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All Forum Posts by: Jay Hinrichs
Jay Hinrichs has started 323 posts and replied 41268 times.
Post: the land method - gold coaching

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Quote from @Mike H.:
Just curious but how much did you pay for this "gold" coaching and how much did you actually make on the deal?
To me, the land flipping game is absolutely dead right now. Just too much saturation. When I got into it four or five years ago there were about 3 training programs. Now there are 10 or 20 times that if not more.
I think the people doing training have hit the wall too and they're struggling to do land deals like before so they're all trying to make money off training instead.
I've put my land investing on hold here for the last year or so. I'm lucky I fell into new construction a couple of years ago because I'm just not seeing the opportunities in investing right now that there were 15, 10 and even 5 years ago.
But I definitely wouldn't tell anyone to go into land flipping right now. Two years ago, I was telling everyone it was the best thing out there. Gotta keep looking for the next niche where the numbers work.
Mike I think its got a lot to do with location etc.. I fund a few land flippers.. One in particular is really killing it right now and has been since I started funding his deals almost 2 years ago. he cast a wide net though no doubt. But he is very very good at this.. Most that come to me for funding of land deals are not nearly as sharp as this guy is.. I personally grew up in the land bizz and have been trading land buying selling developing building for almost 50 years we do go in cycles no doubt. I think what hampers a lot of folks starting out is they simply do not have access to cash like I provide.. U know quick close all cash no BS.. I know thats not you. but it is most that start out in land flipping limited capital and finding money for land flips can be a chore for sure.. its a very specialized niche that those of us that fund land. there are hundreds if not thousands of lenders for fix and flip but not many for land only.
My high volume guy works 7 or 8 states. I suspect he will make over 500k cash in hand this year for the deals I fund for him and could possibly do 750k. Now not sure what his overhead is to get to that number suspect 10k a month or so for marketing. then the other factor is he is VERY GOOD on the phone and closing deals. Thats the key.
I also fund land flippers that are doing subdivisions ( entitlement work) And when those cook off the profits are Millions.. I mean on some of those deals I dont think anyone on BP would believe me if I told them how much my client will make.. And well not a bad deal for us either as his captial partner.. These are WA DC deals HIGH VALUE land were the lots are 250 to 500k once created.
Post: Incomplete new builds in Cape Coral FL

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Quote from @Stephen Morales:
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @Stephen Morales:
Quote from @Susan Swanson:
Hi Jay,
There was definitely FOMO! I believe there were good underlying intentions, but when greed took over, it set the stage for investors being misled. There were people getting pictures of close to finished properties that weren't theirs just to keep the charade going. This intention was pure deceit. Thankfully, I am boots on the ground here in SWFL for my investors. I literally go take pictures & video of the properties with the address clearly showing. Infrastructure has to be in place and this is what all these impact fees are for. It would be nice if all builders had your same knowledge and integrity. Fortunately, there are many with this level of integrity and more due diligence is necessary and aligning with the right people and companies.
Do you see Lehigh Acres being overbuilt?
There is certainly an oversupply of lots going on the market. I feel like I get an off market lot from Lehigh every couple of days. As far as I know they have been experiencing infrastructure issues for some time now
infrastructure issues from the day they recorded the subdivision platts. those lots have traded at tax sale and foreclosures for decades now.. just like many areas like it in other parts of the country.. just watch Glen Garry Glen Ross to see how those parcels were orginally sold.. that movie is dead on accurate. Plus its a classic.. Coffee is for Closers :)
IT TAKES BRASS BALLS TO SELL REAL ESTATE! xD Man I love that movie lol.
well I grew up in that Movie my Dad worked as a land salesmen in the early 60s and he brought me along with him.. as a salesmen you got 2 or 3 leads a week.. company provided.. well hard to make a living iwth that few leads.. My dad decided to self gen his leads.. much like you wholesalers self gen leads today.
he bought a printing press I printed off door hangers after school and then my mom drove us to neighborhoods and we physically handed out the flyers door to door. I would get 3 of my buddies that all wanted to make 5 bucks that day.. Of course could never do that today a bunch of 10 year olds walking through neighborhoods. but that led to my Dad getting 10 to 20 leads a week and within a year he was top sales men and in two years started his own land business of which at 18 I got my RE license and started selling dirt..
