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All Forum Posts by: Tom Gimer

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Post: Advice on Specific Performance for Breach of Real Estate Contract

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You can't take an element from state X such as "uniqueness" and try to apply it in state Y where that appears not to even be part of the analysis.

Let's see how this turns out.


 Tom so you wouldn't be as concerned about that element? I defer to your expertise here. 

Does the contract include a monetary damages provision? Don’t know, haven’t read it. But given that it expressly includes a specific performance provision I would not be ignoring it… and neither would a judge or mediator.

Real estate is unique by nature. People should stop applying sale of goods theories to it.  

Post: Advice on Specific Performance for Breach of Real Estate Contract

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You can't take an element from state X such as "uniqueness" and try to apply it in state Y where that appears not to even be part of the analysis.

Let's see how this turns out.

Post: Advice on Specific Performance for Breach of Real Estate Contract

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If I was in this situation I would hire an attorney and going forward follow the contract to the letter, documenting each breach but also clearly demonstrating readiness to close on the settlement date.

And yes, I would have the lawsuit and lis pendens ready for filing before that date passes.

"I changed my mind" is not a defense and if the seller truly put that in writing and OP doesn't otherwise bungle this by missing a deadline, etc., I sense this could be a winner. Getting that won't be cheap but apparently neither is this investment.

Post: Can I buy a property without being physically present for any part?

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@Matt Wan Many lenders require wet signatures on at least the Promissory Note but if yours does not, as a US citizen you could do the entire signing anywhere on the planet with a good internet connection + mic + camera via Remote Online Notarization (RON) for less than $200.

If wet signatures are required, the answer then depends upon what foreign country you are in. If that country is part of the Hague Convention, a local official can handle the signing and attach an Apostille authenticating the document(s). If not, you'll likely need to sign at the US consulate/embassy... and those appointments often need to be scheduled well in advance.

Post: Advice on Specific Performance for Breach of Real Estate Contract

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@Ryan S. This is purely a state law issue. You're going to want to review the case below and any that have expanded upon the issues cited within it since.

https://law.justia.com/cases/colorado/court-of-appeals/2003/...

Good luck.

Post: Is Subto legal?

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I read that every mortgage has a Due on Sale clause, which means you have to notify the lender when you sale the property and pay the entirety of the loan when you sell the property. 

How do people work with the clause and make these kinds of deals?


First, let's be very clear here.

The mortgage your speaking of is a private agreement between the seller and the lender. The "due on sale" clause (DoSC) obligates the seller to notify the lender if the property is sold.

Failing to do so would place the seller in violation of this agreement, giving the lender the right to accelerate the loan.

But no laws are being broken here.

So, subto is neither legal nor illegal.

Second, it only works because most lenders are more interested in receiving payments than in invoking the DoSC clause and foreclosing on the property.

But, it can work, provided seller and buyer are both on board and the proper process is followed.


Thanks for the clarification. What happens if the lender does accelerate the loan? I guess the seller would like to address that in the agreement. 


If you dont pay the loan off it goes to foreclosure and the original owner gets their fico CRUSHED.  its highly risky for most mom and pops to sell on sub to.. and its simply not a way for those without substantial wherewithal to buy property and keep the seller safe.. Lots of absolute nightmares come out of sub to when folks get into title but dont have the money to pay the loan off or the ability to refi.
Short term, leaving financing in place during rehab prior to resale — great strategy with limited risk to either party. 

Long term hold, with buyer planning on carrying existing financing to term without the ability to quickly cure default — terrible strategy with huge risk for both parties. 

Exactly Tom all of my sub to over the years have been deals were we got the assets for far below market did rehab and resold generally within 9 to 12 months we never bought them to keep as rentals. Its a very poor situation for the original owner to be on the mortgage for years and years without the benefits of ownership and the control.

Why do you say its bad for the original owner long term? I would think in most situations the original owner is in financial trouble, probably delinquent on their mortgage and facing foreclosure. So, selling sub-to, the mortgage is brought current and timely payments are made by the new owner helping the original owner's credit CONSIDERABLY!

Also, I believe I saw somewhere that the mortgage won't count against the original owners DTI after a period of time if they show someone else is paying the mortgage. So, they could potentially buy another house later on.

I do agree the lack of control is a potential issue.

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People recover over time and they want their name off of the loan.

They have no way to force removal, other than to pay off the loan on a home they no longer own. 

So they contact the lender and tell the lender they no longer own the property and want to be removed. The lender at that point can exercise the Due On Sale and it becomes a problem for the subto buyer, who now has to find new financing or lose the house to foreclosure. This destroys the credit of the original owner who can then sue the subto buyer.

Another issue is if the subto seller claims they were taken advantage of by the subto buyer at a vulnerable time (pre-foreclosure) and an attorney or regulator raises the question of equity skimming. Bank related issues can be prosecuted for 10 years. Serious punishments.

With all of that, Subject To is legal. Just make sure you do it the legal way. Driving a car is legal, as long as you follow the rules. It's the same idea.


FYI I've seen subto contracts which provide for ~$50,000 in liquidated damages against a seller that reports the sale to the lender and that results in the loan being called. How do you think that provision would fly in a deal that goes sideways and ends up in court?

Post: Tax Lien Foreclosure and Supreme Court Case

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@Joey Chalhoub This decision should be read narrowly to address statutory frameworks such as MN where state law permits it to take property to satisfy real estate taxes/penalties/interest, sell it, and keep any surplus outright. That violates the Takings Clause.

MD can be distinguished (in fact MD was mentioned in the decision) in that there IS a process on the books for the foreclosed owner to petition the court for the surplus. Is that process too complicated, yes, but there is nothing in this decision that will prevent a tax sale purchaser in MD from reselling at a profit after obtaining the property by foreclosing the right of redemption.

Post: Looking for Guidance and Help to Get Out of a Baltimore Property

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@Kayla M. We’re well connected with the Baltimore investor community — all neighborhoods. Shoot me a PM or email if you want help unloading this property to another investor. 

Post: Seller trying to keep EMD, financing fell through.

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Ordinarily those tenant vacated damages would be too remote, but it sounds like they were contemplated by both parties at the time of contract.

Were I in this situation I would be looking to state law to determine if the EMD is truly the extent of my potential liability as a buyer. Based upon my research findings I might also start thinking hard about that heater.

Post: Seller won’t return EM

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OP should try less whining about James and more finding a way to close...  such as by including affirmative coverage for forced removal in the loan policy. 

If this encroachment is truly a matter of inches is anything going to come of it? No.