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Post: Failed Leadership is why California is on fire.

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Quote from @Eric Bilderback:

What started the fires?  Negligent forest management, drug addicts, or illegals?  DEI policies along with environmental, immigration policies is not sustainable for a non 3rd world country (my guess that is the point).  I read an article I thought articulated this very well, we are seeing the collapse of a very complex system and this the fruit. 


 Or it could be an arsonist/ arsonists. 


In the northern ca fires a few years back it was downed power lines.. and PGE got massive fines for that.. Now anytime in Northern CA when winds get past a certain speed there is rolling blackouts.. 

Post: Failed Leadership is why California is on fire.

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@James Wise you're right about California's bad leadership.  But that's not why it's on fire.

Here is how I get my perspective:  I was a firefighter in CA for about a decade in my former life.  The house I'm sitting in right now is on a hill with 270 degree views and I can see about ten miles in each direction.  Nearly every house I can see from here burned to the ground in 2017, including the house that was on this very lot and almost every house on this street.  5,300 in total.  Thankfully, at that time I lived just a bit to the south and the winds blew the fire right by my house, missing by 3,000 feet.  I woke up that morning to a wall of fire as far as I could see.  

I drove to my office, everything around me was on fire including the landscaping and dumpsters in the parking lot--no firefighters around.  But the office itself didn't burn.

The fire had traveled ten miles in about 3 hours. You can't get mutual aid (with a several hour ETA) in time to stop it. The calvary arrives just in time to mop up.

I have a second home in Maui, and as I look out in one direction the entire town I used to see burned to the ground in 2023.  The wind blew that fire to our south, this time missing us by almost a mile.  This is becoming all too familiar, and yet I'm extraordinarily lucky that I suffered no direct fire loss in any of these.

In both of these fires, hydrants didn't work.  Firefighting resources were overwhelmed.  Winds were near or exceeding hurricane force.  The fire created it's own weather including "fire tornados".  

Part of the reasons hydrants didn't work was some water storage was already depleted for maintenance.  Power was shut off to prevent it from starting more fire (or was killed by the fire) and this power is what drives the municipal water pumps.  Homes burned, leaving their water service lines severed and freely flowing water onto the ground, depleting the pressure.  It's just chaos.

Suggestions above include:

To not rebuild and convert the land over to parkland.  How do you buy out over 5,000 homeowners?  Infeasible.

To build out of concrete block.  Ok, but from my house I can see what used to be a K-mart about a mile away.  It was made out of concrete block and it burned to the ground, along with a lot of other concrete and brick structures.  My next door neighbor built their house out of poured in place concrete.  Will it help?  Maybe.  The building codes are pretty strict.  Ours is built with stucco siding, concrete tile roof, tempered windows, self-closing soffit and crawl space vents (they melt when exposed to heat).  A lot of structures go up because the intense radiant heat from the wildfire ignites contents inside the home through the windows, or the embers enter the attics and crawl spaces through the vents--so just building from block won't be a cure.  

Build with steel.  These fires are so hot even the steel structures melted and burned.  The winds were so strong and fire so hot there were cars turned upside down in driveways, and then melted.

The bottom line is that 100 mph winds combined with dry grass and just about any ignition source is unstoppable once it gets going.  If the fire can be knocked down in its infancy you can save entire towns.  And that's what usually happens--there are hundreds of fires no one hears about.  But the ones that aren't stopped right away and get a head on them, when close to an urban area, with wind like this, will cause extreme devastation.  No amount of water will stop it.

And don't even get me started on insurance.  My $7,500 policy was "non-renewed" and I only got two quotes:  $42K and $92K.  Then by a stroke of luck I found another quote for $13K.  If that carrier doesn't stay afloat it's pretty dismal.


Thanks Brian for this very clear and realistic post on these fires.. Unless one has lived through them they have NO CLUE and the media well we know the media is full of crap and just is a bunch of BS spewed by them..  I lived in Lakeport during the Cow mtn fire I lived in Napa when Atlas peak burned I missed the last Atlas peak fire..  and of course we all remember the Paradise fire entire town burned down kind of like Lahina fire.  the Oakland hills fire burned down 4000 homes or there about.. All of these areas basically have rebuilt over time.. U cant take all these lots like you say and repurpose them.. they are all legal lots of record..