In 1984 I was on a CA senate sub committee dealing with antiquated subdivisions that are all over Ca as well as the West and FLA.. we had a big convention in Ft. Myers and toured Le high with the local planners.. so I have some pretty unique experience and knowledge of the area. And that market crashed like a lot of FLA in 08 I was buying brand new homes at courthouse in Lehigh for 30 to 50k each never lived in.. Had to watch out for Chinese drywall though. Same house are what 250 to 350k today.. but that is a boom bust market if there ever was one.
Post: Incomplete new builds in Cape Coral FL

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Quote from @Stephen Morales:
Quote from @Susan Swanson:
Hi Jay,
There was definitely FOMO! I believe there were good underlying intentions, but when greed took over, it set the stage for investors being misled. There were people getting pictures of close to finished properties that weren't theirs just to keep the charade going. This intention was pure deceit. Thankfully, I am boots on the ground here in SWFL for my investors. I literally go take pictures & video of the properties with the address clearly showing. Infrastructure has to be in place and this is what all these impact fees are for. It would be nice if all builders had your same knowledge and integrity. Fortunately, there are many with this level of integrity and more due diligence is necessary and aligning with the right people and companies.
Do you see Lehigh Acres being overbuilt?
There is certainly an oversupply of lots going on the market. I feel like I get an off market lot from Lehigh every couple of days. As far as I know they have been experiencing infrastructure issues for some time now
infrastructure issues from the day they recorded the subdivision platts. those lots have traded at tax sale and foreclosures for decades now.. just like many areas like it in other parts of the country.. just watch Glen Garry Glen Ross to see how those parcels were orginally sold.. that movie is dead on accurate. Plus its a classic.. Coffee is for Closers :)
Post: The #1 Funding Challenge Real Estate Investors Face—And How to Overcome It

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Quote from @Virgil Moore:
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @Virgil Moore:
Quote from @Don Konipol:
“One of the most powerful (yet underutilized) tools is business credit card stacking. It allows investors to access $50K–$250K in 0% interest funding—without putting personal assets at risk.”
So, for anyone who doesn’t completely understand, the above is part of the OPs original “post”/advertisement concerning business credit cards . As can be seen, he states that borrowing money via business credit cards does NOT place a borrower’s personal assets at risk. The issue is that this is just plain incorrect. The borrower signs a personal guarantee, which, in the event of default places all of their assets, including personal assets, at risk of being forfeited. When confronted with this, the OP chose to provide a convoluted reason as to why this risk was somehow less risky than providing specific collateral. In actuality this is more risky; with specific collateral, such as real property, the lender must hold a foreclosure sale and only the DEFICIENCY amount is subject to judgement; in most cases the borrower can sign a”deed in lieu” and receive a release from any additional liability. In an unsecured loan there is no property to liquidate; the lender will just obtain a judgement for the principal, back interest, legal fees, late fees, and costs and the borrower will owe that amount. Again, a totally incorrect statement by the OP.
Let me also state that I have been active on BP since 2009. I’ve seen many different types of participants. The ones most active across ALL forums always speak the truth as they see it. They maintain no bias to promote whatever aspect of real estate they’re involved in. They feel that by being truthful, with timely, sage advice their contribution will be recognized, and any business generated as such is merely a bonus.
Another type of participants is one whose first post is some kind of ad for a service or product they happen to be selling. Characteristically their posts read like an AI generated Google page, or a slick website from a Guru. The answer to any problem is the service they sell, whether it be life insurance, credit card stacking, subject to financing, hard money loans, wholesaling, or the even crazier versions, like “infinity banking” etc. It’s not that the service itself or method isn’t legit, it’s that misinformation usually concerning risks, applicability, pricing, etc. is being spread. When called out they ALWAYS resort to personal attacks, name calling, and convoluted reasoning.
