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All Forum Posts by: Jay Hinrichs

Jay Hinrichs has started 323 posts and replied 41111 times.

Post: High Realtor Fees, Can someone explain?

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Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @Kevin Ivey:

When you list it on the MLS you offer a percentage to the buyers agent, as you should know.

  I can pay it make my money and still feel the buyers agent didn't warrant the money when brought in at the end of the deal.


  I understand and feel bad when an agent shows a zillion house writes losing offers and does a lot of leg work.


NO ANYMORE  you no longer can offer the agent bringing the buyer a fee it has to be negotiated when the pruchase contract comes in.. that was the basis of the big lawsuit last year.. Its all negotiable.. and I for one as a high volume seller I negotiate depending on market conditions and profit margins etc etc.  So U should do the same.

Jay, that's not technically correct. I believe you CAN offer the buyers agent a fee; you just can't list that fact on the MLS.

thats what I meant there is no field on MLS at least in the markets I work to put into the listing you load into MLS a fee for the buyers agent. I think though you can maybe in the private remarks alude to the fact that seller is willing to pay a buyers broker.. But not exactly sure on that either.. I just know at least on my development here in Oregon as I field many of the buyers agents calls when my wife is to busy to talk to them. One of the first things they will ask is are you paying a BAC.. And when they do write offers the commission is in the offer and its a point of negotiation.. Agents will ask for anything from 2% to 3.5% its up to me to counter.. I like this because I can counter back a flat fee and its in writing and their buyer has to agree to it.. So its up to the buyers agent to justify their worth in the transaction.

Post: Is the Florida market about to correct? (or crash??)

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I just looked through some numbers for southern FL and they look bad. 

Miami-Dade County has over 8 months worth of suppy, Monroe County (Florida Keys) has almost 12 month worth of supply. Anything over 5 is considered a sellers market. 

Boward County (Fort Lauderdale) has 8 months' worth of inventory, almost 18,000 homes for sale. In comparison my home market Milwaukee County has 1 month supply and a total of 651 homes listed for sale. Granted, at about half the population, but the difference is almost incomprehensible. This looks like post 2008 levels.

Sold to List Price ratio's are slipping below 95% in FL, I have not seen much under 100% in 5 years. 

Who is local in Miami, Palm Beach, Fort Lauderdale, and Sarasota and can speak to the market down there?


 I would say markets are going to start "correcting" and it will vary between location and product type. As many of us have been saying on here for a while, there will be a point when this will occur and areas will soften or stay stagnant for a period of time while it allows incomes to slowly grow during that time. 

Opex is the headwinds in SW FL. Opex issue in FL is as material as cap rate for commercial MFs in a national scale. If you're able to get a downpayment, DTI approval, then the opex will likely be the deal breaker.

BP Legend Bob Stevens & I mentioned SW FL a year or so back. Didn't take a genius to see this. This has been forming-- phys RE cracks are slow to mature but swift in it's action.

Austin, among other cities, is one to watch for. And a few others are in this territory and will be by Q4 2025 which will take 6-18 mos to realize. RE ETFs are showing very bearish signals which is primed for correction territory not sure if it gets there or even worse into bearish territory but let's see how that unwinds. The underlying holdings are commercial which could be a pain point for lenders.

If RE agents do what they do best--manipulate the markets-- we'll see Q2 in 2025 and 2026 get overcrowded with supply in areas that are already trending back to pre-pandemic levels.  In some areas, like Miami, that may push them to 10-14 month of inventory. The real material break and true crash is north of 40 months of inventory, once you get 1/3 of that so call it 13-ish months it's in correction territory and bearish at the 21-24 month level. At least from all the levels we're looking at here internally.  That's a long way to go, but a huge hit to anyone that bought with intending to re-fi in the short term from 2023 to today.


SWF has been a boom bust market for decades..  U cant have 1 million platted legal lots of record of which maybe half are built on.. and expect linear rise in values.. 

I think you give far to much credit to RE agents.. there is no way they themselves manipulate the market.. might be some bigger players but the average agents its not in their playbook.

Post: High Realtor Fees, Can someone explain?

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Quote from @Kevin Ivey:

When you list it on the MLS you offer a percentage to the buyers agent, as you should know.

