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All Forum Posts by: Jay Hinrichs

Jay Hinrichs has started 325 posts and replied 41470 times.

Post: The Fix-and-Flip Fallout: What We're Seeing in the Private Lending Market

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Quote from @Patrick Roberts:
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @Patrick Roberts:

I've also been told that Kiavi has halted all RTL funding in FL by several sources. As best as I can tell, this is factual. I also saw something that they are stopping all bridge funding nationwide on stabilized properties. It's either perm financing (DSCR) or nothing.

I have directly spoken with 9 or 10 private lenders and institutional RTL lenders in my two markets in the past two weeks. The universal expectation right now is that there will be increased experience requirements and higher borrower contribution requirements (lower LTVs) on RTLs for purchases going forward.

On the primary mortgage market side, we're hearing rumors of coming updates to DU and LPA that will be more conservative on approvals for investment property loans.

Ive been expecting this for a while. I know I've mentioned this before on here, but I have seen too many deals in the past year or so that are being strung together by hopes and wishes. A lot of investors are buying doors just to buy doors - there isnt much economic justification behind it, all with way too much risk layering. 

My guess is that the institutional lender programs that offer 90%+ flip funding to 1st-time investors are about to evaporate. My other guess is that DSCR loans are going to start requiring higher ratios for upper LTV programs, probably 1.15+.


RTL  = Rate and Term Loan ??

 Residential transition loan AKA fix and flip


Kind of reminds me of my flying days  all these initials for all sorts of different things.  thank you. finally got my permits there in Charleston for my new build on F street.. BAR is just a huge time suck to work through but should all work out in the end for us. Market there for new builds downtown is still quite robust.

Post: Grandma will loan me anything at 5% rate

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Quote from @Shiloh Lundahl:

Hi Ethan, ignore everything that was said on this thread. A lot of people are intelecualizing, moralizing, and complicating things. This can be much simpler than people are making it. 

First off, it is kind of your grandmother to offer to lend you money at 5%. It shows she believes in you and wants to help you be successful. Thank her for that. 

Secondly, you need more experience and understanding to become a good real estate investor. With a savings rate of $2000 - $2500 a month you have shown that you can manage your personal finances successfully so great job!

This would be my suggestion, continue to go to real estate meetups in your area and start connecting with other investors on a regular basis. If possible, invite a real estate investor to lunch each week and pay for their lunch. Ask them how they got started and what type of deals they are doing currently and what the numbers look like. After doing this for a few months and having gotten to know several (ideally 20 or more) investors, ask one of them that you felt most aligned with regarding the type of real estate they are doing if you can lend to them short-term on their next deal and if you could see the process of how they invest. Make sure your interest in the property gets recorded with the title company and then learn as much as you can about the process. 

After doing this on 2 or 3 deals, you will be much better prepared to recognize a deal, how to get into a deal, what's important and what's not important in a deal, and how to make the deal profitable.  

You are getting too much feedback on how people buy houses the normal way and get loans the normal way. Well your regular average person that buys a house the normal way gets rich very slowly if at all. Skip all of that. Learn how to find really good deals, and then get into a really good deal and turn that deal into a great place for you. 

This is an idea of what I would do specifically if I were in your current situation after having dove head first into learning, networking, and participating in deals.

1. find a house from a wholesaler that is an older build but that doesn't need things like electrical upgrades or things like that. Look for a house that is around 1800 - 2200 square feet where you can change a 3 bedroom home into a 4 or 5 bedroom 2 or 3 bathroom home. This would make an ideal situation for a house hack/rent by the room situation which would exponentially build your income quicker. 

2. Purchase the house with a hard money loan from a lender you met over the past year of doing deals with successful investors. Get a 90% or higher loan with rehab reimbursement draws where you can get money draws from the lender to reimburse what you spend on repairs. This will make it so you can recycle your rehab money and make it go much further.

At this time you should have an additional 20k - 30k in savings so you should be at about 50k or more to work with on the purchase and rehab. 

3. After the repairs are complete and you have started renting the property by the room, look into either refinancing as a primary home or get a DSCR loan if the primary home loan lender is giving you a hard time.

If done well, you should be at only a 75% - 80% loan to value and you would have taken your $50,000 in cash and turned it into $100,000 or more of equity. You should be able to live in one of the rooms for free and cash flowing $500 or more a month on the property.

After doing this, go back to your grandmother and show her the deals you have been a part of, what you have learned, and the deal you put together. Then ask her if she would like to be your money partner on deals and go start crushing it. Outline the partnership expectations in paper, continue to build your support system, don't get over leveraged, and improve your craft. 

I would encourage you not to use grandma's money at the beginning until you are already doing your own deals successfully. It makes it too easy to use easy money and it doesn't push you into finding really good deals. It would likely make you into a mediocre investor. So don't do that. Focus over the next year at building the investing rocket ship and then let your grandmother provide the fuel.


