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All Forum Posts by: Jared DeValk

Jared DeValk has started 7 posts and replied 74 times.

Post: Re: looking for a word of wisdom and leads for investing in Nashville and Duram

Jared DeValkPosted
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Not necessarily. I have found quite a few opportunities near there, just not on the MLS. be sure that you're working with someone that aligns with your investment strategy and your goals.

Post: Unscrupulous Wholesalers

Jared DeValkPosted
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Originally posted by @Steve B.:
What does her being black have to do with anything?

It's the truth. I guess it's not relevant, just like you pointing it out has nothing to do with this discussion.

Post: Unscrupulous Wholesalers

Jared DeValkPosted
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Originally posted by @Chris Martin:
Originally posted by @Chris K.:
Originally posted by @Jared DeValk:
I don't necessarily want to bypass him. I want wholesalers to get paid, but what I don't want is for an elderly black woman to be ripped off especially when this guy is a licensed agent. I'll pay him for bringing the deal, I just don't want to deal with his BS anymore and want the owner to understand what we are going through.

How is she being ripped off? Why does the owner need to know what you are going thru? I agree that the guy sounds like an ahole to deal with but you somewhat sound like you want to sabatoge his deal because you don't like dealing with him. I'm not taking up for him but I just don't see how you're saying that she is being ripped off.

Unfortunately, sometimes people see money and get what I generally call 'commission breath'. They realize they have an elderly person as seller, they realize they can manipulate, and they start talking. The licensed realtor may have dropped that word, Realtor, and the seller may not even know this is "self dealing". Fast talking, maybe a better term. The get to person to sign a contract. Let's say for $15,000. Then the realtor shops it at $30,000. (Edit: these are not contrived... they are actual numbers for a property in my area...)

The argument is... 'is this just capitalism?' What are the rules for licensed people regarding 'protecting the public?' Brokers, IMO, shouldn't self deal. If they get the license, then act like a broker. Don't broker here... and self deal there... whichever gets the most return for you based on someone's ignorance.

Amen Chris! Most Realtor who wholesale do not realize the fact that they walk a fine line when they do not disclose. They could be sued and lose their license if an elderly woman discovered the spreads that the agent made on a deal like you spoke of. It's the same reason why we have the FDCPRA, Usury Laws and consumer protection laws.

Post: Unscrupulous Wholesalers

Jared DeValkPosted
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Originally posted by @Chris K.:
Originally posted by @Jared DeValk:
I don't necessarily want to bypass him. I want wholesalers to get paid, but what I don't want is for an elderly black woman to be ripped off especially when this guy is a licensed agent. I'll pay him for bringing the deal, I just don't want to deal with his BS anymore and want the owner to understand what we are going through.

How is she being ripped off? Why does the owner need to know what you are going thru? I agree that the guy sounds like an ahole to deal with but you somewhat sound like you want to sabatoge his deal because you don't like dealing with him. I'm not taking up for him but I just don't see how you're saying that she is being ripped off.

I understand and believe in the value of wholesalers and the quick sale. However, if you agree to wholesale a property and then you do not secure a buyer because you're trying to sell a property way over priced (100% over in this situation), the property will take too long to sell which will eliminate the value of the quick sale (because it won't be one at that point) which means she would've been better off listing with an agent at that point. No value is given if the property sits, hence the "getting ripped off". The sad thing is that this guy is an agent and "has been doing this since 1986".

Post: Unscrupulous Wholesalers

Jared DeValkPosted
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Originally posted by @Ned Carey:
Lately my experience is that kind of thing comes from new wholesalers that just don't know what they are doing. The generally won't last long. When the market was super hot years ago those kinds of guys could make a living off dumb money.

If the wholesaler has the deal under contract, trying to go around the wholesaler is known as "interference with contract" and is a tort that they could sue you over. On the other hand if he doesn't have a contract, then legally you could go make your own deal. I have never done that because feel like the person who brings you the deal deserves to be compensated. That is the kind of reputation I have and want to continue to build.

However you can argue that a jerk offering a bad deal with no contract doesn't deserve to be compensated.

I agree Ned, even Jerks that do the work deserve to be paid. Just thought that the homeowner should know what's going on.

Post: Unscrupulous Wholesalers

Jared DeValkPosted
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  • Nashville, TN
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I don't necessarily want to bypass him. I want wholesalers to get paid, but what I don't want is for an elderly black woman to be ripped off especially when this guy is a licensed agent. I'll pay him for bringing the deal, I just don't want to deal with his BS anymore and want the owner to understand what we are going through.

Post: Unscrupulous Wholesalers

Jared DeValkPosted
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  • Nashville, TN
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I have some investors that I'm good friends with that asked me to find deals for their rehabbing. I know them well and they have just been approved for an unlimited total line of credit for rehabs, but a per deal purchase limit of $150,000.

Regardless, I had a wholesaler send me a deal that I had never worked with before. They said that the property is available (including their fee) for $66K and it needs $20K of rehab (HA!). ARV is going to be $119,000 minimum so it looked pretty attractive for my investors. Carpet has been ripped out and the place was cleaned out from a hoarder that rented there previously.

We take a look at the property and the first thing we see is a condemned sign on the front. Cracks in Stucco all over the house. It's a 3/2 1250sqft that still has the carpet in it. All that being said, it needs close to $50K-$60K for the rehab which puts us in the neighborhood of $30,000. We call the city inspector up for the condemnation (truly a nice guy) and we mention the property to him. He said that he talked to a man not that long ago claiming to have a contract and earnest money for the property. He was very rude to the inspector and he told the guy that the owner would need to show up to the property with ID in hand in order for him to lift the condemnation.

I contacted the wholesaler and relayed my findings and he began to get snappy with me. He tried to tell me that homes were going for $139K-$149K, to which I said, "I'm a Realtor as well, and I obviously was not looking at the same comps that you are," (I looked at all the comps for the neighborhood, that price wasn't there). He then began to tell me that we were just a backup anyways and that they were already working a contract for the property (Ok, now I'm pissed). I gave him the offer and said that's where we're at, call me if you want to do a deal.

We understand that wholesalers need to make money, but I have a feeling that he is trying to rip the homeowner off. What are your thoughts on bypassing the wholesaler and going straight to the owner? BTW, he's not on BP, so he must be unscrupulous!

Post: Nashville, TN new member

Jared DeValkPosted
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Welcome! Are you actively pursuing your next deal, if so, where is your focus? @Lindsay M.

Post: What are your wholesaling ratios?

Jared DeValkPosted
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Originally posted by @Thomas Fortune:
Jared DeValk - you have 1/4 contracts close? 75% of your contracts DONT close? Seems like I must be misinterpreting here...a little help?

You are correct. I have had sellers back out after a contract has been signed and some of the properties have had more issues than I expected that made it unmarketable at the prices that we needed (owner financing wasn't on the table as well).

Post: What are your wholesaling ratios?

Jared DeValkPosted
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Originally posted by @Shariyf Grevious:
@Jared are you saying that you need 560 phone calls to yield one deal closed?

Using a generous 10% response rate on a yellow letter campaign that would mean you would need to mail at least 5600 people to get one deal. I know that I'm way off that's why I'm asking for clarification

Yes, that's why I'm trying to get some ratios from experienced wholesalers so that I can see where I need to improve my business.