One thing I can see though is the folks that lost houses on the water in Malibu .. might be tough getting permits to build on the ocean front again that I could see.

Post: Why do people Buy Property in California

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It always seems the people that don't live in CA or have ever lived in CA are always the one leading the bandwagon of "why would anyone live in CA?". I say that about many many parts of our country as well. It goes both ways.


Agreed..  as born and raised in CA  and back in the 60s those born in CA were still kind of rare as so many people were moving in from other states.. But I am a big believer in the majority simply loves were they were raised no matter where it is.. Other wise people would not live in Bismark ND :)  Personally I have been to every state in the US and have done bizz in probably 20 plus states and spent significant time in each.. they all have their benefits.  the bottom line though CA still has the Best weather basically in the world everything considered .. And a diversity of natural attractions and landscapes that no other state in the union can come close to matching..  But if you lived all your life or most of it in Ohio or the mid west somewhere thats what you know and love and nothing wrong with it.. same thing with nothing wrong with loving whatever part of CA your from or like.. There are plenty of places in CA I would never live or do I like.. for instance Barstow would not be on the top of my list :)  

Post: Due On Sale Being Called!!

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I would never give the party on the opposite end of the transaction POA over the property, or my social, DOB etc. Who would do that?

People doing crazy stuff lately.

I hate to say it but it's starting to feel a bit like 2007, with sub2 being the new subprime mortgage...

It's too small of a percentage of loans for that to be where the bottom falls out. And yes that poster has a trail of his own. @Russell Brazil He closed his account, cause he needs to eat a lot of crow. 


 who was it?

I would have thought as a mod, you'd have access to that information. ?
Maybe he was actually made a "non-person". ;-)

 Clearly, he doesn't cause you're the same subto guy that's been peddling the forum for the last couple of years. "Teaching" people how to do subto for $1500/mo or something like that. Perhaps longer time you've been here, I do not know. Removed and come back, or of the sort.



@Chris Seveney Poster's name was Whit B.


VG  it was my understanding that sub to guys charged 15k .. thats what one BP member told me at the time.. so its hearsay how much they actually wanted for their expertise.. And dont know about Ken.. but his partner for sure was very versed in sub to.. the information was accurate as we both kind of played in the northwest sandbox . and before sub to foreclosure rescues / rent backs became illegal in about 08 I personally did a few hundred of them.  But my SOP was to flip.. I only bought sub to if there was enough equity day one to either flip with no work or there was margin to do a rehab and then sell.. I would never do sub to for the purpose of holding long term rentals  ( at least personally) . So we retired the sellers loan within 12 to 18 months. Plus we had the money to pay one off if it got called and we did have a few get called .. There is a ton of risk for the seller as we know in these deals and there are bad actors in these deals as well.. ran into many of them buy sub to never pay of the mortgage rip the rents and down the road..some off those folks got criminally charged and got prison time.. Not saying anyone on BP would do that of course but you know real estate is full of shysters and plain old criminals. :)

Post: RAD Diversified SCAM ALERT!!!

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I bought reit shares from rad based on recommendations from boxabl  where I'm also invested. It looks like I may lose both investments.


I did not hear any thing negative on Boxabl been following them.. they are Vegas based ADU in a box correct..  I know they raised a lot of money though

Post: Why do people Buy Property in California

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@James Hamling

Not trolling but just trying to provide some context about why states and other countries like CA have such stringent earth quake codes that keep getting updated.

I will never really understand the power of a Cat4 or Cat5 hurricane until I experience one. I have been in a 6.8 and 6.9 earthquake in WA and CA respectively. The 6.8 was some 65 miles south of me, I was on the 2nd floor of an office building that shook so hard for a minute that people were having problems staying standing up. A 7.0 releases some 32 times the amount of energy as the atomic bomb used on Hiroshima. 

https://www.omnicalculator.com/other/earthquake


I am fully aware and well versed. 

