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All Forum Posts by: Tom Gimer

Tom Gimer has started 12 posts and replied 3418 times.

Post: Is inflating a payoff a CRIMINAL OFFENSE in GA?

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Quote from @Peter Walther:

You might look at Georgia Code § 16-5-40.

I worked on more than one title insurance claim where an escrow agent disbursed funds before closing so while it's unusual, it's not unique.  Sometimes by mistake, sometimes by direction of the parties, sometimes in an attempt to steal money.

I believe you and your attorney are already pursuing a lien based on equitable subrogation.  While that might succeed, I hope you're also seeking a lien based on unjust enrichment in case it doesn't. 


Yes, having the court impose a constructive trust on the assets is the remedy for a claim (under these circumstances) for unjust enrichment. 

Post: Is inflating a payoff a CRIMINAL OFFENSE in GA?

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@Chris Seveney title insurance covers IF a property closed. Doesn’t cover you when a closing company who wires your money to a prior lien holder and then never closes the deal.  FARRR DIFFERENT SCNENARIO.

First things first... did you receive a closing protection letter?

Property never recorded or closed, attorney wired the funds before anything was finalized for any CPL to matter and E&O with fraud claim is also out the window. 

but I’ll take this one to PM with you since I’m more focused on what if anything could happen later against the prior lien holder and seller for negotiating a “favor” and increase the payoff and keeping the money refusing to send back to the closing attorney after the closing attorney requested the recall.



to me its almost like a scenario when you check your bank account and there is 1 mil in there that should not be there.. you hurry and make a withdrawl  the bank says hey you got to send it back and you say sorry.. something like that.

Got a good one for you, Jay... bank error resulted in two duplicate wires being sent to the same seller. Demand was made... promises, stalling and excuses ensued. A fool would see exactly where that was heading.

They managed to spend some of the "free money" but the account was quickly frozen and judgment entered for constructive trust in the full amount plus the cost of the bond, interest and attorneys fees. Bank released the entire amount upon presentation of the Order.

Daaaaang!! How long did that take? I’m guessing due to the bank having the ability to freeze and see the facts, it wasn’t long.

 
that certainly could have been a lot uglier without swift action!

Yes, the key is being able to get before a judge quickly. The bank won’t do squat without a court order. To get that you need to be preparing the suit, getting the bond and filing the necessary pleadings for an emergency hearing during the same window of time that the recipient is thinking about how to hide or spend the money. 

Post: How do Subject To Offers work for the seller? Won't the loan be called due?

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I'm not here to promote or denounce Sub2. I will say this, there are a number of investors if you want to call them that that have VA's that are making multiple offers for them. Now you said they wanna buy it in a trust account.

Here’s my rant.. talking big words is quite stupid for them to do. It’s juvenile behavior. The confused mind says no so by them using difficult to understand terminology….They’re confusing people.


 What would that mean to buy it in a trust account?

I agree. I'm more of a straight to the point investor and just want to know what the endgame is in the deal so I have more clarity. It's not really a benefit to be confusing.

What they want to do is have the property transferred into a trust (days, hours, minutes) prior to settlement. The declaration identifies the would-be buyer as trustee; and the current owner as the beneficiary of the trust. At settlement what is sold is the beneficial interest in the trust rather than the property itself.

On paper the lender just sees a common estate planning tactic rather than a sale of the property. But what is being proposed is nothing more than an effort to avoid implication of the due on sale clause. This may actually be the best method to prevent the sale from being discovered, but of course there are other potential pitfalls.

Under federal law a transfer to a trust where the grantor retains the beneficial interest WOULD be exempt from the DOS... but notice how in the context outlined above the exemption would disappear.

Post: Is inflating a payoff a CRIMINAL OFFENSE in GA?

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@Chris Seveney title insurance covers IF a property closed. Doesn’t cover you when a closing company who wires your money to a prior lien holder and then never closes the deal.  FARRR DIFFERENT SCNENARIO.

First things first... did you receive a closing protection letter?

Property never recorded or closed, attorney wired the funds before anything was finalized for any CPL to matter and E&O with fraud claim is also out the window. 

but I’ll take this one to PM with you since I’m more focused on what if anything could happen later against the prior lien holder and seller for negotiating a “favor” and increase the payoff and keeping the money refusing to send back to the closing attorney after the closing attorney requested the recall.



to me its almost like a scenario when you check your bank account and there is 1 mil in there that should not be there.. you hurry and make a withdrawl  the bank says hey you got to send it back and you say sorry.. something like that.

Got a good one for you, Jay... bank error resulted in two duplicate wires being sent to the same seller. Demand was made... promises, stalling and excuses ensued. A fool would see exactly where that was heading.

They managed to spend some of the "free money" but the account was quickly frozen and judgment entered for constructive trust in the full amount plus the cost of the bond, interest and attorneys fees. Bank released the entire amount upon presentation of the Order.

Post: Is inflating a payoff a CRIMINAL OFFENSE in GA?

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@Chris Seveney title insurance covers IF a property closed. Doesn’t cover you when a closing company who wires your money to a prior lien holder and then never closes the deal.  FARRR DIFFERENT SCNENARIO.

First things first... did you receive a closing protection letter?

Property never recorded or closed, attorney wired the funds before anything was finalized for any CPL to matter and E&O with fraud claim is also out the window. 

but I’ll take this one to PM with you since I’m more focused on what if anything could happen later against the prior lien holder and seller for negotiating a “favor” and increase the payoff and keeping the money refusing to send back to the closing attorney after the closing attorney requested the recall.



The purpose of the CPL is to expand coverage beyond the commitment/policy and beyond the title insurer itself to others involved in the process (title agents)... your scenario.

Quick search -- https://houston.fntic.com/getattachment/6efdc91c-3146-46bc-a...

I was saying start the analysis there as that would seem be the simplest route to recovery.

Post: Is inflating a payoff a CRIMINAL OFFENSE in GA?

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Quote from @Jesse LeBlanc:

@Chris Seveney title insurance covers IF a property closed. Doesn’t cover you when a closing company who wires your money to a prior lien holder and then never closes the deal.  FARRR DIFFERENT SCNENARIO.

First things first... did you receive a closing protection letter?

Post: What should a wholesale contract look like?

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IMO the best investor contracts are short and simple enough so as to not be intimidating to sellers, but comprehensive enough to include all the necessary buyer protections and local requirements.

Post: Any Easy way to Get ESCROW Impound Funds BACK - when SUBJECT 2 Loan is paid off ???

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@Michael Morrongiello Oh I know the agreements and the documents used in these transactions. My issue is that a bank/banker should not allow a POA to be used to benefit the agent. The important language in your reply is "on their behalf" -- redirecting the principal's funds is not acting on their behalf.

Seems to me the smartest/easiest way to deal with lender escrow accounts is to have that feature eliminated from the loan ASAP in the subto process... preferably immediately after an annual tax disbursement reduces the account balance to a low point.

But yes, when the principal dies so does the power.

Post: Any Easy way to Get ESCROW Impound Funds BACK - when SUBJECT 2 Loan is paid off ???

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Yes, an entity can be appointed as attorney-in-fact for an individual.

My concern about the above... an attorney-in-fact depositing the funds of the principal into their own account would be an obvious breach of fiduciary duty.

Post: Seller signed Warranty Deed over to buyer so tax foreclosure stopped

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Was the full purchase price paid to the title company, or just the taxes?

If the latter, both buyer and title company may have just created major problems for themselves.