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All Forum Posts by: Roger Paschal

Roger Paschal has started 4 posts and replied 42 times.

Post: New STR Investor from DFW,TX looking to network and connect with go givers

Roger PaschalPosted
  • Real Estate Consultant
  • Fort Worth, TX
  • Posts 44
  • Votes 38
Quote from @Lauren Lockett:
Quote from @Justin Vogelgesang:

Hey @Lauren Lockett I think you'll find a lot of like-minded individuals in this community. You should definitely check out some of the meetups in DFW also! Those are great for networking and learning from some of the experienced real estate professionals. 

Side note: even newbies here have something valuable to bring to the table, so don't be shy to post or answer questions.


Hey Justin! I certainly will jump in where I can as a newbie. I jumped into my first meetup last week with IMPACT (I think it's an Arlington REIA I found on Google/Meetup) in Fort Worth last Thursday and it was great! Reading the forums and listening to the podcasts, I've heard that recurring theme to begin by connecting and networking with this community! My goal is to go to an event a week and make 3 new connections. Do you have any suggestions on DFW meetups that you find helpful?

Re: Investor Meetings in DFW

 Lauren, there is also another IMPACT Meeting coming up in Grapevine next Monday (4th Monday of the month) at Dave and Busters.

and another meetup IMPACT Plano on the 1st Thursday in Plano, Sept 7th

and in Denton on the 3rd Monday of the Month 

you can find more on meetup  

Post: Questions on "Subject To" Transfer

Roger PaschalPosted
  • Real Estate Consultant
  • Fort Worth, TX
  • Posts 44
  • Votes 38
Quote from @Account Closed:
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @Richard W Dyas:
Quote from @Chris Seveney:
Quote from @Will Reed:

I have a few questions regarding subject to transfers.  
How likely is the Due on Sale Clause to be triggered? Some things make it seem like that never happens or extremely rare. And if it is triggered  what happens? 

Those i would say are least of your issues, I would be more concerned about what happens if there is a problem down the road with title or if the original borrower files bankruptcy. 

Not having title insurance, while most think its a waste, I can tell you we have had to make over 20 title claims in our past. So they are not as uncommon as people think.

 Good point re. bankruptcy. Subject To agreement would be wiped out by bankruptcy ( not in rem).


are you saying that a BK will unwind the sale of the property ??  I dont think so . It may force the hand of the buyer of the property to pay it off or refi it..

@Jay Hinrichs, you are correct of course.

BK doesn't wipe out the lien against the title. BK just discharges the debt by the borrower if approved by the court. The lien against the property stays and the attorneys for the bank get permission to do a foreclosure on the property or take other action. Ah, life can be so complicated when you do Subject To and are improperly trained. ;-)

And for everyone who is going to get "Wealth Without Cash" there are other, more common complications, but that's for another day. I almost feel sorry for you, but not really. Subject To, improperly taught, is like riding a Unicycle down a steep hill with no brakes. It makes for a heck of a ride but the sudden stop at the end makes you think twice if you should have done it in the first place.



improperly taught, is like riding a Unicycle down a steep hill with no brakes. YES AND SOMETIMES WITHOUT A SEAT ON A BUMPY ROAD.

Post: How do I avoid triggering a due on sale clause with a subject to deal?

Roger PaschalPosted
  • Real Estate Consultant
  • Fort Worth, TX
  • Posts 44
  • Votes 38
Quote from @Bo Tully:
Quote from @Roger Paschal:
Quote from @Quentin Hollis:

I'm currently working on my first real estate deal and will be buying a property subject to the owners existing mortgage. I've done some negotiation with the seller already and we've agreed on the broad terms of the deal. My plan is to buy the house subject to their existing mortgage, renovate the property, refinance it and pay off their remaining loan balance using the money from the cash out refinance. I'm working with a real estate attorney to help me with transferring the deed. My question is how do I avoid triggering the due on sale clause in the mortgage when the seller transfers the deed to my name? I've heard there's a good chance the mortgage company won't care as long as the payments continue to be made on time but I still want to protect myself just in case. Does anyone know how to go about it? 