I have been a Building Contractor for over 30yrs. Master Journey Carpenter, Journey Mason, Journey HVAC. My last remodeling co. was a specialty Design Build firm. I had been scouted more times than I can recount to come to CA to apply my skills because the standards I came up in exceed that of CA and most places. 

Building for seismic zones is actually not all that difficult. Wind and water, those are tricky ones, especially wind. Wind is an exerted force in many more ways than just the direct most think of. And hydraulic is a force that's very extreme. 

Point is, the predominant production method of housing in the US is rather lack luster. The framing lumber popularly used is pathetic. And there is a lot of superior options out there in both product and methodology. 

If you want a good CA home, do timber balloon frame, mortise and tenon joinery with masonry facade. Slate roof or even Spanish tile. Now you have seismic resilient with fire preventative. 

Rockwool insulation...... I mean, your doing $1m+ for a property, why not get one built like it's a $1m+ home???? 

No, I'm hearing reports of shake roofs being predominant in a FIRE ZONE.... I'm sorry but anyone doing that is literally begging for it. 

You tempt the Devil, bad things happen. 


James shake roofs were the go to product  back in the thats why there are so many in CA the material came from the Cedar industry in Oregon and Washington.. My bizz partner when I was doing timber in the 90s  prior to us doing our thing.. he had a Cedar shake mill.. things changed in San Jose area tile roofs are very prevalent.  Its all about the heavy brush with Manzanita and other dense brush full of oils that burn so hot and fast.. thats why in many areas in CA they have control burns.. And keep in  mind the Indians used to burn this stuff hundreds of years ago as well

That helps to make a lot more sense. The fire prevention policies were different, more aggressive, so far less imperative reasons to sway away from a then amply supplied and I imagine price adjusted material of shake vs fire resilient material. 

I saw news other day of those winds and just clouds of embers and that, holly-cow with shake roof's, wow, that's literally an impossible fire to fight as it could jump homes and blocks in a blink, with every ember filled gust. 

It drives me nuts seeing the lions share of blame being placed on weather in main stream media (talking as an aggregate whole not going to cherry pick individual ones of differing messaging) when I see a laundry list of obvious human caused contributing factors. 

Because next thing, without a doubt, will be all about taking Federal funds to pay for all this. And that means YOU, me, WE paying the bill for what was in fair-share a CA person-made catastrophe via there idiotic actions. 

FL can't do a dang thing to stop a hurricane, but they at least try to put in place mitigation items to lesson impact. 

CA, stopping doing fire breaks because it messes with a mouse..... How's that mouse doing now? Crispy fried right.... 

Or not topping off reservoirs in advance of a known annual heightened fire risk season. 

I am not saying it would have been 100% prevented if hadn't done these dumb actions, but with 100% certainty the scale of it all would have been different, lessor. 

People died because of this, and thus there needs to be a criminal inquiry. Criminal negligence, that's a thing. And this, what I am hearing, wreaks of criminal negligence. Accountability must be demanded by Californians, and the nation as a whole. 

But let me guess, Biden will issue pardons for entire CA political class...... Retroactive for any crimes known or unknown for the last however many years...... 


well typically middle of January is winter and not fire season so you have that .. Fire breaks work for sure I remember a big fire in Lake co. cA when I lived there and there were 4 to 5 dozer in a line doing fire breaks along ridge lines.. keep in mind though this is steep country so moving dozer through there is not that easy..  That fire in  1980 burnt 35,000 acres between ukiah CA and Lakeport Ca and only stopped when it got to the pear orchards in lake co.. there was not stopping it.. moved at about 10 to 20 miles per hour.. all over 8 hours.. until you  see it in person you simply cant understand it..

Also keep in mind in LA most of those lots were created from 1900 to 1950s and well they are lots of record.. and were developed with the standards of the day.. Todays standards are far different as you know.. I deal with it in all the subdivisions I have built.. Fire department is the toughest one to deal with..  U need 1500 GPH at the hydrants.. no street can be longer than 600feet with out dual access.. If you cant meet GPH you need to sprinkler the houses so add 8 to 12k per track house to the build cost and oh by the way we need starter houses.. Etc etc.

