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All Forum Posts by: Joe Bertolino

Joe Bertolino has started 7 posts and replied 1232 times.

Post: HELOC to buy 2 rental property or sell house in 2 years?

Joe BertolinoPosted
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  • El Dorado Hills, CA
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Quote from @Patrick McGinn:

Hello, I have a question with many answers. Trying to narrow down the right one. My goal is to scale and acquire sfr and/or mfr before interest rates price me out of profitable real estate. I own a home in Sacramento California. I bought it in 2020 at $260k & it has appreciated at least $100k. I'd like to pull out equity to buy positive cash flowing properties OOS. I am 70% through your book. I am thinking about taking a HELOC with an 80% LTV & a promo of 2.99% for the 1st year & 4.99% starting after that. I owe 200k on the house, so the HELOC would be for 88k. I was thinking about buying 2 sub-100k properties OOS with the money, between August & December 2022+$$ for repairs&reserves. The promo lasts from Aug '22- Aug '23 & we pay the variable rate for 1 year & then sell the California house in fall '24 to pay off the HELOC. Right now the California house is rented. The mortgage is $1271 but after vacancy, repairs/maint, capex, I break even every month. What are my best options in your opinions? Any insight you can provide on what you would do would be helpful for my journey.


 Have you lived in the Sacramento house 2 of the past 5 years?  

Post: Cancelling my purchase contract on folsom ca home?

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Quote from @Kevin Sobilo:

@Joe Bertolino, so what you are saying is that eventually someone will end up in charge that will run it into the ground.

And of course there are definitely not 40 million people in CA that "want to be there".

Also, CA isn't even a top 10 state in terms of highly educated people. You stated "highest population" because its a big state, but on a percentage basis they aren't one of the most educated and of course that is more meaningful.

Or would you prefer to say that CA has the largest population of uneducated people?!? Since that would be equally as accurate I believe! lmao


 We have the most of everything,  good and bad. Per capita means little when we are discussing economic drivers and innovation. We have the most PHD’s, Millionaires, Billionaires, top 20 universities, VC Funding, F500 companies (tied), GDP, etc.   I think we have proven that even the most incompetent leadership cannot drive the state into the ground… seeing that Gavin just posted a $97B budget surplus.  

People are free to bet against CA real estate but history and math is not on their side. 

Post: Cancelling my purchase contract on folsom ca home?

Joe BertolinoPosted
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Quote from @Kevin Sobilo:

@Joe Bertolino, I'm sure 20+ years ago many people felt the same way about investing in Sears. Long term patterns do end. Nothing is forever.

Whether that happens soon or a long time from now who knows, but that pattern will change. So, an investor should be looking at more than that.


 You are comparing the 5th largest economy on the planet with the best weather, most resources and largest population of highly educated and wealthy people with elite universities to Sears,  a great company destroyed by a Goldman Sachs bean counter who overthought everything.  Very few people outside of CA understand how things work here.  As the kids are saying “if you get it, you get it.”  It’s not for everybody but there are 40m people that want to be here.  

I live here,  in the exact area where this home is and I could sell that house for $600k ten times over in the next 30 days.  That’s why I said the builder is thrilled.  They will sell it for $650k+. 

Post: Cancelling my purchase contract on folsom ca home?

Joe BertolinoPosted
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Quote from @Kevin Sobilo:

@Ramki D., appreciation is ALWAYS in doubt because you can speculate about it but have no control over market appreciation.

Cash-flow is better because you have more control over it AND because you get the money NOW.

Making $2k per year for 20 years is MUCH better than making $40k on appreciation 20 years from now because of the time value of money and also because inflation makes future money worth less than present day money.

Market appreciation looks sexy and sometimes it is when the market is hot but a lot of the time it's eyewash and not as good as it looks like on the surface.

CA is a different beast.  NYC is a different beast as well.   You cannot count on appreciation in the short term but over any ten year period CA has never failed to hit average appreciation gains of 6%+.  Dips, crashes, etc… through it all the annual appreciation is 6.8% over the past 100 years.  

Post: Cancelling my purchase contract on folsom ca home?

Joe BertolinoPosted
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Quote from @Ramki D.:

@Joe Bertolino since you are in this area for a very long time, in your opinion if the market corrects, how much % home values will go down in Folsom? I am sure they will follow the market trend. 10 - 15% or more? As you are aware this is a kb home in front of the up coming dignity health campus.

There is a roughly zero percent chance of a 10-15% price correction on a $600k home in Folsom Ranch in my opinion.   The shacks over off of School Street and Duchow are approaching that number.  

I can certainly see 10-15% on the $1.5-1.8m houses in Lakeview Oaks but not within FHA loan levels. 3 bedroom apartments in Folsom are renting for $3k and they are full.  

Post: Cancelling my purchase contract on folsom ca home?

Joe BertolinoPosted
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Quote from @Ramki D.:

@Joe Bertolino thrilled in a bad or good way?


 Thrilled because they will sell it for more than $600k.  That is basically the floor in Folsom Ranch.  

Post: Cancelling my purchase contract on folsom ca home?

Joe BertolinoPosted
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The builder will be thrilled 

Post: Do Off Market Deals Exist Anymore?

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There are still plenty of off-market deals being found.  Some agents market like wholesalers looking for distressed properties.  

Post: Mortgage rate impact on real estate

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Quote from @Joseph Henry:

I live in a suburb of Sacramento where the median list price is around 780k. We currently own a home values at 950k. The loan balance remaining on this house is 70k. We have been thinking about upgrading to a bigger home. The homes we are interested in are priced in the 1.5 to 2M range. Considering the recent increase in the mortgage rates, what would you do if you were in my situation? That is roughly $700 increasing in the payment per month.


 I think you are in a decent spot.  Your price point to Sell is very hot.  At $1.7-2m it’s gets a lot softer.  Still hot but not at the same level. 

Post: A recession is coming and maybe as early as summer

Joe BertolinoPosted
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I see a recession coming… but I don’t see any indication that real estate will take a significant hit.  Buyers are well qualified and we have not had significant new construction since 2009.  Supply chain issues have pushed new builds from 4 months to 15 months.  There is basically zero standing inventory.  Rents are not significantly less than mortgage payments for equivalent properties.   Most ibuyers are still going full steam ahead.  Until we solve the inventory issue, which won’t be anytime soon,  pricing will not take much of a hit.  Rate increases might take things from white hot to just hot.