Wait a minute Shiloh I think my advice was good.. Do NOT DO SYNDICATION with someone you met on the internet :)

Post: The Fix-and-Flip Fallout: What We're Seeing in the Private Lending Market

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Quote from @Patrick Roberts:

I've also been told that Kiavi has halted all RTL funding in FL by several sources. As best as I can tell, this is factual. I also saw something that they are stopping all bridge funding nationwide on stabilized properties. It's either perm financing (DSCR) or nothing.

I have directly spoken with 9 or 10 private lenders and institutional RTL lenders in my two markets in the past two weeks. The universal expectation right now is that there will be increased experience requirements and higher borrower contribution requirements (lower LTVs) on RTLs for purchases going forward.

On the primary mortgage market side, we're hearing rumors of coming updates to DU and LPA that will be more conservative on approvals for investment property loans.

Ive been expecting this for a while. I know I've mentioned this before on here, but I have seen too many deals in the past year or so that are being strung together by hopes and wishes. A lot of investors are buying doors just to buy doors - there isnt much economic justification behind it, all with way too much risk layering. 

My guess is that the institutional lender programs that offer 90%+ flip funding to 1st-time investors are about to evaporate. My other guess is that DSCR loans are going to start requiring higher ratios for upper LTV programs, probably 1.15+.


RTL  = Rate and Term Loan ??

Post: The Fix-and-Flip Fallout: What We're Seeing in the Private Lending Market

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Rates have hurt flippers and those that provide used houses for turnkey marketing companies that operate generally out of LA.

So we have seen a slow down in that area.. So what some of my BRRR folks that were or are flippers by trade are now building their own portfolios and are refinancing to take out our bRRRR loans.. instead of flipping.

Although I have clients that are flipping successfully in certain markets and I personally wont fund anything in FLA or TX . And my niche is the starter house market.. We are still seeing flips as long as the homes are in decent areas super clean rehab and starter homes that even with rates today payments are equal or less than rent..

we have some honey holes that are doing quite well actually but I dont publicize those as I dont want to create competition for my clients :).. They worked hard to find these areas establish their teams and then with our capital they are doing quite well.

FLA is a FOMO and boom bust market same with parts of TX  from what I have seen since I was first introduced to both in the mid 80s.. I built some houses north of Orlando we got out of them but just made small profits but at least we did not get stuck like the hundreds of clients that flocked to SWF  I have seen that market melt down in the past so there was no way we were going there.  And I am sure it was mainly me but we just have not had good experiences in Texas flippng either I have not done new builds but flipping there was/is a challenge with appraisals and foundations and PROPERTY TAXES Then you throw in a good hail storm :)

Post: What happens if the Seller no-shows at closing?

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Quote from @Marcus E. Turner:

Great question (this is not legal advice)

If a seller no-shows at closing and decides to back out without a valid contractual reason, they’re typically in breach of contract. Here’s how it plays out:

  • Escrowed Funds: Any funds wired by your lender (hard money or private) will not be released. The title company holds them in escrow, and they stay put until both parties authorize release or a legal judgment tells them what to do. So no, it doesn't sit there indefinitely, but it can get tied up for a bit.

  • Recourse: You (as the buyer) have the right to pursue what's called specific performance—basically, you can take legal action to force the seller to perform (i.e., sell the property per the contract terms). That’s usually the route when it’s a clean deal and the buyer still wants the property.

  • Time = Money: The bigger issue is that during this delay, you may incur costs—interest on your short-term lending, inspection fees, appraisal, etc. Some contracts will let you go after the seller for those damages, but that takes time and legal muscle.

  • Word of Caution: Always make sure your lender’s funds don’t get wired too early—some wait until the seller signs first for this exact reason. It’s a small risk, but when it happens, it gets messy fast.

Escrow holds the funds tight, you're not losing the money (just access to it temporarily), and your best move is usually a combination of legal pressure and negotiation to get the deal back on track—or compensated.

 
"Any funds wired by your lender (hard money or private) will not be
released. The title company holds them in escrow, and they stay put
until both parties authorize release or a legal judgment tells them what
to do. So no, it doesn't sit there indefinitely, but it can get tied up for a bit."

This statement above is NOT TRUE.. Lender can recall their funds and title or escrow or attorney has to send them back.. what your confusing is Earnest Money deposits those will not be released until mutual releases are signed by seller and buyer.. Lender funds are not subject to being held as you described.. I have been doing this since the 80s.. If this was the case not much would get done lenders would be to freaked out to send in their funds.

Now on the West coasts its common for banks not to fund the loans until they have gotten recording numbers back from the county.. but thats not how it works in most of the country.

the reason most HML do not fund until the day of or day before is because the closer does not request the funds any earlier. And HML by and large are using borrowed money and they don't want to incur interest on their funds before they are earning interest from their client.

Post: Should my savings go towards a house hack or an out of state investment?

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Quote from @Matt Menard:

@Jay Hinrichs I haven't posted anything else other than the original. No need for you to keep posting negative comments. Also, these investments are not high risk and are 506(b)


the issue is your self promoting on the open forum which is a violations of the rules.. Other wise I would be doing one post after another of how I return 10 to 20% cash on cash to my investors and or double their money in a year on my new construction projects.  But i cant do that because its self promotion.. your new i get it.. so just pointing that out.. U have to pay to advertise the way you are.  I suspect the moderators will reach out to you.. there are other ways to talk about your projects that dont violate the rules..