I always heard the fire risk season was tied to Santa Ana winds, Sept. - May.. 


I am sure your right on the winds.. I spent a winter in Palm Springs and brought my plane down there and you talk about some wicked winds .. I got caught in a mtn wave on one trip from Napa to Thermal Ca  and we had 2k ft ups and downs un commanded you just ride the wave like a surfer and on the back side of the wave U pick  up some pretty impressive ground speed.

No thanks, I'm way too Norwegian for that noise. Put me on a boat with 10' swells and I'm happy as a pig in slop but in air getting thrown.... I'm the guy turning 3 shades of green with the verps. Lol. 


my wife if Norwegian  Wika   :)  raised on a little island in the Columbia River and family were all fishermen and loggers.

Post: Why do people Buy Property in California

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@James Hamling

Not trolling but just trying to provide some context about why states and other countries like CA have such stringent earth quake codes that keep getting updated.

I will never really understand the power of a Cat4 or Cat5 hurricane until I experience one. I have been in a 6.8 and 6.9 earthquake in WA and CA respectively. The 6.8 was some 65 miles south of me, I was on the 2nd floor of an office building that shook so hard for a minute that people were having problems staying standing up. A 7.0 releases some 32 times the amount of energy as the atomic bomb used on Hiroshima. 

https://www.omnicalculator.com/other/earthquake


I am fully aware and well versed. 

I have been a Building Contractor for over 30yrs. Master Journey Carpenter, Journey Mason, Journey HVAC. My last remodeling co. was a specialty Design Build firm. I had been scouted more times than I can recount to come to CA to apply my skills because the standards I came up in exceed that of CA and most places. 

Building for seismic zones is actually not all that difficult. Wind and water, those are tricky ones, especially wind. Wind is an exerted force in many more ways than just the direct most think of. And hydraulic is a force that's very extreme. 

Point is, the predominant production method of housing in the US is rather lack luster. The framing lumber popularly used is pathetic. And there is a lot of superior options out there in both product and methodology. 

If you want a good CA home, do timber balloon frame, mortise and tenon joinery with masonry facade. Slate roof or even Spanish tile. Now you have seismic resilient with fire preventative. 

Rockwool insulation...... I mean, your doing $1m+ for a property, why not get one built like it's a $1m+ home???? 

No, I'm hearing reports of shake roofs being predominant in a FIRE ZONE.... I'm sorry but anyone doing that is literally begging for it. 

You tempt the Devil, bad things happen. 


James shake roofs were the go to product  back in the thats why there are so many in CA the material came from the Cedar industry in Oregon and Washington.. My bizz partner when I was doing timber in the 90s  prior to us doing our thing.. he had a Cedar shake mill.. things changed in San Jose area tile roofs are very prevalent.  Its all about the heavy brush with Manzanita and other dense brush full of oils that burn so hot and fast.. thats why in many areas in CA they have control burns.. And keep in  mind the Indians used to burn this stuff hundreds of years ago as well

That helps to make a lot more sense. The fire prevention policies were different, more aggressive, so far less imperative reasons to sway away from a then amply supplied and I imagine price adjusted material of shake vs fire resilient material. 

I saw news other day of those winds and just clouds of embers and that, holly-cow with shake roof's, wow, that's literally an impossible fire to fight as it could jump homes and blocks in a blink, with every ember filled gust. 

It drives me nuts seeing the lions share of blame being placed on weather in main stream media (talking as an aggregate whole not going to cherry pick individual ones of differing messaging) when I see a laundry list of obvious human caused contributing factors. 

Because next thing, without a doubt, will be all about taking Federal funds to pay for all this. And that means YOU, me, WE paying the bill for what was in fair-share a CA person-made catastrophe via there idiotic actions. 

FL can't do a dang thing to stop a hurricane, but they at least try to put in place mitigation items to lesson impact. 

CA, stopping doing fire breaks because it messes with a mouse..... How's that mouse doing now? Crispy fried right.... 

Or not topping off reservoirs in advance of a known annual heightened fire risk season. 

I am not saying it would have been 100% prevented if hadn't done these dumb actions, but with 100% certainty the scale of it all would have been different, lessor. 

