All Forum Posts by: Owen Hogarth

I was wondering is anyone on this board actually living overseas right now?

I will be leaving the country for a while to go follow some passions of mine in asia, I honestly don't know when i'll be back but I still want to invest here.

This deal is coming off of a direct mailing campaign that i started.

it's 4 units in a two story brick building.
It was being used for housing for the mentally disabled but the owner wants to retire, he recently renovated the place but it could still use some exterior work. there's central heating no cooling, the windows need a little work.

He's selling for what he owes 100,000.

looking at the area the rents are about 500 dollars per month.

using the 50% rule for expenses this property cash flows at 100 per door.

what do you guys think and is deal?

Now I don't believe that you can separate the moral issues from the economic issue.

for example i talked about red lining above; those laws were put in place by people who felt they were doing the right thing for the country so their moral judgement didn't stop the discrimination.

now we have the same kind of discrimination against another group of people but unlike in the past you can't easily tell who fits in what group. so now that the discrimination affects a more diverse group of people we now hear about it more often.

we have some conservatives in this country who would make it illegal for gay activities while these same men participate privately in the activities that they are against in the public.

You said man is naturally evil; that is one theory by one set of behavioral psychologist, there are others who say we are a blank slate and we act out what we take in. I don't care to debate things like this because they are too vague to ever substantiated. what we can look at though are the laws that are in place and were put in place.

Let's look at the red lining example again, there we many more laws on the books similar to these in a time not too long ago, say 80 years. How were minorities to build wealth if the laws were unfairly holding them back, now you may have nothing to do with this, and i often hear people say well i didn't hold any slaves which is true but look at it this way. how do you compete in a race when some people are running with weights tied to their feet and others are unfettered.

it took people losing their life and many years for the desegregation of the south and some people would proclaim that america was better before desegregation. We have doctors today being killed for offering a service to women, we have gay people being discriminated against. why can't those people get a fair shot? Not that i agree with abortion and the gay lifestyle but if they are american citizens who do not break the law why should they live in fear?

if a doctor starts a clinic to give abortions whether you think its right or wrong shouldn't matter, if its legal under the law, the lady seeks his services and pays for it, then why should the doctor not be able to provide a service and make something for him and his family? The same can be said for gay people if they have their industries that support their lifestyle why should someone else decide they don't like it and ruin peoples lives.

I am more concerned about the guys on wall street robbing america or the companies dumping heavy metals in our rivers, or the boss exploiting there workers, or a gunman mugging someone in the streets rather than people who choose to live their lives in a why that's unorthodox.

I honestly like the old american idea where we don't intervene in other countries civil wars etc. we have two huge oceans to keep away terror from our shores, that worked for quite sometime and when that sovereignty was broken on 9/11 we should have went for the true terrorist. Iraq was not the home of the terrorist, they were from afghanistan not iraq. in iraq there was a mad man and oil, in iraq there's poppy and terrorist who did we attack and why? never the less america gets props for all the good the country has done for the world.

My issue with americans sometimes can be the feeling of entitlement, i'm an red blooded american so *fill in the blank*
americans sitting on their laurels isn't going to keep us great. Other economies around the world are getting stronger, the days of america holding most of the power in the world are coming to an end, not necessarily because america is falling off but because other countries are pulling themselves up by the bootstraps.

a few pages ago you said most asians are coming here with BA degrees and that's true, they come learn something and take that knowledge back home to asia, they don't stay and invest it in america anymore which i think is not good for this country.

Immigrants are often blamed for problems the country is facing but immigrants are no real threat to this country, in fact they made this country great, almost everyone who posted in this thread have ancestors who came here to make their lives better.

understanding the wrongs about our past allows us to get past it, like people who go through rehab have to talk about their issues, a dialogue isn't a bad thing.

I heard a quote from some european politician that said democracy is the worst until you compare it to all the other options.

Dennis

I am a Jamaican american my mom came here in the mid 80's and i came here in the early 90's so its a little different with my family history and slavery although i have done research and found out that my great grand father was a european white guy which is something fascinates me.

I have an understanding of the history america's, I've constantly stressed that i'm not here to see reparation or hand outs I think that makes people lazy but what i've tried to say is that we all would like a fair shot.

i know america is great because of the little man and not the government run systems but some people need help, i think investing is people is better than investing so heavily in weapons per se.

Often time these people take jobs that no one in america wants to take, they do the most remedial jobs and love it because it gives them some money to support themselves and their families. My mom worked as a nursing assistant for quite a while and raised 8 kids, i left home early to go get mine and take some financial stress off her, i know she's proud of what i've accomplished, i have siblings who didn't do much with their lives; i can't say why honestly.

I have noticed though in the last 3 years that more and more american trained college graduates are leaving the country to find better opportunities elsewhere, to me that's what scary; when the educated leave our country, that's the opposite of what makes this country great.

Im young and i don't have a family but i give a lot of my time, i volunteer, i teach english to immigrants and poor and these people work really hard to get somewhere in this country.

I do real estate to pay for my mom's house, although i don't live with her, she needs help. Soon I will be leaving the country to expand and teach english overseas, i do real estate to help fund that for me. That's what I do with my time when i'm not doing real estate.

Thats why i said science and faith can and should coexist, if you take a step back and look at both scientists and believers in faith what it comes down to is their strive to make the world a better place. Science tries to do this through the creation of drugs, experimentation and theories but all of those start in some person's head.

similarly with religious believers they want to make the world a better place through compassion and caring for your fellow human. They give time, services, and hope.

different approaches but both cause in my eyes are noble and deserve some credit for where we are in the world today.
throughout history we see where faith lead people to do great things, mother theresa, ghandi, martin luther equally we've seen science do great things such as the curing so many diseases and generally keeping people alive longer and in better health.

on the other side we've seen people use the guise of faith to lead people to do crazy things . . . no names need to be named but i'm sure we all know at least one and we've seen the scientific method used to create weapons that can destroy the world many times over, create new diseases right.

so we can say well religion is better than science and visa versa but what does that mean, under what context, how can we quantify "better"?

So this is just acknowledgement that there's more to the issue than is often debated and if we have extremist on either side not letting go or willing to examine what they are holding on to then nothing gets done.

Remember in early astronomy galileo and his peers were often religious but still did scientific research. Not until they discovered that the earth rotated around the sun and not visa versa was there a problem. We now know that the church was wrong and science was right but that's not the point, the point was that men who believed in god also believe in the scientific method. they can coexist and they should coexist.

Tim I can honestly appreciate your answer its straight forward to the point and explains your views clearly.

why can't jawsette answer the question constantly dodging the question throwing up false arguments the change the subject its like trying to debate a child talking in a circle. If he would just answer the questions then we can debate the ideas.

the question was did you believe in evolution and he jumped over to, "my beliefs are not in question . . ." I honestly feel like "debating" with him is a waste of time its like trying to grab hold of a fish covered in oil, why even bother if we can't continue down a train of thought.

We weren't arguing where or when slavery started it was more about exposing jawsette views on the issues. It's clear from the answer that was provided that it was ok with him because we now live in america and so many people prosper but in my opinion it shows a lack of morality to say because we now have america it was ok to exploit people in such ways.

When you say slavery to our jobs and our things that's true but its by our own choosing that we decide to get up and go to work each day. you can choose not to, although the consequences might not be worth it, thats each individuals right and no one forces you to work.

The slavery we were debating was a much harsher treatment of human beings, to the point where they were less than human, if you didn't work, you would get branded, whipped, scarred, your family would be injured to make you work. there was no free will in that, the slaves got nothing for it.