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All Forum Posts by: Tim Greenfield

Tim Greenfield has started 22 posts and replied 81 times.

Post: Using 50% rule on TK properties_barely cash flow

Tim GreenfieldPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Wiesbaden, Hesse
  • Posts 85
  • Votes 32
Originally posted by @Jeremy Godwin:

Brandon one of the creators of bigger pockets has a great video on you-tube its called I how i quickly analyze a deal. he addresses things like 1% rule and why sometimes the 50% does not work. you should check that out.

 Thanks! - I'll check it out. Have a great week!

Post: Using 50% rule on TK properties_barely cash flow

Tim GreenfieldPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Wiesbaden, Hesse
  • Posts 85
  • Votes 32
Originally posted by @James Wachob:

@Tim Greenfield I buy a lot of homes in 38118 and the surrounding area. I would double check the tax estimate, that seems a it low.

This area is called Parkway Village and I have found that the renters really like to have at least 2 full bathrooms. 

What type of renovation was done to this home? New roof, floors (carpet or hard surface) new HVAC?

Let me know if you need some boots on the ground to help you analyse this deal. I'd be happy to drive by any property you are considering and give you my 2 cents.

James

 All new renovation, thanks for the offer. At this point, i think I need to keep analyzing deals over the next few weeks. Have a great week

Post: Using 50% rule on TK properties_barely cash flow

Tim GreenfieldPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Wiesbaden, Hesse
  • Posts 85
  • Votes 32
Originally posted by @Robert Salazar:

Hey, @Tim Greenfield. The issue you're running into is the way you are using the 50% rule and the 1%/2% rule. I'm no expert here, but you aren't likely to get good cashflow so close to (or even below) the 1% mark. Neither of these look like good investment deals to me. 

@Robert Salazar- Thanks for the last update, that puts it in more perspective. I think the bottom line is with TK I am paying a premium on the TK providers effort which brings the prices more in line with MLS but it is difficult for me to say look for BRRR when I am in different timezones and still have my work. Not sure where go but like I said I am just starting with the numbers to get a better focus. Thanks

Post: Using 50% rule on TK properties_barely cash flow

Tim GreenfieldPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Wiesbaden, Hesse
  • Posts 85
  • Votes 32
Originally posted by @Daniel J.:

@Tim Greenfield

It looks like in example 2 you are figuring your vacancy and maintenance twice for the lower cash flow. The 50% rule includes those in its estimate. It is supposed to be an estimate of all your possible general expenses, outside of say flood insurance, HOA etc. Your quick analysis numbers for that 2nd example look correct for a cash flow of $102 assuming you have a solid idea of what your mortgage would be. I learned a ton from a post I made relatively recently that you can find here. https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/432/topics/36...

Everyone was very helpful with their thoughts, but @ben leybovichs comments I found the most helpful.

 Thanks I will check it out tonight

Post: Using 50% rule on TK properties_barely cash flow

Tim GreenfieldPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Wiesbaden, Hesse
  • Posts 85
  • Votes 32
Originally posted by @Jeremy Godwin:

Brandon one of the creators of bigger pockets has a great video on you-tube its called I how i quickly analyze a deal. he addresses things like 1% rule and why sometimes the 50% does not work. you should check that out.

 Thanks I appreciate your feedback

Post: Using 50% rule on TK properties_barely cash flow

Tim GreenfieldPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Wiesbaden, Hesse
  • Posts 85
  • Votes 32

I am a newbie but I have 1 rental property in Albuquerque which only breaks even. I currently live in Arizona and I travel a lot overseas for work so I am looking at TK providers. My primary residence is paid for in full. I just obtained a $92,000 HELOC on it and I have $60,000 cash to invest. I was going to use the HELOC initially to test the waters and keep the cash in reserves. I am still putting everything I save into my cash reserves to keep building it up. Due to my travel I was going to use a turnkey provider and I have been in contact with a few of them. Listening to podcasts I know that a quick rule of thumb to determine whether a deal is good or not is the 50% rule. But whenever a put the numbers that are provided by various TK providers, they never cash flow or are marginal? Further, the examples provided by the TK do provide for taxes but NOT insurance, vacancy, maintenance, PM fee.

Example- Memphis property in zip 38118 C or B neighborhood. 3/2- Complete rehab by a TK with a good reputation from what I understand. Price 87,000. Finance 69,600 finance, 910 rent and estimated 1321 a year taxes.

Monthly Rent: 910 so makes the 1% rule

-50% for expenses (taxes, insurance, vacancy, maintenance, PM fee)

_________________________

NOI: 455

Debt Service expense: 368.12 without taxes/insurance

Cash flow: 86.88

*****************************************************************************

Example 2 different TK provider- Texas Property A or B neighborhood property in zip 75063. 3/3

$154,100 Purchase price

$30,820 down

$123,280 finance

$1495 Rent so less than 1% but close

-50% expense(taxes, insurance, vacancy, maintenance, PM fee,HOA fee)

__________________

$747.50 NOI

$644.58 debt service without taxes/insurance

102.92 cash flow

This TK provider provided a little more information with exception of vacancy and maintenance. If I add in 10% for each I come up with even less cash flow of $33.58.

Am I figuring this correctly? My plan was to buy some properties that are strictly cash flow and the other with less cash flow but a better upside potential for appreciation. These two actually cash flow, some of the others that I looked at dont' even do that.

Any thoughts/advice would be appreciated

Thanks,

Tim

Post: 55+ Communities

Tim GreenfieldPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Wiesbaden, Hesse
  • Posts 85
  • Votes 32

In my experience in researching these 55 plus neighborhoods they often did not appreciate or have the same resale value as comps. But I.am just learning

Post: Multiple VA Loans?

Tim GreenfieldPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Wiesbaden, Hesse
  • Posts 85
  • Votes 32

Interesting, I guess VA loans have changed over the years. I had one loan and it was paid off by a refinance. I was told at that time ( 2005) time frame that it was usually a one shot deal but once in a lifetime I was told I could appeal and get my full benefit back. I did so and have full benefit. The tiers were never explained to me. I need to check into this as an opportunity.

Post: New 50+ member who travels alot

Tim GreenfieldPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Wiesbaden, Hesse
  • Posts 85
  • Votes 32

Greetings! My name is Tim Greenfield and I hail from Sierra Vista Arizona but originally from Maryland. Currently work for the government and travel a lot for work. Lived in Korea for 3 years and loved it. Rotarian for 12+ years and love international projects and helping out in my local community. Currently traveling around Europe so I am not home much. Have 2 SF rentals and have been socking away cash for investments and have HELOC ready. I am interested in Kansas City, Indy, San Antonio, Alabama, maybe Arizona. Originally, thought of purchasing more Cash Flowings SF but I am considering multifamily for next investment. At my age I am only interested in Cash flow and not on appreciation plays. Look forward to meeting great people and creating long lasting relationships.

Post: New 50+ member who travels alot

Tim GreenfieldPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Wiesbaden, Hesse
  • Posts 85
  • Votes 32

Greetings! My name is Tim Greenfield and I hail from Sierra Vista Arizona but originally from Maryland. Currently work for the government and travel a lot for work. Lived in Korea for 3 years and loved it. Rotarian for 12+ years and love international projects and helping out in my local community. Currently traveling around Europe so I am not home much. Have 2 SF rentals and have been socking away cash for investments and have HELOC ready. I am interested in Kansas City, Indy, San Antonio, Alabama, maybe Arizona. Originally, thought of purchasing more Cash Flowings SF but I am considering multifamily for next investment. At my age I am only interested in Cash flow and not on appreciation plays. Look forward to meeting great people and creating long lasting relationships.