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All Forum Posts by: Noel R.

Noel R. has started 30 posts and replied 145 times.

Post: Success on 1st R.E investment, tips on doing it better the next?

Noel R.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Petaluma, CA
  • Posts 151
  • Votes 143

Curious how you are finding your deals? 

Post: Thank you Bigger Pockets! From 0 to 15 Doors in a Year!

Noel R.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Petaluma, CA
  • Posts 151
  • Votes 143
Originally posted by @Anthony White:
Originally posted by @Caleb Heimsoth:

@Account Closed he hasn’t mentioned what area of Memphis it’s in but generally those levels of rent in Memphis are C minus at best.      For the multifamily it’s likely a lower class at 400-500 a unit which can be very challenging managing from afar

I had a property manager in Memphis who manages 4000 units tell me to avoid section 8 and rents of that level.  I figured it was a good person to listen to, but everyone is different 

 The Majority of my properties are in the University Area, blocks within the University of Memphis. The 8 unit property in in a rougher neighborhood and it is the most work, however it brings the biggest return. 

Would you be kind enough to share the #'s on the 8-plex? I just looked at one with 3% rule. With insanely conservative numbers it does quite well on paper. PM will play a huge role. 

Have you personally visited this property?

Post: I’m new. I want to BRRRR. I have $20,000

Noel R.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Petaluma, CA
  • Posts 151
  • Votes 143

Take a look at @Jay Hinrichs forum post on BRRRR. Search BRRRR building the right team.

Post: Thank you Bigger Pockets! From 0 to 15 Doors in a Year!

Noel R.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Petaluma, CA
  • Posts 151
  • Votes 143

Congrats!!! Sounds like appreciation made this possible for you which is awesome. Where are you finding the rentals? MLS, wholesaler etc? Did they require rehab?

The fact your rents are so low screams D class neighborhood which scares me. Clearly someone has to live there and someone will own the rentals but not the class of tenant I see myself targeting. 

Post: Long Distance BRRRR Advice

Noel R.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Petaluma, CA
  • Posts 151
  • Votes 143

@Robert Gati How is the team building and house hunting going? I am 200 pages into the book now and still devising my plan. Indy is my market of choice though it is heating up and I might be late to the party.

Post: Building the Right Team For the BRRRR Method

Noel R.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Petaluma, CA
  • Posts 151
  • Votes 143

Do I need a HML if I can fund this myself? Thinking I may be able to buy and fund rehab with cash, then refi. Does the HML make the refi easier? Better to find HML to handle rehab as OOS investor?

Ready to take action and get this ball rolling.

I am planning to take a trip to target market, Indy and get connected. Sounds like lenders and rehab/turn key should be my focus. Clearly also look to connect with PM, Agent/Broker and contractor.

Thoughts on getting in the game with 50-70K and willingness to leave 10-20k in the deal? Figure I will need an ARV of 70-80K and rents greater than $750 a month to make this work.

Post: Building the Right Team For the BRRRR Method

Noel R.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Petaluma, CA
  • Posts 151
  • Votes 143
Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:

After being on BP coming on my 3rd year now.. one of the frequent repeat questions is from those wanting to get started in cash flow rentals but have limited cash but great W 2 and Credit.

Let me take you back to pre 08.

The turnkey or investor market went mainly like this.

Investor desire to own cash flow rentals and had as stated above great qualifications but was limited to one at a time based on their down payment...

We solved this problem with the BRRR method Yes we were doing BRRR in 2001 and routinely until 08 when credit markets froze.

The key was building a team.. and those teams were built for you by most of the Turn key marketing companies and those flippers in the cash flow markets.

The key component was the short term lender ( us ) who put the investor ( you ) into title for 6 months so that you could then do your refi and have little to no money into your cash flow rental.. In those days 100 a month was an acceptable positive cash flow number that number has moved up some to 150 to 200...

So fast forward to today and how do we do BRRR which as some think is a new concept but not really is quite an old concept.

Well you pay cash then refi and pull all your cash out.

To do this in todays market one needs to build their team.

Find your short term lender usually HML who will team with a flipper or turnkey company.. now not every lender will do this .. ( I know I specialized in it and I was the driver creating the teams. ) but it can be done.

Your other team member is a great refi conventional lender who specializes in these assets.. there are many on BP that can help there.. the key is you get pre qualified..  Once you have your take out all qualified its easer for your short term lender to finance the deal.

In the good ole days I only required a few thousand down.. but these are not the good ole days so you probably need 10 to 20k to make this work got to have some cash into the deal.

You then hook up with your trusted Turnkey provider or REhabber of choice.. and you buy the asset pre development.

There by getting a good buy.. the turnkey provider will put his profit in up front on the wholesale buy just like any wholesaler .. then because this turn key or rehabber has an established relationship with someone like me.. a trusted HML we as the HML then do the rehab draws and make sure rehab is done to spec's and once its done then your refi lender sends in the appraiser for the 442 and your refi goes through.. remember your in title .. so this is a refi..

this is how we did about 2000 of these from 01 to 08.. Now in those days our clients usually did a 75 % refi and usually got 2 to 5k back in refi proceeds and we usually did 4 at once... So 8 to 20k back at closing ( which should be used for reserves and not go out and buy a jet ski or a car  LOL)  and 100 a month to now a days 800 a month positive cash flow and in that scenario no cash in it actually cash out.. now today you will probably have to leave some money in 5 to 10k per prop.. but in many cases you should get all your money back.

The key will be forming the team and finding the players in the fields to do this...

Good luck with it .. it works very well for all you 740 fico's and 20 to 40k in the bank and a burning desire to own cash flow. Do this 4 times .. the move to your 10 loans then move to your portfolio lenders and in 3 to 5 years you have a nice portfolio making you 2 to 5k a month positive cash flow with very little cash out of pocket.

Now last comment me personally any positive cash flow in this particular method since you have little to no money invested I would use to accelerate  pay down of mortgage..with the goal to own these in 10 to 15 years free and clear that's when you get truly wealthy in real estate paid for cash flow assets. 

Revisting this thread after crunching some numbers last night and finally wrapping my head around the power of BRRRR. Thank you for sharing this @Jay Hinrichs  To be honest I wanted to pick your brain a bit more and would love to make a donation to your charity in order to do so. Is that still an option?

Post: hello from Sonoma county California

Noel R.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Petaluma, CA
  • Posts 151
  • Votes 143

Welcome, there is a meet up in Petaluma where you may be able to meet some helpful people. Best of luck in your real estate adventures.

Post: Investing in Indianapolis! Best Neighborhoods?

Noel R.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Petaluma, CA
  • Posts 151
  • Votes 143

Love to hear any and all opinions/updates on this topic.

Post: Duplex Help in Ogden UTah

Noel R.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Petaluma, CA
  • Posts 151
  • Votes 143

@Craig J Chelette Did you go forward with this deal? If so would you care to share any updates?