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All Forum Posts by: Adam Drummond

Adam Drummond has started 28 posts and replied 247 times.

Post: brrr.. refi amount??

Adam DrummondPosted
  • Investor
  • Greenville, SC
  • Posts 252
  • Votes 92
Originally posted by @Maugno M.:

Hello, i'm in the process of doing a cash out refi. Its a home equity loan. Idk about the terms though. They are offering me an ARM 5/1 20year. Interest rate for 6.6% right now, and can go up as high as 12% at year 8.

Any advice on this ? should i take it or run. I think most lenders on these type of loans might do the same and i dont want to take a huge credit inquiry hit.           

Are you cashing out an investment property, or your primary residence?  I called around to 10+ lenders in S. Carolina before i found 2 that offered me better terms.  I do not like arm loans..  i had a couple of them years ago, and when the market goes south, it is much harder to refinance those loans.  On my rental property i am getting an in house loan with a local credit union with a 30 yr term, and no balloon, or adjustable rate.  I had to shop around for a while before I talked to the right lender though.  Best of luck.

Adam 

Post: brrr.. refi amount??

Adam DrummondPosted
  • Investor
  • Greenville, SC
  • Posts 252
  • Votes 92

@Todd Dexheimer

great advice!

Post: brrr.. refi amount??

Adam DrummondPosted
  • Investor
  • Greenville, SC
  • Posts 252
  • Votes 92

@Jason Dillard

"if you're tired of tenants, toilets, and ... "  (cue banjo music)

Post: brrr.. refi amount??

Adam DrummondPosted
  • Investor
  • Greenville, SC
  • Posts 252
  • Votes 92
Originally posted by @Kevin Sobilo:

The point of BRRR is to rehab to generate equity. The equity doesn't do much good if its sitting in the property, appreciation is a bonus and its speculative.

I would look at the rental market and determine market rent. I would use that as my guide. I would want to have positive cash-flow even if the rental market softened and I had to cut the rent modestly.

The goal would be to refi out AT LEAST as much as you invested into the property so that you can go to another project.

I will have about 50k tied up in the property including purchase price, but i can refi quite a bit more than that.  I have to disagree with all you guys who say to pull out the full 75-80 ltv.   Someone earlier made a good point.  Refi the amount that makes sense based on what rent you can collect.  This house will rent for $900 per month.

thanks though for the reply.  it seems like if you talk to 10 investors, half of them will swear by one method, and the other half swear by a different approach.  

adam

Post: Windows replacement and Asbestos

Adam DrummondPosted
  • Investor
  • Greenville, SC
  • Posts 252
  • Votes 92

that's sounds crazy!  what are they saying has asbestos?  i am no expert at all on asbestos, but i have changed a lot of windows over the years.  you're just pulling off window trim, and i assume pulling out the old sashes.  doesn't seem like you're exposing anything but framing, and window jambs?  maybe old insulation? 

Post: brrr.. refi amount??

Adam DrummondPosted
  • Investor
  • Greenville, SC
  • Posts 252
  • Votes 92

@Alexander Felice

i understand what you're saying, especially in a market that has been trending up for quite a while.  what about when the market slows down or stops?  i'd rather have equity in my properties, instead of having everything leveraged to the max.  seems like you're possibly setting yourself up for disaster if you max out your properties.  my 2 cents.

adam

Post: brrr.. refi amount??

Adam DrummondPosted
  • Investor
  • Greenville, SC
  • Posts 252
  • Votes 92

@Tyler Weaver   

thanks.  the house is in a quickly gentrifying neighborhood close to downtown greenville, but it's not there quite yet.  the house when finished should bring close to $200 per foot in today's market.  to me there is no way that it should be worth that, but that's another discussion.  obv the market will soften /slow down at some point, and i'd rather owe 75k on it than 100k.  

thanks, 

adam

Post: brrr.. refi amount??

Adam DrummondPosted
  • Investor
  • Greenville, SC
  • Posts 252
  • Votes 92
Originally posted by @Stan Sugarman:

One of the Atlanta area gurus  always preached borrowing as much as possible in the years leading up to 2007 crash. For 4 years his properties were being auctioned off at foreclosure Tuesday in Dekalb. He lost everything he built in a lifetime of real estate investing due to negative cash flow. Worst case on maximizing cash flow is you miss out on a few deals but the flip side is leverage maximizes your losses in the downturn if you cannot afford to service the debt load.

i agree with you 100%.  I sold real estate full time starting back in 2004-2005, and i remember the market just coming to a complete stop.  i want to be able to sleep at night knowing that i can handle /manage what i currently have.  i think there is prob a good middle ground somewhere in between both sides.  

Post: brrr.. refi amount??

Adam DrummondPosted
  • Investor
  • Greenville, SC
  • Posts 252
  • Votes 92

@Gareth Jackson

@Stan Sugarman

@Michael Noto

@Brian Garrett

thanks for the input.  some people say dead equity is a bad thing to leave sitting around...  others say leverage as little as possible, and cash flow as much as possible.   i am more conservative, and do not want to owe a huge amount if not necessary.  always looking for different advice from others who have a lot more experience than i do though.

thanks,

adam

Post: What is the advantages and disadvantages for BRRRR?

Adam DrummondPosted
  • Investor
  • Greenville, SC
  • Posts 252
  • Votes 92
Originally posted by @Garrett Pearson:

I heard no advantages mentioned. I'm taking it as the general consensus is not to do them?

i am almost finished w/ my first brrr property.  i bought the property and rehabbed the property w/ my own money.  i will refinance it and pull all my money back out, and do it all over again.  the house will cash flow almost 400/month, and once i refi... i will have zero money out of pocket, and will still have a lot of equity in the house.  what's not to like about that method?

adam