If you go look at my VSL I speak about having to PG, you both are so worked up you must not be making any money. So you’re mad at me.
Do either of you know anybody personally (with proof) that has lost their assets from credit card debt?
You sound like a hypocrite for one because it doesn’t matter what funding option somebody chooses to use, there is a chance that the investment will or won’t work, that’s risk. That’s what being an entrepreneur is all about. You should know, you’re a hard money lender. And you don’t have to explain what debt collectors do, everyone knows debt is bought and sold. You’re making yourself look crazy but even saying what you’re saying.
LOL hypocrite maybe but what i posted is reality.. all debt carries risk some just carries more risk than others .. and unsecrued CC debt is some of the highest risks no doubt. But I am sure you will have credit challenged and cash challenged contact you to help them scale and I am sure some will succeed and others will crash and burn .. as you note this can happen with anyone
Post: Why Class D/Section 8 returns are not as good in Real Life vs on Paper - Real example

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Quote from @Lucas Thomas:
Now you are just embarrassing yourself.
Did you know... uh.... if .... uh ..... that... doc prep...
You take care.
L. Thomas
Lucas you obviously have not done deals in PA or Baltimore city or the like .. transaction costs to third parties are very high like Stuart talks about its not the same in many other markets.. but PA and BAlt is easy 5k per transactions just to pay state and city transfer tax's school tax etc.
Post: Why Class D/Section 8 returns are not as good in Real Life vs on Paper - Real example

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Quote from @Lucas Thomas:
Quote from @Stuart Udis:
There’s no such thing as a passive investment in a “D” neighborhood if you’re the owner. I also don’t believe anyone suggested in this thread that cash flow is not important. Cash flow is important to the extent it covers expenses and provides reserves in order to obtain favorable debt.
An investor who understands market fundamentals and invests in the correct markets will outperform the investor who purchases real estate in stagnant D neighborhoods.Thats the reality.
Another factor not discussed is the disposition process of lower tier real estate. These transactions are disproportionately impacted by transaction fees as well and the only “natural buyer” is another investor often in markets with endless supply of similar product which impacts pricing dynamics. Usually these are properties with paper equity that never translates at time of sale. But I doubt I’ll get someone who can’t seem to acknowledge lower value real estate is disproportionately more expensive to operate to buy into this either….
Silly Stuart.
You operate in a state that doesn't inflate like mine do.
My "D" properties are worth way more than your "A+" Townhomes. :)
And I bought them for nothing (Meth Dens) over the last 15 years.
And the operational costs are cheaper because I don't have to make anything pretty.
You just want to die on this hill don't you?
But seriously... I'm out.
Toodeloo.
P.S.
Don't be mad that people like me exist and make passive income on "D" areas.
Toodles!
Dude, your experience posted on your wall is quite amazing.. everything is 1mil with 250k down and 10k a month or 100k purchase with 20k down and 2k a month.. also you say you are realtor a lender a note buyer etc etc.. pretty amazing
And the markets you say you own or work in D class are basically less valuable than Stuarts D class dollar wise.. I think folks need to take a grain of salt with the things you post myself I am suspect .. Stuart has been a benefical member of BP for years and I know he knows his market and what he describes is true. Myself I rent our funds out to BRRR folks and flippers in all the markets you describe in your bio. And have done over 4k transactions including Philly.. Now to be fair I have not done anything in NM . But I do track some of the RE there as folks come to me to fund deals there so not a market I am interested in these days.
But we are entitled to our opinions.. I personally drank the D class coolaid as a landlord and bought about 300 of them in many of the markets you are in. I exited them within 24 months.. Management was just too intense and there are better things to do with our capital like renting our money or building new homes and selling them to home owners.. But I realize BP has a lot of starter investors that just want to buy a rental or a few for long term investments.. And I think personally all the markets your in this can be done but I do recommend buying at the median home price and above for the out of area small investor to have the greatest chance of long term success..
