Originally posted by @David Kuhlke:
Hello everyone!
I'm new to BiggerPockets and just finished reading Brandon Turner's "The Book on Rental Property Investing". I live in Portland, OR, where the housing market is very high for rental property investing. Turnkey investing seems very enticing, and I am seeking some advice from experienced investors. Is turnkey investing a good way to go for a beginner investor like myself? If so, what are the most reliable turnkey companies with in-house property management?
Thanks!
David
David, Good Afternoon! I was planning on writing an article regarding my experience as I was in your position last year and finally pulled the trigger on 4 houses in 2017. In 2018 I have purchased 1 in Tampa, waiting to close on a new duplex in Houston soon, and looking back at Tampa for maybe another. I got busy again with moving my family so the article thing dropped off my radar but your question sparked my desire to put this together on the fly. Hope it is not too long.
Anyway, I travel a lot and have lived overseas for many years so this was the best route for me. I analyzed to death the past 4 years but only took action (thanks to my coach) last year. So I missed out on some opportunities, IMO. In your position I believe you may have more flexibility than TK but I digress. A few things I would like to mention are:
1. Are you married? if yes, get your spouse on board. If she is not on board, offer to bring her along with you which brings me to #2. Go visit the provider and look at the type of properties they have. No matter who they are or how well they are spoken of. Last year I visited Detroit, Cleveland, San Antonio, Jacksonville, Orlando, and finally Tampa. All of them had varying degrees of what they would consider TK and they also have varying degrees of what they would consider Middle class (B) neighborhoods. 3. Once you find a provider and a location you trust, don't think that there will be a plethora of inventory as there isn't. You are competing with everyone else but be patient and run your numbers and keep in touch with them. Especially by phone. Don't trust the vendor cash flow numbers but your should already know that (trust but verify) Trust your instincts, if everything does not meet "YOUR" criteria let the provider know. Don't keep them hanging if they have it on hold for your. Many providers will hold for 24-48 hours. You HAVE to be quick on your decision making and be respectful of their time. A lot of BP quick math like the 2% or 50% rule will help. Then once you find one, crunch the number more, look at who the neighbors will be and also the proximity to things/activities millennial's want. To hold a house requires a non refundable deposit between $500 to $4,000. 4. Have your pre approval in hand. Many of the providers have lenders they prefer and they may even give you some kind of discount if you use their pre approved lender.
Regarding number 1, my wife was NOT on board as RE does not interest her and it quite frankly scares the hell out of her as it is so foreign to her. All she sees is risk. With that said going on a tour with other Real Estate Investors opened her eyes as she saw other couples and singles from all walks of life confidently asking questions and it allowed her to meet other supportive spouses and business people. She is still scared but it gave her the confidence to support me in our endeavor together. Most TK providers will provide tours. I first reached out to RWN and jumped on 2 tours with them in Detroit and Cleveland but later we just went on our own. The last 2 REI I purchased in Texas were purchased without visiting as my confidence grew. This last one is a new duplex in Houston which should close soon.
Regarding #2, a good investment is YOUR good investment. What I mean by that is some people just look at the numbers and buy. I buy where I think I would be comfortable living. IE older established neighborhoods. Some of the TK providers were buying fill lots and then building new construction. What was the problem? zoning! New rental next to a trailer, next to a **** hole, 2 more nice houses.... You get the drift. I wanted to make sure I had an exit 5-10 years down the road just incase and I don't have confidence in areas without zoning. But that is me, don't get me wrong, they are selling. But my wife and I felt more comfortable in the middle class established neighborhoods.
Regarding #3, I tried for an entire year to purchase in Tampa and Cincinnati with no success. Short inventory and High demand. But I did find 3 properties in Cleveland and I am very happy with the performance.
Well I have rambled enough, feel free to reach out if I can be of service and Good Luck!!
V/r
Tim