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All Forum Posts by: Owen Hogarth

Owen Hogarth has started 16 posts and replied 67 times.

Post: Here we go

Owen HogarthPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • fort lauderdale, FL
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Originally posted by jawsette:
You may choose to use what is openly available, if you choose to, this is fine. But when a lie is told over and over and over again until it is believed to be the truth does not change the fact that it is still based upon a lie. I for one will not continue to dig that hole or grasp at the straws that the lie affords one to believe.



You didn't even answer the question do you believe in evolution?

Post: Here we go

Owen HogarthPosted
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  • fort lauderdale, FL
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Originally posted by jawsette:
Originally posted by Owen Hogarth:
Originally posted by jawsette:


Actually we do not KNOW that civilization began upon the african continent. This has only been purported recently since the revisionist era where things are being said without any real evidence of such, such as the earliest writings which there is from the "fertile crescent" between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers which is the acknowledged "cradle of civilization".



Ok let's see here's a quote from the gale research library
Originally posted by gale:

Evidence of early humans living on the coast in South Africa, harvesting food from the sea, employing complex bladelet tools and using red pigments in symbolic behavior 164,000 years ago, far earlier than previously documented, is being reported in the Oct. 18 issue of the journal Nature. The international team of researchers reporting the findings include Curtis Marean, a paleoanthropologist with the Institute of Human Origins at Arizona State University and three graduate students in the School of Human Evolution and Social Change.

Source Citation:"Researchers Find Earliest Evidence For Modern Human Behavior In South Africa." Space Daily (Oct 23, 2007): NA. General OneFile. Gale. City College of San Francisco. 3 Sept. 2009
.


citation included so you can actually do some research now unless you have some evidence to from a reputable source that says otherwise then we can agree that the scientist are correct.

doing a little research never hurt and again if you can provide some evidence to the contrary but the evidence shows that life started in africa.


The evidence according to evolutionists by their criteria which was started by Darwin who on his deathbed admitted that he made up the theories and manufactured the evidence to back his theroies.
Still not based upon hard facts.

Lets not argue down a rabbit hole or grasp at straws lets use the knowledge that openly available. Darwin might have repented on the deathbed who knows, that's not the point, lets stay on point.

Do you believe in evolution? who left those bones in south africa?

Post: Here we go

Owen HogarthPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • fort lauderdale, FL
  • Posts 82
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Originally posted by jawsette:
As far as eugenics is concerned in its original meaning: "of improving the qualities of the human species or a human population by such means as discouraging reproduction", this should be left up to the woman since it involves reproduction which is her choice to go through this or not by accepting the male into her to begin with. He should also have some say in the matter IF he stays with her and goes through it with her but in the end it is her choice to go through it or not.

As far as any other type of gene manipulation it the choice of the one accepting the attempted gene modification which could then be passed on by the reproduction process if it works.

It should be up to the individual or couple in all cases and not any government.


see we agree on this, its the womans choice but if a lady was carrying my child i would hope that i choose right in the fact that i don't want any of my children to not be born or donated to science but some people don't mind that as i don't mind people who serve in the marines, that's not my line of work although i did serve 4 years in the navy and i'm a proud veteran now.

Post: Here we go

Owen HogarthPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • fort lauderdale, FL
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Originally posted by jawsette:


Actually we do not KNOW that civilization began upon the african continent. This has only been purported recently since the revisionist era where things are being said without any real evidence of such, such as the earliest writings which there is from the "fertile crescent" between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers which is the acknowledged "cradle of civilization".



Ok let's see here's a quote from the gale research library
Originally posted by gale:

Evidence of early humans living on the coast in South Africa, harvesting food from the sea, employing complex bladelet tools and using red pigments in symbolic behavior 164,000 years ago, far earlier than previously documented, is being reported in the Oct. 18 issue of the journal Nature. The international team of researchers reporting the findings include Curtis Marean, a paleoanthropologist with the Institute of Human Origins at Arizona State University and three graduate students in the School of Human Evolution and Social Change.

Source Citation:"Researchers Find Earliest Evidence For Modern Human Behavior In South Africa." Space Daily (Oct 23, 2007): NA. General OneFile. Gale. City College of San Francisco. 3 Sept. 2009
.

citation included so you can actually do some research now unless you have some evidence to from a reputable source that says otherwise then we can agree that the scientist are correct.

doing a little research never hurt and again if you can provide some evidence to the contrary but the evidence shows that life started in africa.

Post: Here we go

Owen HogarthPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • fort lauderdale, FL
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jawsette

I have to disagree with you where you say slavery can have good applications, that's just as wrong as wrong can get.

Give me one example where enslaving another group of people was ever used for good? or let me put on some new lens what your trying to say is that while slavery is bad some people benefit from it so that makes it?
I would like for you to clear that up for me, please.

As far as eugenics is concerned do you Who do you think should have control the state/ government/ whatever you want to call it or the woman?

if you would please give me an answer to this question, the ruling body or the woman who has the right to decide what to do with her body?

