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All Forum Posts by: Tom Gimer

Tom Gimer has started 12 posts and replied 3415 times.

Post: Is inflating a payoff a CRIMINAL OFFENSE in GA?

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Quote from @Jesse LeBlanc:
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@Chris Seveney title insurance covers IF a property closed. Doesn’t cover you when a closing company who wires your money to a prior lien holder and then never closes the deal.  FARRR DIFFERENT SCNENARIO.

First things first... did you receive a closing protection letter?

Property never recorded or closed, attorney wired the funds before anything was finalized for any CPL to matter and E&O with fraud claim is also out the window. 

but I’ll take this one to PM with you since I’m more focused on what if anything could happen later against the prior lien holder and seller for negotiating a “favor” and increase the payoff and keeping the money refusing to send back to the closing attorney after the closing attorney requested the recall.



to me its almost like a scenario when you check your bank account and there is 1 mil in there that should not be there.. you hurry and make a withdrawl  the bank says hey you got to send it back and you say sorry.. something like that.

Got a good one for you, Jay... bank error resulted in two duplicate wires being sent to the same seller. Demand was made... promises, stalling and excuses ensued. A fool would see exactly where that was heading.

They managed to spend some of the "free money" but the account was quickly frozen and judgment entered for constructive trust in the full amount plus the cost of the bond, interest and attorneys fees. Bank released the entire amount upon presentation of the Order.

Post: Is inflating a payoff a CRIMINAL OFFENSE in GA?

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Quote from @Jesse LeBlanc:
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Quote from @Jesse LeBlanc:

@Chris Seveney title insurance covers IF a property closed. Doesn’t cover you when a closing company who wires your money to a prior lien holder and then never closes the deal.  FARRR DIFFERENT SCNENARIO.

First things first... did you receive a closing protection letter?

Property never recorded or closed, attorney wired the funds before anything was finalized for any CPL to matter and E&O with fraud claim is also out the window. 

but I’ll take this one to PM with you since I’m more focused on what if anything could happen later against the prior lien holder and seller for negotiating a “favor” and increase the payoff and keeping the money refusing to send back to the closing attorney after the closing attorney requested the recall.



The purpose of the CPL is to expand coverage beyond the commitment/policy and beyond the title insurer itself to others involved in the process (title agents)... your scenario.

Quick search -- https://houston.fntic.com/getattachment/6efdc91c-3146-46bc-a...

I was saying start the analysis there as that would seem be the simplest route to recovery.

Post: Is inflating a payoff a CRIMINAL OFFENSE in GA?

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Quote from @Jesse LeBlanc:

@Chris Seveney title insurance covers IF a property closed. Doesn’t cover you when a closing company who wires your money to a prior lien holder and then never closes the deal.  FARRR DIFFERENT SCNENARIO.

First things first... did you receive a closing protection letter?

Post: What should a wholesale contract look like?

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IMO the best investor contracts are short and simple enough so as to not be intimidating to sellers, but comprehensive enough to include all the necessary buyer protections and local requirements.

Post: Any Easy way to Get ESCROW Impound Funds BACK - when SUBJECT 2 Loan is paid off ???

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@Michael Morrongiello Oh I know the agreements and the documents used in these transactions. My issue is that a bank/banker should not allow a POA to be used to benefit the agent. The important language in your reply is "on their behalf" -- redirecting the principal's funds is not acting on their behalf.

Seems to me the smartest/easiest way to deal with lender escrow accounts is to have that feature eliminated from the loan ASAP in the subto process... preferably immediately after an annual tax disbursement reduces the account balance to a low point.

But yes, when the principal dies so does the power.

Post: Any Easy way to Get ESCROW Impound Funds BACK - when SUBJECT 2 Loan is paid off ???

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Yes, an entity can be appointed as attorney-in-fact for an individual.

My concern about the above... an attorney-in-fact depositing the funds of the principal into their own account would be an obvious breach of fiduciary duty.

Post: Seller signed Warranty Deed over to buyer so tax foreclosure stopped

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Was the full purchase price paid to the title company, or just the taxes?

If the latter, both buyer and title company may have just created major problems for themselves.

Post: Missed Lien by title leads to missed profits

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@Alan F. Had 1) an assignment or 2) an entity acquisition been possible rather than a (fat) double-close, this would now be the end buyer's problem. And there would be no unanticipated holding costs... the insured could just let the insurer cure the defect once discovered, if ever.

I'm amazed the title company actually did more title exam work and discovered their recent error in the small gap between the two closings. That's just bad luck... not really something DD would catch.

Post: Missed Lien by title leads to missed profits

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Quote from @Eric Chan:

How was I skimming? I bought the property with title insurance with our own money… closed on it and when I tried to sell it that same company said they messed up and missed a lien. Issue is they don’t know who the lien holder is so they have to investigate. 

All I said was that I was following this thread to hear how trying to save a few $ works out. 

@Peter Walther may chime in

Post: Missed Lien by title leads to missed profits

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Following to hear how skimping on the expenses involved in a true double close works out.

I doubt a hold-open or a binder provides the coverage that will be needed here. And lost “profits”??? lol stop 

I have actually fired clients for trying to close on the A—>B of a double close without title insurance. No, not just for being cheap… for being stupid.