Although syndication for Brand new investors in IMHO is simply not appropriate based on the last thread were I pointed it out and got over 20 votes from many seasoned investors who read the thread.. Risk is in the eye of the beholder.. you say its not I say it is. 

Post: Help me analyze potential first deal please :) - Duplex / Portland OR

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Quote from @Daniel Jodrey:
Quote from @Jaycee Greene:
Quote from @Daniel Jodrey:
Quote from @Jaycee Greene:
Quote from @Daniel Jodrey:
Quote from @Jaycee Greene:
Quote from @Daniel Jodrey:
Quote from @Jaycee Greene:

@Daniel Jodrey It's hard to tell without a specific breakdown of the operating expenses, but what are you estimating to be your monthly loan payment? FWIW, most real estate developers/investors I work with would target an IRR of 16%-18% on a duplex. I'm also not seeing what you think the property will be worth in 5 years.

Hey @Jaycee Greene


What I’m getting in the calculations is:

Mortgage: $2782

Taxes: $226 

Insurance: $165

Variable Expenses (15% Maintenance/CapX/Vacancy) : $630

Fixed Expense:$50 ( for water , although likely would build into rents)

I would guesstimate with repairs the property would be worth around $650k so a potential of year 5 value of $718k

@Daniel Jodrey I assume those operating expenses are for the entire duplex, not just the tenant's portion? If so, I think you're a little light, but since it's a house hack, it's probably in the ballpark.

But what's your loan amount, $468k? And what interest rate are you using, it must be below 6%? I'm having a hard time getting to a mortgage payment of $2,782 in the current rate environment.

Hey @Jaycee Greene

We are trying to negotiate a sellers credit and would plan to use that credit to buy down the rate to around 6% or possibly lower if we end up using all the credit and pay closing costs ourselves.

 I am calculating for full duplex. 

@Daniel Jodrey That makes more sense. With that, I'm actually getting fairly close to your numbers. However, I would comment about the return being relatively low (even for a house hack). My CRE clients that focus on SFRs generally look for a return (I used IRR) anywhere from 15%-18%. The reason being, anything less they might as well put their money into the market (via a 401K, IRA, etc.) since the market on average returns 8%-12% a year with little to no effort. Just my 3 cents.

@Jaycee Greene

I can respect that and appreciate that. My mindset and thinking is I’m looking to build long term generational wealth. I’m ok with short term returns , knowing that I’m building wealth/equity that in the long term will fund our life. I am planning to hold for long term and acquire 5-7+ more that in 10-15 years will provide great cash flow as well as equity and a portfolio that will help us achieve financial freedom. 

We have waited so long to buy and am getting to a point where I feel I need to take action to get to my long term goals. What are your thoughts?


@Daniel Jodrey I assume this duplex is in an area near where you currently live (or want to live long-term)? I wouldn't want you to jump into this specific property because you feel you need to take action or you're getting impatient but looking at it through the "long-term lens" you describe, this seems to be a good starting point for you to build your real estate portfolio. 

One word of advice is to think about your "maximum" price you'd be willing to pay if the seller gets multiple offers and/or gets other offers over asking or without the credit. 

Good luck!

@Jaycee Greene 

I agree with your advice and something I am and have been thinking hard about. 

Yes this is in my area and where my family/friends are located. My wife and I have moved all over the US with Hospitality jobs, however have now moved back to this area to be close to our family and set some roots.


how is it a house hack if your renting both sides out ?  

Post: Should my savings go towards a house hack or an out of state investment?

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Quote from @Matt Menard:

Hi Jonathan,

I have a deal that I can get you involved in for passive income. Let me know if you are interested. It is a 462 unit apartment complex in TX. Reach out if you have any questions. 

Matt you keep posting this non sense for beginner investors this is totally in appropriate and not allowed on BP not sure why the mods have not taken your stuff down. 
But new investors the last thing they should be doing is investing in hi risk syndication. And I would say 95% of them in the same position this BP member is in is not accredited and cant invest in syndication anyway..

Post: 4,612,000 (4.6 mil) HouseHolds Couldn't Pay Their Mortgage This Month -Concerned Yet?

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Ken dont go down the self promotion lane again you will get your hand slapped again LOL. 

Post: Grandma will loan me anything at 5% rate

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Quote from @Matt Menard:

@Jay Hinrichs Hi! What I am presenting is a deal much better than a single family home. You do not need decades of experience in being a landlord. In fact, it is a poor strategy. Start out big enough to have a management company be the landlord. 

your new to BP  your not allowed to self promote like this one the open forums.. And of course we all have our opinions a 22 yo kid starting out should never go into a big syndication with borrowed money its foolish to the extreme and very poor advice.  AS well as unless this is an offering that allows non accredited investors this young man is not accredited.. based on his posts.. So again very poor post on your part.