Post: Here we go

Owen HogarthPosted
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Originally posted by jawsette:


Actually slavery began long before tribes in africa so this was not the beginning of slavery or the slave trade. This began by the conquests of one group of people over another and the thought process that "I saved your life (by not killing you) so you owe your life to me". This happened in the Babalonian times where civilization began before africa was populated by the migration there. And if you look closely enough at it, it is really more like the Hatfield and Mccoy situation as those beginning tribes were related!


that can be disputed since we now know that civilization started on the african continent and expanded out but lets leave that alone and say that slavery started someplace else. That wasn't what I was referring to; if your going to make an argument please keep it n context. I think you should reread the exchange and look at everything that was said in context.

Post: Here we go

Owen HogarthPosted
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Originally posted by jawsette:

Life happens, life is unfair, life can be soo good. It is up to YOU.


there are two aguments in this statement that we have to seperate. first issues do come up in life, accidents and sickness and things like that, those are acceptable to things that just happen.

now about slavery the warring tribes in african fueled the slave trade in the beginning but can you agree that both sides were wrong was there no voice of reason strong enough to say hey, these warring tribes attack and kill each other but how about we stop this instead of the course history took?

Looking at your post again you also said life happens but its also up to you, please explain this to me, if life can be sooo good but then life can also happen but then its also up to YOU! what order do you place these items, from the little statistics that i did take t would seem as if life happening and its up to you would be mutually exclusive meaning you can't have both. now we can have a bad situation and have a negative or a positive outlook towards what happened then you should probably say, "llfe happens but it's up to you to decide how to deal with it" i think that would be more appropriate.

those weren't accidental things they were plotted out by people who wanted to profit at the expense of other people.

so lets try not to get our arguments confused accidents happen that's true but people made a choice to enslave the africans and again this isn't a blame the white man thing, the africans who were sold were sold with the help of other africans so they are both wrong but i think we can agree that both sides share some responsibility. The question that i ask myself and other people who i have this discussion with is why was nothing said about the issue?

Post: Here we go

Owen HogarthPosted
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eugenicists is a tough one for me some people say we all deserve a chance at life ok some say its a womans choice, i lean more that way but after looking at the eugenicists moment its so confusing because minorities have abortions at a rate that out number people who are in a better socioeconomic class so looking at it that way it would seem to get rid of minority kids in greater proportion.

It's a tough one and one that i cannot call so my default position is to leave it up to the mother but this also leads into a gray area, what if the mother is a minor what do the parents say and what if the child is being abused by the adults in their lifes.

issues like this show that legislation can't be the cure all for all of our problems and law is sometimes too crude of a instrument where better moral character could reduce these problems, again i think education is the key, no society can be perfect and that's something everyone in that society have to live with.

Post: Here we go

Owen HogarthPosted
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That's all that i'm trying to show, its not about the labels that we put on each other to close off a discussion without thinking logically about a situation and solve problem.

My own opinion on why africans sold each other is no different than the reasons the romans had the coliseum and slaughtered christians and others in their bloody shows that drew people to watch, why do we have football teams based on states, why do we have spelling bee, why do golfers play, basketball players, hockey, gunners shoot? why do we have any competition at all? because that's just human nature, is it good or bad i don't know but that's the way it is. I am not talking about giving aid to graduates from other countries who come here, i am talking about the poor whites and blacks in america who still well below the poverty line.

i've traveled from south florida to new york to west virginia to texas to seattle and all throughout america. What i see wherever i go are people trying to better their lives and most people are scared to give up what they know even if its not in their self interest.

I want people to get educated I don't care about the words liberal or conservative, socialist, communist or whatever else people want to throw around because those words mean nothing unless they are placed in some context which is often not the case when they are used in america.

I hope you see that im here just share my opinions with people i don't expect to change anyone's mind but i think having a civil conversation about the issue's can be more productive.

the other day I was listening to the news on t.v. and i heard someone say that when he was on food stamps you didn't see him with his hand out! now a statement like that just illustrate the ignorance of some people in this country, now this person was on national t.v. that's watched by millions of people... if food stamps aren't government handouts then tell me what in this world is?

Post: Didn't quite know where to put this +here comes the blood+

Owen HogarthPosted
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Jeff your correct but like you said we only need a few properties to be ok.

The thing is news like this can be used as a negotiating tool with potential sellers, most people will read this article and not delve as deeply into it as you did.

I mean think about it warren buffet doesn't buy when the market is hot he buys when blood's in the streets or so everyone is told to believe.

A board like this were we can trade information about asset classes that are strong and will remain strong can be a great wealth builder and i'm in this game to win.

Also you make the point that if something meets your criteria and you didn't bend over backwards to make it fit will still be a deal.

I think there are very good information on this board about how to get a properties true value and work off those numbers so i doubt anyone on this board should get burned if they ask questions and don't go against their better judgement.