  I can pay it make my money and still feel the buyers agent didn't warrant the money when brought in at the end of the deal.


  I understand and feel bad when an agent shows a zillion house writes losing offers and does a lot of leg work.


NO ANYMORE  you no longer can offer the agent bringing the buyer a fee it has to be negotiated when the pruchase contract comes in.. that was the basis of the big lawsuit last year.. Its all negotiable.. and I for one as a high volume seller I negotiate depending on market conditions and profit margins etc etc.  So U should do the same.

Post: Medium term rental in Las Vegas

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Thanks Jay! I was thinking of that as well! I am looking in Rhodes ranch. How do you get double the rent? Do you ask for it or do they just pay but they think it’s worth? 


u set the fee.. these are furnished of course. so in our case this was a second home we used for a few years so it was furnished .. not over the top like if we lived there permantly but still nice.  for us location is what made it popular..  its never been more than 5 to 7 days to re rent. 

Post: High Realtor Fees, Can someone explain?

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I feel the same frustration with so e of the buyers realtor fees.  We had one flip the buyer found us on there own, had their own lender lined up, and then brought in a realtor to do the paperwork and that was really it an they made 30k of my money 💰.

another deal they again buyer found us I did the showing myself they made a verbal offer, I recommended an attorney and a reasonable realtor.  They were told by a friend to get a "local" realtor who then proceed to tell my wife/realtor how she showed her clients our property (lie) and cluster up the process as the office admin did all the real work.  Then I offered 2.5% for the buyers agent she charged the full 3% with them paying extra at closing 🙄 this is why there is all the law suits!


your not obligated to pay anyone you chose to pay them .. then blame them. 

Post: High Realtor Fees, Can someone explain?

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Thanks to everyone who took the time to answer. The explanations I got are about 1- the value and 2- the expenses, self-employed, no health insurance/vacation.

I have a question though. The process/work is the same with every transaction; it doesn't make a difference if the house is 100k, 500k, 1mm, or 2mm. The fact that commission is percentage-based is weird because why would someone doing the same thing make double as someone else? c

In other words, I do understand when the realtor fee for a 400k is $20k. but when I sell a home for 2.2M and I pay a realtor $110k things start to not make sense. Yes, I do flip homes for this price. average Americans earn this amount in a full year! 

For those asking, staging is paid by us. 

If you are flipping $2M homes, providing repeat business for an agent in the $2M price point, then I'd recommend building a relationship with a great local agent and negotiating a mutually beneficial arrangement. Commissions are negotiable. 


 finally a good answer 


same answere as everyone else has given you.. Steve lives and works in a market with the same price points your talking about.. 

Post: High Realtor Fees, Can someone explain?

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Thanks to everyone who took the time to answer. The explanations I got are about 1- the value and 2- the expenses, self-employed, no health insurance/vacation.

I have a question though. The process/work is the same with every transaction; it doesn't make a difference if the house is 100k, 500k, 1mm, or 2mm. The fact that commission is percentage-based is weird because why would someone doing the same thing make double as someone else? c

In other words, I do understand when the realtor fee for a 400k is $20k. but when I sell a home for 2.2M and I pay a realtor $110k things start to not make sense. Yes, I do flip homes for this price. average Americans earn this amount in a full year! 

For those asking, staging is paid by us. 


Rachel  folks play the hand they are dealt..  IE  they work in their market and price points vary hugely throughout the US..  U can buy a 3 bd 2 bad 1500 sq foot rancher in many mid west markets for 150 to 250k..Take the exact same house and put it in Palo Alto CA and its 2.5 mil to 4 mil.. so the agents in the SF Bay area make a lot of money because thats where they live and work agents in many mid west markets work just as hard but do not make anywhere near the same given their market and where they choose to live.. 2mil plus flips your obviously in a high priced coastal market or maybe Denver or ski areas or prime northern chicago etc etc.. And its where you choose to live work and invest.. It comes down to choices.. 

