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All Forum Posts by: Tom Gimer

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Post: Which lawyer do I use?

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@Carlo D. There are law firms that specialize in this field. Privatelenderlaw.com comes to mind.

Post: Want to buy a foreclosure Auction property that has solar panels

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 @ tom Based on what I read on their website its with the state. So does this mean all that they can do is remove the equitment and nothing to do with liening the home for the remaining balance ? 

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Your fact pattern states the owner purchased solar equipment. That doesn’t mesh with a chattel filing. 

But either way… I don’t envision an issue with the 2022 solar transaction.

Here’s why. Either the property owner leased the equipment and the UCC was intended to notify the world that a third party owns it (no, that vendor cannot now or later lien the subject real property) OR the property owner purchased the equipment and that 2022 lien is about to get wiped by the foreclosure of a first priority mortgage. It is a first mortgage being foreclosed, right?

Post: Want to buy a foreclosure Auction property that has solar panels

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@Scott Esmail You’ll need to find and pull the financing statement and review it carefully to get the answer. 

Is the UCC filed with the state OR is it recorded in the land records?

If it’s a chattel filing with the state, the foreclosure would not affect the secured party’s interest… they could still repossess the equipment. But if it’s a fixture filing recorded among the land records, then that junior lien may be extinguished in a properly-conducted foreclosure. 

Good luck. 

Post: Anticipating a decedent's next of kin / strategies for acquiring off-market deals

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@Wesley W. i assume you’ve already confirmed how title is held and that the property will need to go thru probate.

So keep an eye out for the opening of an estate, presumably in the state where the owner currently lives. Estate records are often public and searchable — and the executor/personal representative would be listed. Ancillary probate might also be required in the state where the subject property is located… so you might have a local PR to deal with. 

Good luck. 

Post: Seller financing question

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Unless the seller/lender is added to title as a joint tenant, which would be downright stupid, the only other way they are “getting the property back” after the death of the buyer/borrower would be to foreclose and be the high bidder at the auction.

Post: Help with writing a "subject to" offer

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The buyer and seller sign disclosures at closing outlining all of the various risks of a subject-to transaction; they agree and understand that they are voluntarily proceeding, having had the opportunity to obtain the advice of independent counsel; and of course they release everybody involved (including any real estate agents) from liability.

Ours even spells out exactly what will happen if they try to blame us for their own stupidity including agreeing to indemnify us for any attorneys fees and expenses we incur in defending and/or dismissing the complaint.

Post: Solar lien disposition on vacant lot

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The fact pattern states the equipment was leased (owned by the solar company, not the property owner). That’s crucial. 

The solar equipment destroyed, there is nothing for the lender to remove. The lease is now unsecured debt… not a junior lien on the land.

So, the UCC-1 is now an unsecured debt against the decedent's estate, I assume?
Wood tile need in order to reconvey since the lien still shows up?
 


The unpaid lease may lead to a claim against the estate of the decedent but it’s not a title issue, IMO. 

Again, this is if the equipment was in fact leased. If purchased with financing and the security interest represented by the UCC was timely perfected, I would have a completely different opinion.

It is actually a loan, however, the panels are not attached to the property as is stated in the agreement:

"Personal Property. You and we both expressly intend that no portion of the Collateralized Goods will constitute a “fixture” attached to any real property, and that the Collateralized Goods will be removable personal property. You also agree not to take any action that might cause the Collateralized Goods to be treated as real property or as fixtures to real property. You agree that we may make a fixture filing, if we choose, provided that you and we agree that we may enforce rights in the Collateralized Goods under the Uniform Commercial Code and not under state real estate or mortgage law."

Even more reason to not worry about it. The security interest was in the personal property of a third party.

Can the title company still require a termination? Sure, they can. That's a business decision. But it's like requiring a release for a mortgage 3 owners back that has a verified $0 balance. What's the point? There is zero potential liability.

Post: 5 Tips To Create A Real Wholesaling Business And Not a Chop Shop

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@Jonathan Greene “Huh? You think it's odd that a fiduciary duty would apply to someone who calls a person or markets to them to buy their house, tells them how they are going to buy it (or assign it), puts down a deposit on it, brings in other people to show said person's house, and then executes a deal with a third party where they get paid?

I think what you said is more odd and the exact reason why laws against wholesaling are being put in place all over.”

If the person in question were the REAL buyer, no question of fiduciary responsibility exists; the buyer is merely a PRINCIPAL in the transaction, and as such has no duty to the seller.    The question of fidelity, honesty, disclosure and or fiduciary exists BECAUSE the person in question (wholesaler) is NOT the real buyer.  So, states are beginning to look at the “role” of the wholesaler two ways.  First, if the wholesaler is a PRINCIPAL in the transaction, then if he signs a contract stating he will purchase the property but has NO INTENT to close, merely wants to flip the contract, that is arguably fraud.  The other way some states are looking at the role of wholesaler is that the wholesaler is NOT a principal to the transaction; i.e., he is an intermediary.  As an intermediary he is subject to the laws, rules and regulations regarding real estate broker activities in the state in question.  

The pros in the areas we do business do more than just assign contracts. Sure they may assign to the right end buyer... but they will also buy, rehab and resell retail, or buy and hold short-term and resell, etc. Point being they find good deals and then figure out how best to monetize them. That's hardly fraud. And there is definitely no fiduciary relationship established with the seller.

There are wholesale companies that cater to investors and stay within the law. Look up Express Home Buyers, NewWestern, MarketPro, just to name a few.

Post: 5 Tips To Create A Real Wholesaling Business And Not a Chop Shop

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Not too hard for someone who reads and understand plain English, which is what it takes to understand the law. Or, if one can't read and comprehend it, pay $300 to an attorney and let them explain it to you. As long as wholesaling is legal it shouldn't be hard to do it while complying with the law. If they ban it, then court challenges are likely and how it will settle is to be seen. 


