood:
Quote from @John Carbone:

The decline in the smokies has been felt by the bottom tier properties. ADR is down a bit for the better ones due to more supply than demand though. So far it seems to be healthy market, and may and September seem to be more seasonal now. My July numbers here surpassed all expectations though. I’m cautiously optimistic to see how end of august and September do though. 

My slow month is March. Jan and Feb have been doing better than March at our Cabin.
Sept is almost fully booked. I guess that Sept is peak leaf changing time frame? 
If you are booked for September now that is really good. The peak leaf is October. 

Post: City just stripped my STR license!

John CarbonePosted
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Quote from @Seth Kristian:

Im hoping to find a solution, so I'm hoping by putting this out there that i might have some luck with some of you more seasoned STR/Real Estate aficionados… After hosting exclusively with Airbnb for the last few years, the city of Denver just stripped my license away in the most ridiculous "hearing" I've ever witnessed, let alone been involved in. Its my only property and have maintained a 5 star rating since its first quarter and have over 300 ratings. Not bad for a lil bungalow! It was intended as a second income stream as i had a brick and mortar shop downtown where i was full time for 13 years. Cooties-19 shut my business down in March 2020, right as i made my way into the hospital and a much less anticipated and extended respite for the following year. My personal business was destroyed and i lost nearly every single client, but after the entire month of April 2020 had cancelled reservations, (thanks for "having our back" Airbnb) thankfully May picked right back up and i had some folks that stepped in to help me while i was away. After having the chance to get back to things in the summer of ‘21 and now as my only income, i had to rent another house to stay at so that i could continue with Airbnb, which up until now, is the only thing that saved me from losing my home.

Last December i renew the license as always, except anticipating a response in January this year turned into mid July when i was told it was denied and i could appeal and set a hearing date. Which occurred just yesterday. Another big shout out to Airbnb for freezing my calendar in Feb this year because Denver took its sweet A$$ time! Anyhow, Denver says that the property was not my primary address, and in the words of its attack dog, Linebarger Analytics, had reported that i was receiving mail at another address in late 2020, but failed to uncover the mail carrier which was bitten by a neighbors dog causing a subsequent halt to mail delivery for the entire block for nearly two months, ergo the need to forward the mail. Within that time i had rescinded the forwarding request and delivery commenced as normal. The report also failed to mention that, and added that for some unknown reason i stopped receiving mail just this last Dec ‘22.

As expected, during the hearing i had a stack of mail from the last 6 months as i queried where this idea had come from. There was some back and forth but in short time they realized that at no point was i ever receiving mail at another address other than when i had no choice. Their line of questioning quickly pivoted to my daughter, where she goes to school, where i sleep and questions for which any answer would never suffice the deaf ears of ideologues. 

Now, the meat of it…. Nowhere in the code will you find what "primary residency" actually means, but you will find what the directors interpretation of what it means, and for the purposes of STR REGULATIONS ONLY. Primary residency, as far as i can tell is used for tax and voting registration purposes only. It is not defined elsewhere and in spite of any glaring contradictions, the city, nor the 90lb suit they put in front of the camera to represent the DA's office can admit these contradictions because alas, they work in their favor. Honestly ill pretend for a minute that the Director (excise and license) sits upon the Supreme Court Artifice of STR and was duly elected to interpret city regulations as law. Can someone tell me how, with no limitations on how many days/nights a host can make their STR available each year, can the director ALSO claim that this is not a host's regular place of return if the host has no other "regular place of return" insofar as voting registration, tax purposes, receiving mail. This is just iterated as "elsewhere", and where if 51% or more nights out of the year are booked at this STR (and again, no limits on how many nights a host can make it available), then "elsewhere" supplants a primary address and your STR license thusly. Even when elsewhere has no address.