Post: The #1 Funding Challenge Real Estate Investors Face—And How to Overcome It

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Quote from @Virgil Moore:
Quote from @Don Konipol:
“One of the most powerful (yet underutilized) tools is business credit card stacking. It allows investors to access $50K–$250K in 0% interest funding—without putting personal assets at risk.”
So, for anyone who doesn’t completely understand, the above is part of the OPs original “post”/advertisement concerning business credit cards . As can be seen, he states that borrowing money via business credit cards does NOT place a borrower’s personal assets at risk. The issue is that this is just plain incorrect. The borrower signs a personal guarantee, which, in the event of default places all of their assets, including personal assets, at risk of being forfeited. When confronted with this, the OP chose to provide a convoluted reason as to why this risk was somehow less risky than providing specific collateral. In actuality this is more risky; with specific collateral, such as real property, the lender must hold a foreclosure sale and only the DEFICIENCY amount is subject to judgement; in most cases the borrower can sign a”deed in lieu” and receive a release from any additional liability. In an unsecured loan there is no property to liquidate; the lender will just obtain a judgement for the principal, back interest, legal fees, late fees, and costs and the borrower will owe that amount. Again, a totally incorrect statement by the OP.
Let me also state that I have been active on BP since 2009. I’ve seen many different types of participants. The ones most active across ALL forums always speak the truth as they see it. They maintain no bias to promote whatever aspect of real estate they’re involved in. They feel that by being truthful, with timely, sage advice their contribution will be recognized, and any business generated as such is merely a bonus.
Another type of participants is one whose first post is some kind of ad for a service or product they happen to be selling. Characteristically their posts read like an AI generated Google page, or a slick website from a Guru. The answer to any problem is the service they sell, whether it be life insurance, credit card stacking, subject to financing, hard money loans, wholesaling, or the even crazier versions, like “infinity banking” etc. It’s not that the service itself or method isn’t legit, it’s that misinformation usually concerning risks, applicability, pricing, etc. is being spread. When called out they ALWAYS resort to personal attacks, name calling, and convoluted reasoning.
If you go look at my VSL I speak about having to PG, you both are so worked up you must not be making any money. So you’re mad at me.
Do either of you know anybody personally (with proof) that has lost their assets from credit card debt?
Post: Impact of International Travelers Cancelling US Travel

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Quote from @Dan H.:
Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:
Quote from @Dan H.:
Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:
Quote from @Carolyn Fuller:
Quote from @Lauren Kormylo:
I don't have international guests. But this absolutely will affect international travel. I have family and friends in Canada who regularly visit the US, and they've cancelled all trips for the foreseeable future, they are hopping mad. I don't know how much this will affect guests from other countries, but it is bound to. I hope since your guests come mainly for the school there, you'll be spared a lot of it.
Unfortunately, this administration is at war with universities and scientific research and I rely heavily on Harvard & MIT which are taking major hits. They have already frozen hiring and I suspect that means there will be fewer visiting scholars. That certainly feels like what is happening, given the fact that our MTR inquires are way down and we haven't leased the full calendar year.
There are 4 legs of our retirement income and 3 of them are under threat (Stock Market, Rental Income, Social Security).
I agree that we really don't know what will happen with Social Security but Musk has certainly been rattling his chainsaw.
We know what is happening to the stock market but some people think it is short term pain and others fear a recession. I'm a lot less sanguine than @Bruce Woodruff but I also am in wait and see mode.
And I know for a fact that my rental income is taking a major hit. It now just depends upon how large a hit. So far, I know we will be down by at least by $6000 this year.
Sigh...