People died because of this, and thus there needs to be a criminal inquiry. Criminal negligence, that's a thing. And this, what I am hearing, wreaks of criminal negligence. Accountability must be demanded by Californians, and the nation as a whole. 

But let me guess, Biden will issue pardons for entire CA political class...... Retroactive for any crimes known or unknown for the last however many years...... 


well typically middle of January is winter and not fire season so you have that .. Fire breaks work for sure I remember a big fire in Lake co. cA when I lived there and there were 4 to 5 dozer in a line doing fire breaks along ridge lines.. keep in mind though this is steep country so moving dozer through there is not that easy..  That fire in  1980 burnt 35,000 acres between ukiah CA and Lakeport Ca and only stopped when it got to the pear orchards in lake co.. there was not stopping it.. moved at about 10 to 20 miles per hour.. all over 8 hours.. until you  see it in person you simply cant understand it..

Also keep in mind in LA most of those lots were created from 1900 to 1950s and well they are lots of record.. and were developed with the standards of the day.. Todays standards are far different as you know.. I deal with it in all the subdivisions I have built.. Fire department is the toughest one to deal with..  U need 1500 GPH at the hydrants.. no street can be longer than 600feet with out dual access.. If you cant meet GPH you need to sprinkler the houses so add 8 to 12k per track house to the build cost and oh by the way we need starter houses.. Etc etc.

I always heard the fire risk season was tied to Santa Ana winds, Sept. - May.. 


I am sure your right on the winds.. I spent a winter in Palm Springs and brought my plane down there and you talk about some wicked winds .. I got caught in a mtn wave on one trip from Napa to Thermal Ca  and we had 2k ft ups and downs un commanded you just ride the wave like a surfer and on the back side of the wave U pick  up some pretty impressive ground speed.

Post: Why do people Buy Property in California

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California is on fire and they don't have enough water to stop it.

California is the richest state in the USA.

California has 3,427 miles of Coastline.

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Make it make sense.


I had a house fire as a kid, on an epic windy day. Rural, no fire hydrants. 

They had pumper trucks at the river, and water trucks running back n fourth filling and refilling. 

How do homes burn due to "no water" along the freaking ocean??????? 

So, they don't have water pumps?????? 

Makes 0 sense. 


 In rural Ohio ponds are required every so many feet when fire hydrants aren't available.


good luck building ponds on the west coast..you need water rights for those ..  In Oregon we do have to build retention ponds for water run off to save the salmon and Steelhead.. which is OK by me since I enjoy fishing for both.. but again add 50 to 200k per project and then build starter housing.. ???

Post: Why do people Buy Property in California

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@James Hamling

Not trolling but just trying to provide some context about why states and other countries like CA have such stringent earth quake codes that keep getting updated.

I will never really understand the power of a Cat4 or Cat5 hurricane until I experience one. I have been in a 6.8 and 6.9 earthquake in WA and CA respectively. The 6.8 was some 65 miles south of me, I was on the 2nd floor of an office building that shook so hard for a minute that people were having problems staying standing up. A 7.0 releases some 32 times the amount of energy as the atomic bomb used on Hiroshima. 

https://www.omnicalculator.com/other/earthquake


I am fully aware and well versed. 

I have been a Building Contractor for over 30yrs. Master Journey Carpenter, Journey Mason, Journey HVAC. My last remodeling co. was a specialty Design Build firm. I had been scouted more times than I can recount to come to CA to apply my skills because the standards I came up in exceed that of CA and most places. 

Building for seismic zones is actually not all that difficult. Wind and water, those are tricky ones, especially wind. Wind is an exerted force in many more ways than just the direct most think of. And hydraulic is a force that's very extreme. 

Point is, the predominant production method of housing in the US is rather lack luster. The framing lumber popularly used is pathetic. And there is a lot of superior options out there in both product and methodology. 

If you want a good CA home, do timber balloon frame, mortise and tenon joinery with masonry facade. Slate roof or even Spanish tile. Now you have seismic resilient with fire preventative. 

Rockwool insulation...... I mean, your doing $1m+ for a property, why not get one built like it's a $1m+ home???? 

