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All Forum Posts by: Roger Paschal

Roger Paschal has started 4 posts and replied 42 times.

Post: Crazy Ex Wife on a Subject 2

Roger PaschalPosted
  • Real Estate Consultant
  • Fort Worth, TX
  • Posts 44
  • Votes 38

When working Subject 2 deals it is very important to make sure everyone is on the same page.

In this case the crazy ex wife called the mortgage company and told them that her husband sold the house but agreed to keep the loan in place.

Just do everything you can to stay away from crazy people, when you are interviewing the sellers make sure you talk to both husband and wife.

This can be real hard to fix once the can of worms are open.

Post: Subject to deal - insurance & tax

Roger PaschalPosted
  • Real Estate Consultant
  • Fort Worth, TX
  • Posts 44
  • Votes 38
Quote from @Michael Shaw:

Great info,

When you say POA how does that work? The seller stays on the policy so it doesnt trigger the due on sale clause, but you are just changing insurance and the new policy would have both listed on policy alomg with lender, but if the seller is listed on the policy then if there were damages wouldnt they also be paid or listed on the check from the insurance company?

Yes a POA gives you the buyer control over the real estate or what ever is in the POA, yes, seller stays on Policy as additional insured, does not trigger DOS if done correctly, yes both on check, back to POA to cash check. Much more to this, I go into more detail in my book, also any Sub 2 training should cover this and how to work with the insurance company. Make sure you are educated before jumping into the lake.

Post: Subject to deal - insurance & tax

Roger PaschalPosted
  • Real Estate Consultant
  • Fort Worth, TX
  • Posts 44
  • Votes 38

First of all, if you can try not to do the Balloon, we just do not know what the future holds, interest rates could be over 20%+++ in 5 years. for instance, like after Sub Prime, 911 or Covid, most lenders were not writing new investment loans. We have a lot of crazy people in the World that have power and make really bad decisions that can and will effect us investors from getting loans.

Please make sure you have a clause in the agreement to extend the loan, maybe at a limited rate hike, like 1 or 2 points for another 5 years.

Insurance is the one area that get investors in trouble, you must be sure you understand this process, I coach insurance agents on how they write a policy for a Sub 2 often because this can be very foreign to them. 

This is the short version but there is more to this, first of all you must work with the insurance company to educate them on how to write the policy, what policy they need to write, educate the seller and get a POA. Make sure the mortgage holder stays on the policy as additional insured.

Tax, being you are moving the deed into your name you need to make sure you have control on where the Bank mails the Statements, 1098, escrow statements and so forth, talk to your CPA and they will make sure you are doing your Taxes correct, every CPA I have ever met knows how this works and how to make sure you can deduct the Taxes.

The seller can not take any deduction for a property they do not own, if you close on June 30th, the seller can deduct the first 6 months of the year and you take to deduction on the other 6 months.

Blogs are great to get basic info, and this is wonderful, I suggest you read any books you can find on Sub 2, and find education too. I work with too many people who screw up and take others down with them.

PM me if you have any other questions.

Rog..

Post: Due On Sale Clause About to Become More Common?

Roger PaschalPosted
  • Real Estate Consultant
  • Fort Worth, TX
  • Posts 44
  • Votes 38
Quote from @Jason Bohling:

@David M. unless it is with a portfolio lender which most credit unions and many local banks are. The credit Union my primary home mortgage is through keeps all their mortgages on their books so they would probably be more inclined than others to call it. That being said, what you said makes sense and you have a good point.


 I work with several local Banks all over the Country on Subject to's and out of dozens I only had one who had a problem with wraps, never a Subject to, but let me say this, the investor must be educated and be able to answer questions for the Bank. No Bank, Credit Union or Portfolio lender wants to foreclose on any loan if there is a way not to.

Post: Subject To vs Debt Assumption

Roger PaschalPosted
  • Real Estate Consultant
  • Fort Worth, TX
  • Posts 44
  • Votes 38
Quote from @Eric Grunfeld:

Good Morning Everybody,

In this environment (as I am sure everybody has experienced) - it has been challenging in obtaining permanent financing.

I have come across some deals where the debt is not "Assumable" but the seller maybe open to a "Subject To" loan.

My question is if a "Subject To" loan is done - will the "Due On Sale" clause be executed by the lender (bank)?

And what happens if it is executed? Does the buyer have any liability (risk) if this happens? 

Thoughts?

Thank you. 
 
 


 The risk is very very low if the investor is educated.

Post: Increased Risk of Due on Sale Clause?

Roger PaschalPosted
  • Real Estate Consultant
  • Fort Worth, TX
  • Posts 44
  • Votes 38
Quote from @Shane Lyons:

Just wanted to gauge everyone’s thoughts on whether or not there’s increased likelihood of lenders executing their Due on Sale clause with interest rates increasing so much over the last couple of years, and specifically the risk to those doing Sub-To deals. Seems like banks would be motivated to utilize this to exit their existing low interest loans. Anyone doing a lot of Sub-To deals worried about this? 


Educated Investors are not worried about the DOS Clause.

Post: due on sale increase?

Roger PaschalPosted
  • Real Estate Consultant
  • Fort Worth, TX
  • Posts 44
  • Votes 38
Quote from @Chris Seveney:

@Conrad Cortes

Should banks be doing this? Absolutely but let’s understand how loans work.

