Part of it is market competition, part of it is genuine risk, part of it is average loan amount size.

Looks like we are both from the Bay Area, happy to meet up if you're genuinely interested in KC market.

I've always had a genuine interest in real estate but never had a mentor or anyone who can take me under their wing and teach me the ropes about this world and how to jump into it.

SBF was rogue, bankers were rogue during the financial housing crisis it doesn't mean the underlying asset is not genuine.

I am genuinely curious if its considered acceptable protocol.Your advice may be practical, but its kind of like suggesting people take their wives to dinner and deduct as a business expense.

The vast majority of active BP members are new investors looking to learn, followed by a good portion of us old pro's who never kicked the BP habit, and then a lovely little sprinkling of both investors who have a genuine axe to grind and are trying to help the community avoid their same mistakes, and people who just love to be confrontational - BP is still the internet, after all.

We all are looking for genuine advise not just the high profile figure to speak at the meeting so any of your contact can be speaker who has deep knowledge in their field. 

Everyone seems genuinely helpful!

At best, that stock is going to have an IRR of 6-8%.Please notice that I am absolutely not trying to argue with you and I just genuinely want to understand what is your point: are you saying that, in order for this to be a good deal, I should be completely ignoring the exit value the increased NOI will bring to the property, and just focus on the actual increased cash flow the increased NOI will bring me?

So in that case, you'd still need to find 20% of the purchase price in liquid cash to buy the property.Private money from a real genuine private investor might go to 100% if you know them, but its still a big risk for the lender, so it would most likely have to be someone in your network already that knows and trusts you.