I sat quietly, remained composed and had politely posed these questions and instead of a reasonable and plain English response my feeble mind could understand i met the ire of ideologues. No quicker had the issue of addressing me, and in my own hearing about my primary address been forgotten but now both the suit and the judge in near perfect harmony revealed some of their cards by addressing Hosts at large and how WE are the problem and how we collectively are contributing to the housing crisis. It became crystal f'ing clear at this point that whether i had been guilty or not there was no way the city was letting me walk away (or stop the zoom call) with my STR license intact. This was their raison d'étre all along, and i went in prepared to fight an entirely different game! The hearing closed with a duet, parroting woes of the housing shortage and how "we all have to do our part"… Ill spare the you 10 additional pages it would take to transcribe the rage after hearing this statement bear its full weight upon the pan opposite of mine on the scale. Now my only source of income is gone, because in the opinion of the Ubermensch, er i mean Director, has the air of an investment.

So what are my options? Put house in a trust, file another LLC and apply for a new license? Sign a lease to a trustee and have them put a new STR license in their name? Either way i lose the last 5 years of work and reputation i built on a platform so prepared to stab its "partners" in the back. Oh yea… Airbnb made sure to outfit the city with messages with guests, reviews, photos and i believe (possibly) geolocation data collected when using the app. None of which would strike me as prime facie evidence unless the court had put the defendant in a position to defend a negative, something unfamiliar to Americans, though perhaps should mull over the possibility of something to get used to.

If you made it this far, heck ya! You rock and thanks so much for letting me take up your time. Any input would be greatly appreciated! 

Sell the property at presumably a peak price in your market and do not buy a STR in a major city again.

Post: Anyone seeing drastic drop in STR Bookings?

John CarbonePosted
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The decline in the smokies has been felt by the bottom tier properties. ADR is down a bit for the better ones due to more supply than demand though. So far it seems to be healthy market, and may and September seem to be more seasonal now. My July numbers here surpassed all expectations though. I’m cautiously optimistic to see how end of august and September do though. 

Post: What to ask a new STR co-host?

John CarbonePosted
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Airbnb has made it easy and popular for people to essentially run a property management company on their platform and they take a cut (20 percent) but still do the functionality of what a PM would do with their own business. Some are doing it licensed and most aren’t. From an accounting standpoint though they collect the fee directly from Airbnb and no money exchanges directly between owner and PM. 

Post: Land Financing Options for possible Glamping / Multiple Tiny Home location

John CarbonePosted
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Quote from @Mandy Groom:
Where on marketplace?! I'm in the market for a few of them lol 

Quote from @Leslie Anne Morris:

It really depends on the HOA, they are not all created equal. Some are great, some are horrible, and some are somewhere in the middle I guess. It's hard to tell until you buy and experience it for awhile. As an investor I prefer to buy cabins that are secluded and have no HOA associated with them. But I do own a couple and manage several that are in HOAs. It's best to read the bylaws, play by the rules, but also get to know who the contact is at the HOA and don't p*ss them off.

 I agree, as an investor especially in the smokies it’s best to avoid HOAs. Being in a secluded area offers more of a feel of being in the smokies and you don’t need to worry about neighbors. Almost all of the new development is in these communities with subdivision cabins jammed close together because of how expensive it is now to excavate land and bring in utilities. Now and into the future the secluded properties will be the winners. 

HOA'a can amend bylaws and what was once legal to operate a STR can change. I used to live in an HOA for my primary and they are just a pain to deal with and enforcement is so arbitrary.


Post: Land Financing Options for possible Glamping / Multiple Tiny Home location

John CarbonePosted
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Quote from @Collin Hays:

What the heck is glamping?

Glamping is a portmanteau of "glamorous" and "camping", and describes a style of camping with amenities and, in some cases, resort-style services not usually associated with "traditional" camping.

domes, yurts, cabins without modern amenities…the ones you see empty on vrbo and Airbnb in the smokies right now and listed on marketplace for sale.

Post: What to ask a new STR co-host?

John CarbonePosted
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Quote from @Jesse Turner:

What should you ask a co-host/property manager when they offer to list, market, maintain, and turnover guests for 20% of gross revenue?

Are they local
are they licensed
how much experience do they have 
do they have contractors and handymen
any extra service fees 

id want to see a sample of a yearly report