On top of that you have agents that specialize in the LUX market.. and i can tell you they do spent a lot of money on marketing. Mainly marketing themselves. But they will buy the big spread in the lux home magazines etc etc.. I myself work in the real low value asset areas of the country houses that can be bought for 20 to 40k  and I also will do some lux myself like Charleston SC I have built half a dozen 2 to 3 mil homes there as specs.. Realtors I hire in Charleston make bigger fees than the realtors in the low value markets.. Many realtors in the low values markets will have a minimum fee though Like 5k.. I mean you cant pay a % commish on a 40k  2 % or 3% is 800 to 1200  they would go broke. So in reality commission as everyone is telling you are negotiable and they are NOT all based on % thats just what has been customary for decades.. many commish are based on set fee's as I explained above.. We do both as sellers I offer some at a % and some as a flat fee.. its up to the agents if they want to work on them. 

Now take your business I mean many folks that think your going to flip a 2 mil plus house and make 500k net is WAAAAY to much money for the effort your putting out.. But you will want to and you deserve as much as the market will let you make .. That how we all work. 

Post: Medium term rental in Las Vegas

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Talk to @Allen Duan - he manages numerous MTRs in the Las Vegas area and knows it very well.


 Bonnie did you move from Redding Cottonwood ? 

Post: High Realtor Fees, Can someone explain?

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in the case you are describing where you put money into an event, making a large amount of money seems to be appropriate given the risk you took with that 50k. 

In my case, the towns are extremely desirable and there are tons of buyers  eager for any remodeled home. so why is a realtor that makes 2 showings and pushes a few papers deserving of 60k pay? I cannot for the life of me understand this. There is absolutely no out of pocket cost to them and they take 0 risk. 


I understand your sentiment there.. But realtors are used to making money .  They dont get into RE to make wages like your thinking they get into it to make big money .. So for top flight agents again they simply will decline your offer.. And on top of that many times their brokerages simply wont allow them to take listings for less.  Keep in mind there is over head for agents and brokers its not like they pocket the entire 60k or 10k your offering. 
I am a Broker and work for myself so I can set my rates up or down.. Many agents cant and then depending on the market agents are still on splits with their brokerages not flat fee like we have out west.. So they may have to split that 10k your offering with the house so really they are only making 5k.. There is risk in selling real estate thats why agents have E O insurance lots of lawsuit come out of these transactions so its not 0 risk.

So I dont know the city or market your in or what is customary in your market.. Keep in mind a lot of real estate brokerage will follow customary paths on how they charge and do business. 

Like out West here my Wife hangs her license with a flat fee Broker who only charges something like 200.00 a month so she pays it annually and there is NO split with the Broker and something like a 100.00 transaction fee. But she has a transaction coordinator she pays  400.00 per file for out of her pocket plus nice Christmas bonus

So you find a newbie agent that is just happy to get a listing and will work for your 10k but will their broker allow it ?? thats the first question.. Then you get an independant Broker ( solo) like me who can fix my rate any way I want to.. ( if you can find one of those) And again its a process of looking around and negotiating.. One thing I have always loved about being a RE Broker is I am NEVER forced to work for anyone ever.. 

So suggestion google flat fee broker in your market see if one exits and if your product is that hot negotiate the fee.. Dont be intimidated to negotiate the thing that can happen will be a Polite no from the agent.. The best thing will be they agree.. 

Also if you using the same agent to find the house and they make a fee and then list back then some discount is warranted there if you doing more than one every few years. 

Post: Starting in 2025, Coastal Zone properties now get SB-423’s fast-track approvals!

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hope it works.. but throwing in the affordable housing requirement a lot of times kills the project right there.

Also at least in markets I have worked the time lines START from completed submission.. you make your submission and then get an incomplete letter this goes on for months and months soo time lines still extend.. but at least its a step in the right direction hope if works.

Hi Jay, the affordable housing requirement can definitely be a dealbreaker for some projects. And you're right, those timelines are often misleading since the real delays come from back-and-forth revisions after submission. Still, at least this is a step toward streamlining the process. Hopefully, it actually plays out as intended.


I find trying to force affordable housing on the private sector just keeps deals from happening so even though these are feel good intentions by the jurisdiction and they get brownie points for them.. Still boils down to will the developers go for it and will the market receive them well.

Portland came up with some really high density rules to allow these little tiny home villages and the planners and city was so proud and a few developers tried them but the market ( buyers) dont like them and the projects have failed so no one is building them anymore..