 Quentin, build your knowledge, make sure all this is done correctly.

Banks rarely call the loan just because of the deed being transferred, something else triggers this, mostly because the investor decides education is not worth the money.

It can be because the Insurance was not done correctly, the seller does not understand the process, the Title Company does not know what to do so they call the Bank and make a mess out of the process and a few other factors,

If the investor is knowledgeable on what to say to the Bank if they call this is a fairly simple conversation to have. If the Investor does not disclose to the seller how this process works and the Bank calls them yes you will have a mess and may be hard to undo. 

A couple of years ago, I worked with an investor who never updated the contact information for the loan and the Bank call the seller (ex-wife), that day she was mad at her ex-husband and told the bank her ex allowed someone to steal their property from them and they got no money, she was kicked out of her house and there were strange people living there.

This could all have been avoided if the investor did this process correct.

Get educated, also I do not know your attorney but not many attorneys have the knowledge to do this process correctly. 

Roger D. Pachal

AUTHOR · CONSULTANT · SPEAKER · COACH · INVESTOR

Subject2Institute.com


Regarding the insurance aspect of a subject to deal, what are the main questions you would ask an attorney to ensure the deal is structured correctly as it relates to the insurance policy? Do you include specific clauses in each of your subject to deals spelling out exactly how insurance on the property will be handled? I appreciate any feedback.


Regarding Insurance, personally I would never have someone else (A Lawyer) handle the insurance on a Sub 2 deal or any other real estate deal for me, you would be setting yourself up for failure.

First of all now you would need to get a POA for the attorney from the seller, that may not be your best move. Why not just invest in a little education instead of paying an attorney to do work you can do in 5 minutes.

Good luck Rog...

Post: Using Subject To, to Get "Free" Properties - A Quick Guideline

Roger PaschalPosted
  • Real Estate Consultant
  • Fort Worth, TX
  • Posts 44
  • Votes 38

If this was an issue for the Federal Government line #503 would not be on the HUD1

Post: REI Beginner - Tyler, TX

Roger PaschalPosted
  • Real Estate Consultant
  • Fort Worth, TX
  • Posts 44
  • Votes 38
Quote from @Alicia Marks:
Quote from @Eduardo Fumo:

Are the meetups still happening? Im in Tyler, TX

REI Impact has a group in that area. @Roger Paschal can you help Eduardo?


 Thank you and did you see that Jeremy & Raquel won the Getaway drawing last night?

Or at least Raquel did, not sure if she will bring Jeremy along .. lol

Rog...

Post: REI Beginner - Tyler, TX

Roger PaschalPosted
  • Real Estate Consultant
  • Fort Worth, TX
  • Posts 44
  • Votes 38
Quote from @Sherrell Davis:
Quote from @Pete Harper:

@Bryan Price Sure thing! Send me your email and I will add you to the invite.


 Hey! I'm in South Tyler myself. Curious to know if you guys still do meetups?


Yes we have been meeting for years. First Tuesday of the Month.
next meeting - free unless you buy food.

Tuesday evening 08/01/2023 at Brisket Love off I-20 and 849, just North of I-20 a couple of miles. 6:30 networking, 7pm the meeting, this next meeting we will be going over sales contracts and how to fill out correctly.

FYI, Brisket Love has great food, not only BBQ, but great hamburgers and salads too. Hope to see you there


Post: REI Beginner - Tyler, TX

Roger PaschalPosted
  • Real Estate Consultant
  • Fort Worth, TX
  • Posts 44
  • Votes 38
Quote from @Eduardo Fumo:

Are the meetups still happening? Im in Tyler, TX


 Yes, Tuesday evening 08/01/2023 at Brisket Love off I-20 and 849, just North of I-20 a couple of miles. 6:30 networking, 7pm the meeting, this next meeting we will be going over sales contracts and how to fill out correctly.

FYI, Brisket Love has great food, not only BBQ, but great hamburgers and salads too. Hope to see you there

Rog...

