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All Forum Posts by: Robert Ombres

Robert Ombres has started 10 posts and replied 125 times.

Post: Asheville area familiarity driving tour

Robert Ombres
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  • Real Estate Broker
  • Asheville, NC
  • Posts 138
  • Votes 63

Check out RomanticAsheville.com to learn more about the area. 

Post: Inviting Investors to Western North Carolina!

Robert Ombres
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  • Real Estate Broker
  • Asheville, NC
  • Posts 138
  • Votes 63

@Andrew Fonden good to know. Most eyes focus on Asheville area when people talk about WNC. What is Western Carolina's growth looking like and are they forecasting continued growth or stability in the coming years? Any idea? What is the sales market like in Sylva for multifamily buildings? Should we be talking about buying a MF, building a MF, or buying SFR and renting out to students?

Can you rent to more than 4 unrelated adults per house in Sylva?

Let's connect and chat more.

Post: Inviting Investors to Western North Carolina!

Robert Ombres
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  • Real Estate Broker
  • Asheville, NC
  • Posts 138
  • Votes 63

Great to see you reaching out to bring investors to the area. How is the student rental market that way? 

Post: Green investor - Western North Carolina

Robert Ombres
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  • Real Estate Broker
  • Asheville, NC
  • Posts 138
  • Votes 63

@Seth Eaton yes that is correct. The permit is called a Homestay Permit.

Post: Hello from Asheville

Robert Ombres
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  • Real Estate Broker
  • Asheville, NC
  • Posts 138
  • Votes 63

@Jon Arsenault great point about the homes that need "more" work and a lenders willingness to loan on them. Being able/willing to do some needed repairs is a great way to find a "wedge" deal- a deal that has hidden equity and other buyers shy away from. As Jon mentions though- most "traditional" types of loan products won't allow for some of these deals because the home isn't considered "livable."

Post: Hello from Asheville

Robert Ombres
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  • Real Estate Broker
  • Asheville, NC
  • Posts 138
  • Votes 63

There are over 3000 Realtors between the Hendersonville and Asheville Boards of Realtors. This isn't counting the non-Realtor licensed real estate agents. It's important to work with someone who can help you reach your goals- and perhaps more importantly, someone who understands them.

Many real estate agents don't own their own home, let alone investment properties. They have no clue. Say BRRR to them and they'll agree that it's getting a bit chilly.

"Properties" don't allow for cash flow. The math of the deal does.

If you want BRRR to be your strategy, look at the math and figure out how to make that work for you.

You mention that you're pre-approved for $155k. How are you going to pay for the renovation part of BRRR? Based on your statement about the 3% downpayment, I'm left assuming you don't have the money for that currently.

Have you looked at loan products that cover renovation costs?

Have you researched any other loan products that may help you reach your goals? Has the real estate agent that has been helpful been able to work through some of these questions with you? Have they introduced you to a lender who may have different loan products that can help you reach your goals? Or at least, discuss them so that you can make an informed decision?

At time of me posting this, according to Google Maps, Mars Hill is a 21 minute drive to Asheville. Fletcher is also a 21 minute drive to Asheville. There's been lots of growth and planned growth in the areas I mentioned in my previous post. I suspect we'll see even more as Asheville continues to burst at the seams. I firmly believe people can only consistently time the market in one way. That's not waiting for a "crash". It's buying before the "boom".

I do believe there are still deals to find in Asheville. Some challenges you're working against are:

  • -a budget of $155k and low or no money for renovations
  • -Institutional investors with deep pockets
  • -an inflated market with lots of demand

There are (at time of this posting) 9 Coming Soon or Active single family homes in Asheville under $155k. 3 of them are mobile homes. There are some FSBOs and likely "off market" deals if you find them.

What would I recommend to someone in your situation- if I'm understanding your goals correctly?

Buy a home in your budget that needs a facelift. Something that is scaring most buyers off. Needs new paint, updates, curb appeal, new flooring, new appliances. Live there for 1-2 years while you do these things yourself as you have time and money available. Repeat. *I don't believe you'll find this in west asheville.

A problem with BRRRing for many people is the debt to income ratio. You can get a renter in your place and you buy a new primary residence, but for most loans (aside from only a VA loan to my knowledge) you have to wait 2 years to start counting the rental income towards your debt to income ratio. BRRRing tends to be done with a cash purchase and a refi after repairs. The model isn't necessarily for primary residences or cash strapped investors (though it can work and there are plenty of success stories that prove it).

This takes us to your question about doing a cash out refi and what you may qualify for. I'm not a lender. I would absolutely refer to my lender partner instead of answer this if a client asked. However, I believe the answer is something close to- 1) You'd have to leave 20% equity in the home. 2) You need to qualify for the new loan- whatever amount that may be. The qualification is going to consider your credit score, work history, verifiable income, debt to income ratio, and loan type.


You're on the right track. You're asking good questions. You've taken more action than I assume the majority on Bigger Pockets has- you've gotten pre-approved. Now keep an eye out for that property that fits your needs and helps you reach your goals. Keep looking in West Asheville- and also elsewhere.

Post: Hello from Asheville

Robert Ombres
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  • Real Estate Broker
  • Asheville, NC
  • Posts 138
  • Votes 63

@Kat McReynolds perhaps look outside of Asheville. Several towns around that still have plenty of deals under $200k.

Are you working with an agent that understands what you need in a property to meet your goals?

Brevard, Mills River, Fletcher, Hendersonville, Black Mountain, etc..

Post: Looking for Something in Asheville or Hendersonville N.C.

Robert Ombres
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  • Real Estate Broker
  • Asheville, NC
  • Posts 138
  • Votes 63

Happy to help with your search if you need an agent. Let's connect. 

Post: Sud-dividing in Asheville

Robert Ombres
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  • Real Estate Broker
  • Asheville, NC
  • Posts 138
  • Votes 63

Hi @Hugh Lipham. I have- and thank you!

Is it important to you that your CPA is in Asheville? I have one that I've started using and referring to. They're not local, however are very familiar with our state tax code and offer more services than just "filing your taxes" or "managing your books."

Shoot me a message and I'll connect you.

Post: Any WNC's Headed to the Conference?

Robert Ombres
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  • Real Estate Broker
  • Asheville, NC
  • Posts 138
  • Votes 63

Hope you have a great experience there!

For me, I couldn't justify the cost. I felt like either the value isn't there or they didn't market the value well enough.

When you look at the daily agenda breakdown- it reads like a bunch of in-person blog posts/vlog posts/podcasts. It would be great if they're structured more like classes- some of the descriptions read like they could be. You know, less theory and more actionable breakdowns- we've all read the books, blogs, and listened to the podcasts.

I've found that the most valuable aspect of these conferences is the opportunity to network with others. So definitely make the most out of being surrounded by thousands? of people interested in real estate investing.

With that said, this was the only conference I had interest in attending. It (seems) much less likely to be full of upsells, mindset fluffing, and repetitive material found all over the web for free (I hope it doesn't turn out to be this). If the feedback is great on this one, I will look forward to attend one in the future.

Please do let us know how it is!