 Just get your license bro it is a few hundred dollars. It won't kill you. Sadly real estate costs money. Just follow the rules. You a sole investor are not going to overule a ruling made by legislators. 


I wrote earlier that if wholesaling works out for me in MD (I will have at least 1 year to try it and see where it goes) , I will get a REA license. It takes 60 hours class, an exam and sponsorship from local REA. I just don't see how adding bureaucracy , burden of state and board regulations and adding costs to each transaction will benefit the business. After all this is not retail business, it's mean to find and supply cheap properties to investors many of whom rely on HML to finance the project. Someone will pay for this and it will be sellers who will get less for their property and retail buyers who will pay more for after repair house. And all this could be handled with existing laws in the books.


Eric.

there are a lot of occupations that require license

Plumbing
electrical
mechanical
Architect
engineer
Pilot
doctor
Lawyer
Dentist

and on and on.. I I learned how to fly years ago in about 10 hours I soloed.. but I was not licensed I had a student license after passing physical but you still needed to take the big test and a flight test to be legal and get your wings.

Real estate for most folks is their most important or biggest financial asset they have or will have and now you have all these unlicensed yahoos running around with little to no education many with very suspect morals etc .. trying to bring buyer and seller together for compensation.. Its Nuts to allow this..

Jay, I will give you that there are a lot of yahoos who do stupid and criminal things. I am for one against it. It's bad for business. It's one thing if you want to screw over someone , steal $10K and disappear into thin air. It's another if you look at it as a sustainable source of income, which what business is. Those yahoos, when they do egregious things, spoil it for everyone and should be caught and prosecuted for crimes they engage in. I am not the one to advocate for nuts and morons. 

As to licensing, professions you listed are all catering to public in some way. Wholesalers don't. Although wholesalers source their product from general population (home owners), they actually cater to investors. Investors are business owners who have to know what they are doing and accept the risks for doing a business for profit. Hence I don't see need for a REA license.

When it comes to sellers, no one stops seller from listing their property with REA or getting it sold through a broker. It's their choice, as adults, to sell it for cash and off the market. And we already have MD Loss Mitigation laws in place which protect most vulnerable, those who are 60+ days past due on the mortgage. Why should State interfere with it any further, increasing the cost of transaction while doing so? We already have MLS where sellers can have REA list their properties and try to get most cash using brokers and REA. Who prevents sellers from doing it?


This is a ludicrous statement - "Although wholesalers source their product from general population (home owners), they actually cater to investors."

Most sellers believe they are engaging in an arm's length transaction with a buyer, not a wholesaler. The seller is the client and if you are transacting real estate business, most courts would likely decide, at some point, that a fiduciary duty is owed which is why states are cracking down on it.

If you are catering to investors, that is the problem. You can't cater to investors and also help the seller who is the person you are contacting first and placing their house "under contract" for you to buy, or in small print, assign.

Odd for an attorney to make the claim that a contract purchaser has/should have a fiduciary duty to a seller. 

The seller is most definitely not the client. And yes, in my experience most wholesalers are basically just bird-dogging for investors who don't want to deal with finding properties. As has been noted in recent wholesaling threads (perhaps even this one), the marketing that produces off-market seller leads can cost many, many thousands of dollars per month.


Huh? You think it's odd that a fiduciary duty would apply to someone who calls a person or markets to them to buy their house, tells them how they are going to buy it (or assign it), puts down a deposit on it, brings in other people to show said person's house, and then executes a deal with a third party where they get paid?

I think what you said is more odd and the exact reason why laws against wholesaling are being put in place all over.

An investor cannot, while he or she is trying to secure property on the best possible terms, also act in the seller's best interest.

It's odd that you think they can or should.

Post: Math not mathing on wholesaler lists

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As part of my investing journey, I'm now on quite a few wholesaler lists and receive off-market deals almost daily.

On properties I'm interested in, I'll get into the research on the property and then run numbers (working hard to develop these skills), and then I'll notice that some of these deals aren't deals.

For example a property is being wholesaled for 120k, but was last bought in 2022 for 60k, it needs a ton of work (30k est), it's vacant, and they say'll it'll ARV at 180k and the neighborhood comps (both nearby sold properties and even rents actually) do not support that ARV. It won't cash flow, and it's like the wholesaler wants the appreciation before it, you know, appreciates.

It feels like some wholesalers are hyping up properties to out of state investors (of which I am one) and they are banking on us not doing even the basic amount of calculations.

I wouldn't touch quite a few of these wholesale "deals", and am wondering what the purpose of wholesaling is actually. Is there something I'm missing?


Kris congratulations, seriously, you are passing the test! The test where one uses there head for more then a neck weight or hat holder.

Your spot-on. 

Thing is, once upon a time wholesalers engaged in there place, and were happy to do so. They were a conduit for the "deal" and many were proud of such. 

That creature is all but extinct. 

And like some body-snacher flick this parasite has taken over the "wholesaler" space all but totally, zombified creature feeding on your capital vs brains although they do consume a considerable amount of ones patience as well. 

They argue there existence is just, taking people for every cent regardless of viability int he "deal" just, because they could, because people allow them to do so. 

The honor in the craft is all but completely gone. 

Not in my markets. 

The wholesaler is the source of almost all of the rehabber deals that get to the table. Only occasionally is there a REALTOR involved.

The people who suck at numbers and are  “parasites” actually don’t close deals and eventually get ignored by most. We’re in the business of closing deals, not wasting money on title searches, time, etc. for files that don’t get to settlement.