Loans are originated by a lender and some of them are packaged up and sold to Fannie and Freddie and they issue mortgage backed securities where these loans are all pooled together.

They are then managed by a servicer who collects the money and also pays the investors who invested in the security

The servicer has hundreds of thousands of loans and they are not checking on if a deed transfer occurs, they are getting paid so they are good and 99% if the time are not even aware the property changed hands.

I respectfully do not agree with now would not be a good time for banks to call loans as now is the best time because properties have equity and they could foreclose and easily get paid off.

 Great info Chris, I have have posted before, to stay off the Banks problem list, the Investor must be educated, not take short cuts and disclose everything to the seller.

Post: Due On Sale Clause About to Become More Common?

Roger PaschalPosted
  • Real Estate Consultant
  • Fort Worth, TX
  • Posts 44
  • Votes 38
Quote from @Steve K.:

We haven't seen that many due on sale clauses being enforced by lenders over the past decade or so. At the same time, we're seeing some gurus selling strategies like subto as if there is no risk of triggering a DOSC. More and more investors are looking to assume low-interest loans rather than deal with reduced cashflow thanks to today's interest rates. It was before my time, but my understanding is that triggering a DOSC was more common in the 80's during a similar rising interest rate environment like we find ourselves in now.  Lenders are probably more likely to enforce their right to call the loan if they feel their security is at risk in the hands of an unvetted buyer, or they believe they can make more money if the buyer applies for a new loan. It seems like it is becoming good business for lenders to start enforcing (they may actually also benefit by getting these 2-3% interest loans off their books). Are we about to see an uptick in due on sale clause enforcement? Curious to hear what some lenders and folks who have been around a minute think about this...

    First of all Steve is correct when he said "lenders are looking for Security, and watching for the unvetted buyer" 

     Also, I am involved in many Subject to's all over the Country. If anyone is concerned about the Due on Sale because of interest rates being higher, look who owns the loan and who the servicer is, I hear often people saying that the Bank will call low interest loans just to get a higher interest, the money from the mortgage is from a hedge fund or a Government back mortgage (gets deeper but just as an example), I would never see any other money provider just targeting Subject to's for the sake of the deed changing names.

    If someone is concerned about the DOS Clause then they need to convert that energy into education. I know a ton of investors how own over a 100 Sub to's and the last thing on their mind is the DOS clause because they know what they are doing and they are making sure every deal is done right.

    I have heard several horror stories over the years, but when it comes down to it, it is because the investor, original mortgage holder (seller) or secondary servicer (on a wrap) screwed up and did not communicate with someone, did not do their insurance correct, did not educate or disclose to the seller or did not make their mortgage payment on time.

    In this business the bests defense is a great offence. There is no shortage of people getting into Sub to's that do not know how or trying to make a buck without knowing the risk.

    If you worked for a servicer (Wells Fargo, Chase etc.) which all they do is collect funds and do not own the loan, and you went to your boss and said I am going to foreclose on these preforming loans because the deed changed names, I would guess you would no longer work for the Servicer any longer, remember the person who invest in the hedge funds is just looking for a long term return on their investment they can care less who is making the payment, just want the payment to be preforming.

    But if the uneducated investor did not do your insurance correct, or did not work with the seller to make sure they are not the one who the Servicer calls with questions or the seller is lead to believe his or her name will be off the loan, or the investor just does not respond to any question the servicer has, all can go bad in a hurry.

    I talk to Servicers often, they are just looking for comfort and communication. 

    I have talked to a few Hedge fund managers who like the concept of the Sub to, makes their product more investment worthy to not have a bunch of non preforming loans to report.

    Post: Real Life Story of an Attorney who screwed up a Subject to deal

    Roger PaschalPosted
    • Real Estate Consultant
    • Fort Worth, TX
    • Posts 44
    • Votes 38
    Quote from @Scott E.:

    I'm very critical of subject to and not a fan of the strategy for many reasons. But this is just a made up story.


     Nope, true story. 

    Post: New STR Investor from DFW,TX looking to network and connect with go givers

    Roger PaschalPosted
    • Real Estate Consultant
    • Fort Worth, TX
    • Posts 44
    • Votes 38
    Quote from @Roger Paschal:
    Quote from @Lauren Lockett:
    Quote from @Justin Vogelgesang:

    Hey @Lauren Lockett I think you'll find a lot of like-minded individuals in this community. You should definitely check out some of the meetups in DFW also! Those are great for networking and learning from some of the experienced real estate professionals. 

    Side note: even newbies here have something valuable to bring to the table, so don't be shy to post or answer questions.


    Hey Justin! I certainly will jump in where I can as a newbie. I jumped into my first meetup last week with IMPACT (I think it's an Arlington REIA I found on Google/Meetup) in Fort Worth last Thursday and it was great! Reading the forums and listening to the podcasts, I've heard that recurring theme to begin by connecting and networking with this community! My goal is to go to an event a week and make 3 new connections. Do you have any suggestions on DFW meetups that you find helpful?

    Re: Investor Meetings in DFW

     Lauren, there is also another IMPACT Meeting coming up in Grapevine next Monday (4th Monday of the month) at Dave and Busters.

    and another meetup IMPACT Plano on the 1st Thursday in Plano, Sept 7th

    and in Denton on the 3rd Monday of the Month 

    you can find more on meetup