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All Forum Posts by: Steven Bond

Steven Bond has started 9 posts and replied 134 times.

Post: FIG - Fourplex Investment Group Reviews

Steven BondPosted
  • Developer
  • Provo, UT
  • Posts 141
  • Votes 89

@Collin Baumann you can schedule a phone call with one of our sales consultants via our consultation page on top right of home page. Thanks!

Post: FIG - Fourplex Investment Group Reviews

Steven BondPosted
  • Developer
  • Provo, UT
  • Posts 141
  • Votes 89

hi @Jacob Anderson I cannot post our site per the rules of BP but our profile has info.  Really appreciate your interest.  @Brandon S. you can call me anytime.  We value the loyalty and interest of our clients.  We also actively invest ourselves in our own projects. 

Post: FIG - Fourplex Investment Group Reviews

Steven BondPosted
  • Developer
  • Provo, UT
  • Posts 141
  • Votes 89

@Brandon S. @Sam Levin and @Becca Summers thank you for inquiring and sharing your thoughts about us. FIG has been a great niche in the market place in Utah, Idaho and Texas.  Like Sam and Becca have said, I truly do believe we have been doing great things for our clients.  But you are right Brandon.  No company is Perfect and without flaws. I’ll tell you some of the mis steps we have had in our growth which has led to over $350M in sales in 5 years.  

1. Scale.  Growing companies is incredibly challenging.  Doing something once is nothing like doing it 10 times.  Or 100 times.  Compounding that we are replicating in other states with different trade bases, municipal guidelines, lending practices, etc. This throws massive wrenches into the system.  This also creates a bumpier ride for us and for our clients. But they have all come out the other side better than they started financially and FIG has always honored their commitments financially when their is a delay to compensate our clients. 

2. Communication. Because of the tremendous growth at times the communication is more “mass” communication verse a personalized hand held approach.  We miss the one on one with every client and have been adapting new systems and hiring new people to improve but this is still an area of focus. A client can always call, text or email for personalized updates anytime though and get service on their terms. 

3. With scale also comes inefficiencies.  Today’s building climate is one of the most competitive in history.  Our last recession wiped out a massive amount of our labor market as have recent regulations. We have an imbalanced society with fewer and fewer willing participants to swing the hammer on a job site and be in the elements 8-12 hour days vs in a fast food place or office setting.  This labor shortage leads to increased costs for labor as well as delays as there are only so many laborers and  a massive amount of building going on.  For example. Just 10-15 years ago and all prior it was the sub contractors marketing to the general contractors to earn the chance to give a bid on their project. They would impress with swag, trips, etc.  Now, many general contractor companies need marketing’s crews specifically to recruit and retain loyal subs that will be reasonably affordable and show up and then stay on the job till completion.  I call this the tail wagging the dog in the building market. 

4. Patience:  The FIG business model is one of the “long play”. A client looking to “get rich quick” should call an infomercial salesmen and see what they have. Oft times when investing with FIG you will commit to something that is as much as two years out.  Our team is relentless about analysis of areas for jobs, housing, unemployment, growth, and job depth (kinds of jobs as we like STEM growth in the areas we invest in). These factors help edge against the risk of time and have yielded superior results for clients.  

Another aspect of the patience needed is that stabilization of a 200-300 unit project feels different than a partnership or syndication.  Reason is your investment is fee simple so if you buy a fourplex all you really financially care about is your units being filled yet our PM group is fair and fills across the board fairly which means there is also a stabilization game of patience clients need to be prepared for.  

So there you have it. I hope some of these “skeletons” in the closet shed more light on details you may or may not have heard of yet.  With any other questions don’t hesitate to book a consult on our site.  Our team is full of educators. Our culture is that real estate does NOT need to be sold.  The good stuff sells itself. However, every deal deserves and should have the right education to help clients see how that deal translates into what their objectives and needs are.  

Happy investing!

Post: FIG - fourplex investment group

Steven BondPosted
  • Developer
  • Provo, UT
  • Posts 141
  • Votes 89

@Peter Schuyler I would talk with @Steve Olson about the FIG projects in TX. He is over the marketing and client relationships there and would be more than happy to help. Thanks for reaching out again.

Post: LOOKING FOR PHOENIX MULTI UNIT PROPERTIES

Steven BondPosted
  • Developer
  • Provo, UT
  • Posts 141
  • Votes 89

We were in that area last week and going to be taking operations into the Valley. I was born and raised AZ and our business model will do well in that market.  Now we're seeking new land opportunities throughout Maricopa County for this purpose so you'll have some great multifamily options to invest in. 

@Kate Weinberg you are spot on.  Part of our system (one of the main parts) is that we share risk so that our clients get alot of the meat and we can build a whole lot more (and for less) because the financing of the construction loan is in the buyers name. So you pay for the pre-construction and own it from the date it starts with guaranteed delivery terms and they are fixed-bid contracts so if there is a cost-overrun or lumber goes up for example, the builder/developer absorbs that.  For existing inventory you wouldn't be buying from FIG, but you would actually be buying from one of these investors that got the construction loan in their name and we would help make that connection. Let me know if I didn't answer that as clearly as you were wanting or I can help any further and have an awesome Memorial Day weekend. My kids just got out of school (yay-last day) so I'm about to bail and go have some family time, but I'll be available off and on and back on Tuesday.  

@Kate Weinberg we have pocket inventory to our sold projects for clients that are open to re-selling upon completion.  Typically our clients will re-sale for around $100-$200k higher than the price they pay pre-construction due to the equity they pick up.  That is assuming a performing cap rate (including property management) at 5.5% (ish) for resale properties.  For example, in The Overlook development in Herriman, UT I have an offer coming in today (on a pocket listing) for $850k and the unit is getting certificate of occupancy this next week so it's not even rented yet, but we have substantial rental comps in the community.  If you're looking to get a peek at some of our pocket inventory go to our "sold" section of the website and you'll see the projects we're building or built and one of my team members can help you out with what we know of that's "off market" within our projects. Thanks for your interest! 

Great feedback @William Hochstedler. Your advice is always spot on and correct. There are equity plays in the multifamily market, but patience and a little more risk is necessary.  Existing inventory is near complete scarcity except for the random lucky deal that pops up with an agent or owner that doesn't know how to value multifamily.

Post: Ogden Utah NUREIA Meeting - May 2 - Mike Watson, Speaker

Steven BondPosted
  • Developer
  • Provo, UT
  • Posts 141
  • Votes 89

@William Hochstedler I still believe people can have great knowledge, options and capacity to teach. I'd just be curious as to his response to what happened to him over the last 10 yrs and how things have changed in his business from what happened. What was learned, etc. 

Post: Ogden Utah NUREIA Meeting - May 2 - Mike Watson, Speaker

Steven BondPosted
  • Developer
  • Provo, UT
  • Posts 141
  • Votes 89

Is this the same guy? What's the status of his strategy now vs. then?

 http://archive.sltrib.com/story.php?ref=/sltrib/mo...