Post: Questions on "Subject To" Transfer

Roger PaschalPosted
  • Real Estate Consultant
  • Fort Worth, TX
  • Posts 44
  • Votes 38
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @Roger Paschal:
Quote from @Stacie Smith

Equity Assurance, LLC, offers insurance for the due on sale clause.

Thank you Stacie for the plug for Equity Assurance, in over 4 years of offering our services we have never had a foreclosure because of the Due on Sale Clause.

Also with almost 20 years of doing Subject 2 deals myself never have I had a bank follow thru with a foreclosure threat, yes they have called and I am sure they will continue to call in the future, that is their job is to make sure all is correct and the investors job to make sure all their ducks are in a row.

With Equity Assurance, our goal is to make sure the investor is educated and the seller has all the correct information and disclosure on how this process works.

We are now offering some online courses and documents to make sure the Investor is doing this process correctly.

We are also slowly changing our name from Equity Assurance to Subject2Institute.com to eliminate some of the confusion, we are not an official Insurance Policy we offer peace of mind for the seller if the investor needs this to make the sale. 

Our job once again is to make sure the investor and seller are educated and all the correct disclosures are in place.

Roger D. Paschal

CEO Subject2Institute.com / Equity Assurance


I have had two loans called since 1979 when we started doing these. And thats hundreds of transactions.  Commercial loans will have the most risk and those held by a community bank.
the majority of what folks are trying to buy sub too have loans that were sold in the secondary market and are with servicing companies not with banks.. Make the payments keep the tax's current and insurance current and things go just fine..  The real risk to sub too that I have seen is not to the buyers of these.. Its to the seller when people are promoting how to buy sub too and you dont need any money or credit this brings in those that are totally under capitalized  to even own real estate. And they end up in trouble and defaulting on the sellers mortgage and causing the seller all sorts of problems..  For the investor who has money and has the ability to refinance no question or pay the loan off in full with cash.. thats a different story and risk profile for the seller.  But thats not how companies are marketing this stuff you see it on their websites.. NO money  NO credit NO experience how can that possibly go wrong.. :)  Just pay me a few bucks and we will teach you all the techniques ..  Sellers need the same coaching so they dont end up with unqualified dreamers buying their properties and risking their credit and financial situation.

 Jay is correct, this is an industry that many people who think they can make a fast buck, they do not understand the process, some people just do not want to get educated or even read a book or two.

There are the people who want to be successful and are willing to invest the time and money in education, and others who are day labors who may have never read a book in their life.

Any kind of Subject 2 is not a get rich quick scheme, but like Wholesaling Properties that is the first place many people gravitate to, thinking they can get rich overnight without any effort to learn.

I developed our education system to get to the investors who want to learn more or may not have the funds buy a mentoring program, our goal is to get people started on the right track and move into a great mentoring and community program like what Pace and others offer.

Thank you Jay, great post

Post: Questions on "Subject To" Transfer

Roger PaschalPosted
  • Real Estate Consultant
  • Fort Worth, TX
  • Posts 44
  • Votes 38
Quote from @Account Closed:
Quote from @Roger Paschal:
Quote from @Stacie Smith

Equity Assurance, LLC, offers insurance for the due on sale clause.

Thank you Stacie for the plug for Equity Assurance, in over 4 years of offering our services we have never had a foreclosure because of the Due on Sale Clause.

Also with almost 20 years of doing Subject 2 deals myself never have I had a bank follow thru with a foreclosure threat, yes they have called and I am sure they will continue to call in the future, that is their job is to make sure all is correct and the investors job to make sure all their ducks are in a row.

With Equity Assurance, our goal is to make sure the investor is educated and the seller has all the correct information and disclosure on how this process works.

We are now offering some online courses and documents to make sure the Investor is doing this process correctly.

We are also slowly changing our name from Equity Assurance to Subject2Institute.com to eliminate some of the confusion, we are not an official Insurance Policy we offer peace of mind for the seller if the investor needs this to make the sale. 