No, I'm hearing reports of shake roofs being predominant in a FIRE ZONE.... I'm sorry but anyone doing that is literally begging for it. 

You tempt the Devil, bad things happen. 


James shake roofs were the go to product  back in the thats why there are so many in CA the material came from the Cedar industry in Oregon and Washington.. My bizz partner when I was doing timber in the 90s  prior to us doing our thing.. he had a Cedar shake mill.. things changed in San Jose area tile roofs are very prevalent.  Its all about the heavy brush with Manzanita and other dense brush full of oils that burn so hot and fast.. thats why in many areas in CA they have control burns.. And keep in  mind the Indians used to burn this stuff hundreds of years ago as well

That helps to make a lot more sense. The fire prevention policies were different, more aggressive, so far less imperative reasons to sway away from a then amply supplied and I imagine price adjusted material of shake vs fire resilient material. 

I saw news other day of those winds and just clouds of embers and that, holly-cow with shake roof's, wow, that's literally an impossible fire to fight as it could jump homes and blocks in a blink, with every ember filled gust. 

It drives me nuts seeing the lions share of blame being placed on weather in main stream media (talking as an aggregate whole not going to cherry pick individual ones of differing messaging) when I see a laundry list of obvious human caused contributing factors. 

Because next thing, without a doubt, will be all about taking Federal funds to pay for all this. And that means YOU, me, WE paying the bill for what was in fair-share a CA person-made catastrophe via there idiotic actions. 

FL can't do a dang thing to stop a hurricane, but they at least try to put in place mitigation items to lesson impact. 

CA, stopping doing fire breaks because it messes with a mouse..... How's that mouse doing now? Crispy fried right.... 

Or not topping off reservoirs in advance of a known annual heightened fire risk season. 

I am not saying it would have been 100% prevented if hadn't done these dumb actions, but with 100% certainty the scale of it all would have been different, lessor. 

People died because of this, and thus there needs to be a criminal inquiry. Criminal negligence, that's a thing. And this, what I am hearing, wreaks of criminal negligence. Accountability must be demanded by Californians, and the nation as a whole. 

But let me guess, Biden will issue pardons for entire CA political class...... Retroactive for any crimes known or unknown for the last however many years...... 


well typically middle of January is winter and not fire season so you have that .. Fire breaks work for sure I remember a big fire in Lake co. cA when I lived there and there were 4 to 5 dozer in a line doing fire breaks along ridge lines.. keep in mind though this is steep country so moving dozer through there is not that easy..  That fire in  1980 burnt 35,000 acres between ukiah CA and Lakeport Ca and only stopped when it got to the pear orchards in lake co.. there was not stopping it.. moved at about 10 to 20 miles per hour.. all over 8 hours.. until you  see it in person you simply cant understand it..

Also keep in mind in LA most of those lots were created from 1900 to 1950s and well they are lots of record.. and were developed with the standards of the day.. Todays standards are far different as you know.. I deal with it in all the subdivisions I have built.. Fire department is the toughest one to deal with..  U need 1500 GPH at the hydrants.. no street can be longer than 600feet with out dual access.. If you cant meet GPH you need to sprinkler the houses so add 8 to 12k per track house to the build cost and oh by the way we need starter houses.. Etc etc.

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This is a great thread for @Jay Hinrichs . He will have some great ones. My first mortgage was almost 11% and that was a good rate. My first rental I asked the guy at the closing table how much he usually got for rent and he told me he could pretty reliably get 300-400. I almost fell over dead thinking maybe I was going into the wrong business. I still have that house and it rents for a grand these days.


my first house was late 70s that I bought  in those days it was 80 10 and 10  you need 10% cash and normally a private HML would give you the 10% second and bank was the first.. interest on the first was 9% second was 15%.. this was before the Carter interest rate run up.. paid 80k for it in Milpitas CA.. and it was brand new bought it from Shapel .  today probably around 1 mil.

Rentals was not a thought to me in those days I was a land flipper.. had absolutely no interest in being a landlord.. and basically still dont to this day :) yes I have some rentals for tax purposes but not really for wealth building purposes.