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but folks that bought houses at fixed rates for the purposes of living in them are OK - right? doesn't this just put pressure on buyers going forward?
Yes, if you bought at a fixed rate to live in then your fine in terms of your monthly payment. That doesn't mean you actually have real equity in your asset. Equity is derived based on what the market prices your property at. Everybody is "stuck" in their properties right now. It is a standoff between sellers and buyers right now. Some buyers may get desperate and overpay, before this is realized. On the flip side, people have life circumstances that require them to move. However, if you sell out of a fixed rate mortgage, where are you going to go for a similar payment that you have? If rates stay this high for a prolonged period of time, then the home values will drop. The real estate market is broken. It is usually a 3-6 month lag before rates are fully priced in to real estate values.
Very true observation. There's no need to rush anything as the Fed implicitly said they may reduce the rate to 2.5% in 2024/2025. This is more like a waiting game until they reduce the Fed fund rate.
God wants more unemployment and much-lowered housing price.
Unemployment is 3.7% and roughly 10% of the population is useless. 12% of the people that take the ASVAB fail and are deemed completely useless by the US military. They are not qualified to peel potatoes or reconstitute food. The upside I guess is that very few of these folks are homeowners. Unemployment jumping to normal levels will not come from the top 50%. My 14-year-old daughter started putting in applications for her first job and had 9 interviews scheduled within 3 days. Her phone blew up. Pay is starting at $15/hr.
I predict you will see a bunch of 2-1 buydown products securing 4% rates for 2 years and then in 2024/2025 people will refi. You will also see a lot more seller financing and subject 2 deals with actual cash coming into the deal. Not everyone makes decisions like those of us on BP. Some people want a certain house in a certain area and they don't really care about the details. They have the income to where a $1500 bump in payment doesn't move the needle for them. Rates may go up or may go down but they want to be living where they want to be living while it happens.
We are talking about homes, where people live. Not strictly investments. It is not like you can rent for much less than the mortgage payment in most desirable markets. A huge chunk of the SFR rental market was sold off over the past few years. Many Landlords have cashed out and sold to homeowners. That rental housing stock is not coming back on the market. It's not like 15 years ago when the market was flooded with housing. Boomers are not going to flood the market as they downsize because they have 2% rates. They are just going to stay in their larger homes. We didn't build very much housing from 2009-2019. And homebuilders barely got things cranked up and then covid hit and supply chain issues put the brakes on it. Inventory is 3.7 months in my market. I went to the caravan last week and there were 3 houses coming on. Anything decent still gets snapped up in a few days.