Our job once again is to make sure the investor and seller are educated and all the correct disclosures are in place.

Roger D. Paschal

CEO Subject2Institute.com / Equity Assurance

Website looks like a training course (with spelling errors on it). They then post in 20 years they have never had a loan called, so if that is the case then why would someone want insurance?

I would question anyone providing insurance that is not licensed to provide insurance...
I've seen various posts where someone is telling other someones that Equity Assurance will pay off the loan if the note is called.

Is that accurate information?

First of all I have been doing Subject 2 Investments for just under 20 years, Equity was developed over 4 years ago.

I have never had a Due on sale clause go into foreclosure on any of my properties, my clients properties or any property we have facilitated with Equity Assurance, just because we are good at our job does not mean the Due on Sale never becomes an issue.

We are very good at first of all making sure the deal is done correctly, disclosures are in place, documents are correct and the investor follows through. 

You ask why would anyone need this if we have never had a property go into Foreclosure? So would you rather work with a company that has a 10% failure rate? 

Example, this Airline hardly ever crashes a plane vs an Airline who has never had a crash?

__________________________________

Many people confuse our name, Equity Assurance with Insurance, we never have or never will provide any kind of Insurance, I have been working Subject 2 deals for almost 20 years and Equity has been in business for more than 4 years, both I and Equity have never had a Subject 2 deal go into Foreclosure because we are good at our job, yes we have had several Banks and Mortgage Companies question the sale and threaten the Due on Sale Clause in the Mortgage.

We are good at solving their issues, making sure the seller has full disclosures (who often are the cause to start with) because the Investor was not clear on how this process works.

This company "Equity Assurance" was developed because myself and other investors were losing deals because the Seller was concerned about the Due on Sale Clause, mostly because they were getting bad advice from their lame friends, a real estate agent or dad.

So when we got together as a group and realized there was a need for this service we started Equity Assurance mostly to get the seller on board and to help investors get deals they normally would never get.

Many of our calls we tell the investor they do not need to pay for a service like Equity because they are already educated in this process and the seller is not questing the deal.

After many people were confusing our service for insurance, we did look into providing a service to buy out Subject 2 loans, we did several test cases but we quickly learned about people and a couple of factors prevented this from happening on a large scale and why no one else offers any kind of Insurance to buy a loan if things go South.

First of all we found out that if investors thought they would be protected, they would not learn the correct process and they would just expect someone else to clean up their mess.

We also found that many investors would take advantage of this and tell the seller "don't worry about this, we have your back and I will make sure this loan is out of your name fast" and they would sabotage the loan one way or another. This happened several times. Not all investors are ethical.

With Equity we have found that many people who do not want to Invest with a one on one mentor and they try to do this business without any or much education, looking for a fast buck.

So we developed our on demand education system with Subject2Institute, just to make sure the more investors had answers to their questions, had a resource for documents, and had a community to reach out to.

I am sorry for any mis-spellings on our website, we will work to get that corrected, this has nothing to do with our product or our services.

All the questions on this thread are great questions and need to be asked.

Roger D. Paschal

Post: Real Life Story of an Attorney who screwed up a Subject to deal

Roger PaschalPosted
  • Real Estate Consultant
  • Fort Worth, TX
  • Posts 44
  • Votes 38

I was on the phone a couple of weeks ago with an investor who took the advise of his attorney who was not educated on Subject 2, 

The investor bought the property a little over 5 years ago, gave the seller $25,000 for their equity and took over the payments on the mortgage and the investor moved into the house as their own.

His Attorney never filed the deed, (5+ years ago) because the Attorney was concerned about the Due on sale clause, the seller knew this from day one and was also concerned about the Due on Sale Clause.

When the seller recently saw his name was still on the deed he jumped into action and sold the property because it was still in his name.

The Investor lost all their equity over $500,000 and is having to move. 

I bet the Attorney is real sorry this happened

Roger D. Paschal

AUTHOR · CONSULTANT · SPEAKER · COACH · INVESTOR