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All Forum Posts by: Tom Gimer

Tom Gimer has started 12 posts and replied 3415 times.

Post: Transferred contract to LLC, wondering why we still have to sign with our names

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The assignment did not release the original contract purchaser from liability unless the seller expressly consented to the assignment and fully released them (a novation, in effect)… which is not part of the fact pattern.

So the agent is right.

Post: Central PA Real Estate Attorney

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@Tom Gimer do you guys do PA?


Title work, yes. Not legal work though... thanks for asking.

Post: Why jr. Liens can be problematic when in 1st position

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@Chris Seveney the reason I don't pay too much attention to junior liens when buying a first is that the borrower could always add a junior lien after I buy the 1st. I can't control that. 


You can include in the definition of default the creation of an additional lien (either voluntarily or involuntarily).

 @Tom Gimer - You are correct, and many loan docs provide that an additional encumbrance constitutes an event of default.  However, such a provision doesn't actually prevent that additional/junior lien from attaching to the property, leaving the 1st lien lender stuck with the issues @Chris Seveney mentioned.  The one good thing about such a provision is that it allows the senior lender to start foreclosure (or notice of default/cure period) immediately.      


Of course and I never suggested otherwise. But if the docs give you the right to start charging default interest, force release of the lien etc that is at least some leverage, control. 

Post: What to do when a contractor pulls a huge number out of the hat after the fact?

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@Joe S. You're going to need to pull local mechanics lien laws to determine whether a vendor needs a written contract with the owner in order to record a lien. Some states laws say for non-owner occupied property, the vendor doesn't need a written contract.

That said, in the absence of a written agreement if the lien is to be based upon the reasonable value of services provided, that $9k estimate seems like a good starting point.

Post: Why jr. Liens can be problematic when in 1st position

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Quote from @Jamie Bateman:

@Chris Seveney the reason I don't pay too much attention to junior liens when buying a first is that the borrower could always add a junior lien after I buy the 1st. I can't control that. 


You can include in the definition of default the creation of an additional lien (either voluntarily or involuntarily).

Post: Can I get my EMD Back??

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KeyGlee was planning to double close here. The agreement specifically allowed KeyGlee to use the End Buyer's EMD to secure the underlying contract with the actual seller... and to forfeit that EMD if the End Buyer failed to close. That sounds like what happened here. I would be surprised if there weren't notices given to both the defaulting End Buyer (You're in default, you must close by X date or we're forfeiting your deposit) as well as the escrow agent (Buyer defaulted, see contract Earnest Money paragraph regarding release) prior to that actually occurring. If those things did not occur, some regs may have been violated by licensees.

Regarding marketable title, unless the "liens" were in excess of $255,000 IMO there would not be an argument that the seller could not deliver marketable title. And, even if the liens were in excess of $255,000, the seller could bring cash to close and deliver marketable title.

Post: How do Subject To Offers work for the seller? Won't the loan be called due?

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I'm not here to promote or denounce Sub2. I will say this, there are a number of investors if you want to call them that that have VA's that are making multiple offers for them. Now you said they wanna buy it in a trust account.

Here’s my rant.. talking big words is quite stupid for them to do. It’s juvenile behavior. The confused mind says no so by them using difficult to understand terminology….They’re confusing people.


 What would that mean to buy it in a trust account?

I agree. I'm more of a straight to the point investor and just want to know what the endgame is in the deal so I have more clarity. It's not really a benefit to be confusing.

What they want to do is have the property transferred into a trust (days, hours, minutes) prior to settlement. The declaration identifies the would-be buyer as trustee; and the current owner as the beneficiary of the trust. At settlement what is sold is the beneficial interest in the trust rather than the property itself.

On paper the lender just sees a common estate planning tactic rather than a sale of the property. But what is being proposed is nothing more than an effort to avoid implication of the due on sale clause. This may actually be the best method to prevent the sale from being discovered, but of course there are other potential pitfalls.

