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All Forum Posts by: Tom Gimer

Tom Gimer has started 12 posts and replied 3421 times.

Post: Subject-To Deals Risky?

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Quote from @Dylan Speer:

Hi everyone,

I recently got contacted by an investor who is interested in doing a "subject to" deal on a condo I own. The proposal sounds promising, and I wanted to reach out to see if anyone here has experience with this type of arrangement.

The investor has offered to give me $10,000 upfront, which seems to indicate that he has some skin in the game. Additionally, he mentioned that a lawyer would be involved in the transaction, which provides some reassurance. However, I'm still cautious and want to ensure I'm not missing any critical details.

Has anyone here done a subject-to deal before? How did it go, and what should I watch out for? Also, with the investor putting down $10k upfront, does this typically mean they're more likely to keep up with the mortgage payments?

I'd appreciate any insights, advice, or experiences you can share. Thanks in advance for your help!

Best,

Dylan 

IMO re the $10k to seller being actual skin in the game... it depends on the current or potential rent, the type of lender, and the time and expense it takes to foreclose in the jurisdiction where the property is located.

Having an attorney involved with the sub-to closing is irrelevant.

If I was considering this realistically I would assume I am accepting $10k to have my credit trashed.

Post: Title insurance for property obtained after tax lien foreclosure.

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The fact pattern is missing WHY they would not insure. Nobody can answer the question as written.

Was the foreclosure completed without representation by an experienced local tax sale attorney?

Post: Need advice on a short sale where the 2nd cancelled the request, charged off?

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@Cliff Durrett Just buy at the auction. It’s currently a mess but the f/c will clean it up. 

Fannie apparently can’t release the lien now but it can be extinguished as a matter of law through the foreclosure. 

Post: Need advice on a short sale where the 2nd cancelled the request, charged off?

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The lien needs to be paid and/or released. A third party likely purchased that debt from the original lender (uncollectible by typical debt collector standards) for pennies on the dollar. And that lien is a huge title problem waiting to happen for anybody who thinks it disappeared when an accounting decision was made.

It's a tough situation for the borrower. Track down the new owner of the debt to complete the short sale and wake a sleeping creditor who doesn't need to play ball; or ignore it somehow (bad title company) and the new parties in interest get foreclosed from first lien position by somebody just waiting for the opportunity to squeeze everyone.

Post: How easy is it to foreclose when selling S2 (Subject to)?

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You're correct that they would make payments directly to the lender. AND they would also pay me an agreed upon amount monthly. They'd be taking over an 80k loan and buying the property for 125k.  They'd be making payments to me toward the purchase price -- let's say $250/mo for 5 years, then a lump sum. 

We're not headed toward foreclosure. The property is just a hassle (and some years it's an alligator), and I'd like to get it off my hands and put the money elsewhere. My credit is excellent and I am concerned about having the buyer miss payments. I might not do the S2 in the end. 


Wrap the existing mortgage, as suggested... or take a balloon second for your equity. That way you could foreclose.


Tom quick question on the seconds you may do in the states you work in.. is there an automatic NOD provision on the mortgage/deed of trust.. In other words when the first goes NOD There is a provision that the second gets notified by the trustee on the first. So the second knows the status of the first.. But then again now that I am thinking about it on a sub to if the first goes NOD the seller is going to get bombarded by the bank.. But it could be a private first and they may not mention anything. ???

Jay, the holder of the second would be a defendant in the first mortgage foreclosure action. Without notice and the opportunity to defend their position, the second lien would survive. 

Is that what you’re asking? Probably not!

Post: How easy is it to foreclose when selling S2 (Subject to)?

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Quote from @Lindsey Bodner:

You're correct that they would make payments directly to the lender. AND they would also pay me an agreed upon amount monthly. They'd be taking over an 80k loan and buying the property for 125k.  They'd be making payments to me toward the purchase price -- let's say $250/mo for 5 years, then a lump sum. 

We're not headed toward foreclosure. The property is just a hassle (and some years it's an alligator), and I'd like to get it off my hands and put the money elsewhere. My credit is excellent and I am concerned about having the buyer miss payments. I might not do the S2 in the end. 


Wrap the existing mortgage, as suggested... or take a balloon second for your equity. That way you could foreclose.

Post: New law makes wholesaling illegal is SC

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Some posters have no idea how networked wholesalers do business.

Many contracts we receive are accompanied or followed by assignments the same day. No marketing required. No investorlift, no Craigslist, no email blasts, no BS contingencies included. 

In fact when I see the contract, the neighborhood and the purchase price, I have a decent idea who the assignee will be. 

Post: Should I avoid Baltimore?

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Should I buy a whole street of rowhouses in Baltimore for $1k each?

No. Large investment in a failed area,

City should be paying investors to take those chances.

Post: What are New ‘Investors” Looking For When They Come to BP?

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Most are looking for contracts to use/the best contract terms to include and also identifying investor-friendly title companies in the areas they are trying to work. 

Some are looking to network with more experienced investors to bounce ideas off of and/or potentially JV with.

I think BP is a great resource for all of the above. 

But I do agree with the sentiment of your post.

Post: Thoughts on this? Did this realtor violate anything?

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@Justin W. The law on restrictive covenants is very state-specific and developed through case law over time. You can't get a truly helpful answer here without sharing the exact and complete language in all the instruments, information concerning the parties involved in the original transaction, and details on what has transpired since.

I actually can't tell from the question what the goal is. Is the goal finding someone to blame and punish, or avoiding/striking the deed restrictions themselves?

The goal is to remove the mobile home. Nothing more. The mobile home that’s halfway in place yet has been sold through a shady deal with restrictions ignored.

The process would be, I believe, to file for a temporary restraining order, followed by a permanent injunction, to enforce the deed restriction. If successful the process would end with a court order requiring the mobile home to be removed.

The question would be easier to answer if the actual language was provided so it could be determined that the restriction runs with the land and bind subsequent owners.