And the Stock Market and Social Security are not under any threat. Once the economy settles down from the tariffs and all of these fraud and waste exposures, we (the US) will be rolling again. Just be patient. you will be fine, and I wish you the best!
the S&P 500 has lost ~$5.25 trillion in 3 weeks which is the worst since the Covid decline.
what is occurring with DOGE is people with no domain knowledge are looking for fraud and determining who loses their job. They are doing this without regard to the legality or costs. My analogy is if your banker came to your job site to inspect the quality of work. The banker may be intelligent, but he has no domain knowledge.
as the saying goes, I am expecting a bumpy ride. I am fortunate to be financially diversified.
time will tell, but I do not share your confidence and my basis is based on trump’s financial track record.
Best of luck to everyone
Well, you're certainly entitled to your opinion, I'm sure that you realize that your views are a product of your filters. Most/many successful business people have had bankruptcies (Ray Kroc comes to mind). As someone who grew up outside of DC with parents/neighbors.friends who worked in that mess, it was obvious to anyone even back then that, let's say 'half' the people working there were incompetent, lazy or crooked.
It will take a while and will have some unpleasant periods, but nonetheless it must be done. I fail to see how anyonne cannot agree that we need to cut at least some waste and fraud.
One of the FB groups that I frequent is a hiking group. It amazes me how many of these folks are screaming because there are some NAtional PArk Rangers that got fired. Now they can't have a guided hike, they have to go by themselves (for a while). They just scream about the cuts and seem to have zero clue as to what is going on with our country and the deficit. (Note, someone with some sense finally postedthe actual numbers - 1000 Park Rangers have been fired from over 400 Parks....do the math..that's 2.5 rangers per park. You;re telling me that we cano't get by with that reduction? This is just one example out of many.
Everybody suck it up and stay happy and positive!
>you're certainly entitled to your opinion,
Nothing I posted is opinion. Trump is associated with at least 6 bankruptcies, the first tax return to go public showed he had the most negative income in the US, THE S&P is down ~$5.25 trillion in last 3 weeks, and DOGE is comprised of employees with no domain experience. Which of these do you believe to be opinion?
>Most/many successful business people have had bankruptcies (Ray Kroc comes to mind).
I would like to see your source that many/most business people are associated with a bankruptcy. Bonus if you can find anyone other than Trump associated with 6 bankruptcies. I agree people are associated with bankruptcies but believe it is a small percent. I believe it is a much smaller percentage that is associated with multiple. I believe you are in rare company to be associated with at least 6 bankruptcies.
>It should be clear to anyone that we need to do some serious trimming of the Gov't fat.
I believe the debt was too high and it had to be addressed. I also believe in separation of powers. Congress has the power of the purse. The proper way for this to occur is congress decides on the budgets to trim or the taxes to be increased. The departments with domain expertise decides how to best meet their budget still providing the service the public needs.
Congress is abdicating its responsibility and letting the executive branch do this craziness. The cuts are not about saving money. If it was the oversite that generates money would not have been among the first let go. In addition they would have calculated in the costs of the layoffs and legal battles. Layoffs of people with employment contracts that state they can be let go for performance reasons and stating virtually all of them are being let go for performance regardless of their employee reviews is clearly not in line with the employees contracts. These will be costly reductions.
It is about dismantling the government.
>- 1000 Park Rangers have been fired from over 400 Parks....do the math..that's 2.5 rangers per park. You;re telling me that we cano't get by with that reduction?
I am not sure the source of your numbers. Can you post the source! Have you been to a national park in the last couple weeks? I go out a lot (most years I camp more than 30 days and some years I camp more than 60 days). Grand Canyon wait time recently to enter the park was 1.5 hours. I heard the number of employees for manning the gates at south entrance but forget the exact numbers. This weekend I was at Red Rock Canyon. It has been on a quota for a while so the wait was not bad but slightly poor (2 gates were open). I feel rangers in NPs work. I felt the wait line to talk to rangers in NP/NM visitor centers was already too long. I will say that at a remote forest ranger station I encountered 2 employees that I thought were dead weight (story is too long to post), but that has been the exception rather than the rule. It is my belief the back country rangers were already too few.