Under federal law a transfer to a trust where the grantor retains the beneficial interest WOULD be exempt from the DOS... but notice how in the context outlined above the exemption would disappear.

So would I still technically own the properties after closing? I just want to be sure I know what I am getting myself into. To make things easier, I am really just prioritizing cash offers so the process is more seamless. 

No. The property would be transferred to a trust and at settlement you would be selling your interest in that trust. 

As a seller I would be considering offers other than subto, for sure.

Post: Is inflating a payoff a CRIMINAL OFFENSE in GA?

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You might look at Georgia Code § 16-5-40.

I worked on more than one title insurance claim where an escrow agent disbursed funds before closing so while it's unusual, it's not unique.  Sometimes by mistake, sometimes by direction of the parties, sometimes in an attempt to steal money.

I believe you and your attorney are already pursuing a lien based on equitable subrogation.  While that might succeed, I hope you're also seeking a lien based on unjust enrichment in case it doesn't. 


Yes, having the court impose a constructive trust on the assets is the remedy for a claim (under these circumstances) for unjust enrichment. 

Post: Is inflating a payoff a CRIMINAL OFFENSE in GA?

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@Chris Seveney title insurance covers IF a property closed. Doesn’t cover you when a closing company who wires your money to a prior lien holder and then never closes the deal.  FARRR DIFFERENT SCNENARIO.

First things first... did you receive a closing protection letter?

Property never recorded or closed, attorney wired the funds before anything was finalized for any CPL to matter and E&O with fraud claim is also out the window. 

but I’ll take this one to PM with you since I’m more focused on what if anything could happen later against the prior lien holder and seller for negotiating a “favor” and increase the payoff and keeping the money refusing to send back to the closing attorney after the closing attorney requested the recall.



to me its almost like a scenario when you check your bank account and there is 1 mil in there that should not be there.. you hurry and make a withdrawl  the bank says hey you got to send it back and you say sorry.. something like that.

Got a good one for you, Jay... bank error resulted in two duplicate wires being sent to the same seller. Demand was made... promises, stalling and excuses ensued. A fool would see exactly where that was heading.

They managed to spend some of the "free money" but the account was quickly frozen and judgment entered for constructive trust in the full amount plus the cost of the bond, interest and attorneys fees. Bank released the entire amount upon presentation of the Order.

Daaaaang!! How long did that take? I’m guessing due to the bank having the ability to freeze and see the facts, it wasn’t long.

 
that certainly could have been a lot uglier without swift action!

Yes, the key is being able to get before a judge quickly. The bank won’t do squat without a court order. To get that you need to be preparing the suit, getting the bond and filing the necessary pleadings for an emergency hearing during the same window of time that the recipient is thinking about how to hide or spend the money. 

Post: How do Subject To Offers work for the seller? Won't the loan be called due?

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I'm not here to promote or denounce Sub2. I will say this, there are a number of investors if you want to call them that that have VA's that are making multiple offers for them. Now you said they wanna buy it in a trust account.

Here’s my rant.. talking big words is quite stupid for them to do. It’s juvenile behavior. The confused mind says no so by them using difficult to understand terminology….They’re confusing people.


 What would that mean to buy it in a trust account?

I agree. I'm more of a straight to the point investor and just want to know what the endgame is in the deal so I have more clarity. It's not really a benefit to be confusing.

What they want to do is have the property transferred into a trust (days, hours, minutes) prior to settlement. The declaration identifies the would-be buyer as trustee; and the current owner as the beneficiary of the trust. At settlement what is sold is the beneficial interest in the trust rather than the property itself.

On paper the lender just sees a common estate planning tactic rather than a sale of the property. But what is being proposed is nothing more than an effort to avoid implication of the due on sale clause. This may actually be the best method to prevent the sale from being discovered, but of course there are other potential pitfalls.

Under federal law a transfer to a trust where the grantor retains the beneficial interest WOULD be exempt from the DOS... but notice how in the context outlined above the exemption would disappear.