To bring this back to RE, there are government leased buildings (I did not actually count the number but ~10 leases) in the San Diego area that the government wants to break the lease and not pay their obligation (similar to what X did) . The issue is X fighting to break their contracts in a legal system just has the ramification to not trust X to abide by their contracts. If the government cannot be counted on to honor their contracts the ramifications is large as it creates distrust. What confidence is there that fed bonds will be paid? What about other fed debt? What about other fed contracts being honored? I am not associated in any way with any of the building the government is trying to break their lease But as an RE investor prior to now, I would have paid a premium for a building with a lease to fed government high quality tenant. Similarly, previously, a fed government tenant would get my best terms due to what previously had been a highly reliable tenant. They basically have squandered that benefit.
We seem to disagree on how things are getting done. We both hope everything works out, but I think it will not. I think we are in for a rough ride. Time will tell.
I would bet the government leases are like most commercial leases and have buyout provisions so they can be cancelled by paying a fee.. of course this wont be talked about.. Just sayin that is what I have seen with commercial office leases
Post: Incomplete new builds in Cape Coral FL

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Quote from @Susan Swanson:
Hi Jay,
There was definitely FOMO! I believe there were good underlying intentions, but when greed took over, it set the stage for investors being misled. There were people getting pictures of close to finished properties that weren't theirs just to keep the charade going. This intention was pure deceit. Thankfully, I am boots on the ground here in SWFL for my investors. I literally go take pictures & video of the properties with the address clearly showing. Infrastructure has to be in place and this is what all these impact fees are for. It would be nice if all builders had your same knowledge and integrity. Fortunately, there are many with this level of integrity and more due diligence is necessary and aligning with the right people and companies.
Do you see Lehigh Acres being overbuilt?
Lehigh is not over built it just has MASSIVE lot supply one could never develop a community like that was.. it was done pre rules and regulations.. supply demand dictate values as we know.. I mean you know you look at a block and there might be what 4 or 5 houses out of a block of 50 lots the rest vacant ? right ? what happens when each lot is built on will be grid lock as the primary roads were never required to be built to accommodate full build out.
Post: Milwaukee’s median sale price jumped 20% year over year in February

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Quote from @Marcus Auerbach:
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
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Hmm. We have a new USPS-lady from Texas and she said her friends back home recommended Milwaukee, which I found interesting, but considered a one-of. But maybe its not? Next years migration reports will tell
Texas draws them in with Jobs no doubt.. But from what I hear from my Texas clients is Weather drives them back out :) But Texas will continue to grow given its pro business stance and no income tax.. although prop tax's can be through the roof.
TX is a massive growth story for sure and the unemployment rate does not reflect the full picture, because of the sheer volume of jobs in TX, but I still get a kick out of the fact that WI unemployment is 3.2% and TX at 4.1%.
We have been lobbying in Madison for years for zoning that is more dense and cost-effective to build more "affordable" homes, around 400k. In fact the RPA is going to be there today.
Oregon just passed another law that encourages density.. thats all well and good but will the public buy it.. I know a few developers that did those tiny home clusters and the market did not accept them.. not enough parking and just to small.. your new builds are priced about the same as ours in suburbs of PDX not the top suburb but average price suburb sans basement no one builds basements unless its HIGH end lux home and you need it to get extra sq. ft.. I did that on my personal home.. But maybe google oregon new density rules probably interesting read for you.
The Milwaukee major initiated a project called GrowingMKE to increase housing density by allowing mix used, low rise and ADUs in the sea of single family homes. This would create more walkable neighborhoods, think corner bakery. They call it the "missing middle" because Milwaukee is a vast sea of single family homes and then some downtown highrises, nothing in between. I think they model this after Washington DC. It would change the face of the city for sure, also solve the income problem we have with high of miles of infrastructure per household ratio.
Portlands term is called Middle housing.. but we have been doing commercial on the bottom floors condos above for long time now even in the burbs.. But we find folks still want a yard for the doggie :)