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All Forum Posts by: Nick Louie

Nick Louie has started 10 posts and replied 56 times.

Post: First Property Advice Needed

Nick LouiePosted
  • Attorney
  • Weehawken, NJ
  • Posts 56
  • Votes 35
Originally posted by @A.S. Minor:

I am on the path to purchasing my first home. Ultimately, I plan on "house jumping," for lack of a better term. I would like to buy my first home, and after a few years of living there, buy my second home, move into that one, and rent out the first. Then we rinse and repeat. I was looking for advice on whether this plan is advantageous in the long-term, or whether I should adjust it based on the factors below. The adjustment that I am considering is whether I should try for a duplex/triplex for the first home. This was my initial thought process, but (A) I was having difficulty finding them for sale in my area (Volusia County, Florida), and (B) the below information:

My girlfriend is a dog trainer, and her business goals involve board-and-trains, meaning we'd need enough space to house at least a few dogs for a few weeks. That's not the focal point of my investment, but it is a factor that must be taken into consideration. So we have to consider space, of course, as well as any zoning restrictions (she's been focusing on that aspect). But if we were to get a duplex, we would also have to factor in information regarding tenants (allergies, small children, etc). Now, when I do begin this journey, I've kept in mind that this first property is not our long-term home. Our second property is likely to be longer term. Ideally, I would like to continue this jumping until we've accumulated enough properties to pay for our final home, but depending on the circumstances I'm flexible when it comes to which one will actually be the one. 

Obviously there are more factors to consider when combining the idea of a multi family unit with this business plan that she has. So that's my ultimate question: Whether this plan seems feasible with a duplex/triplex, or whether I should just stick to single family homes. We're not looking to have an entire complex of dogs in this first property, but at least 3 or 4 for a few weeks at a time. What are your thoughts on being able to combine her goals with my own?

Hi A.S. Minor, 

I think house-hacking is the way to go. If you buy a single-family, the house isn't an asset, it's a liability (that's Rich Dad, Poor Dad 101). However, if you plan on buying a single-family and running a dog training facility out of it, then if that business eventually covers the mortgage and you can cash flow from it, you've effectively changed the single-family into an asset. You would just be replacing tenants with dogs, which would be much more easier to deal with. 

With that said, your girlfriend's startup business might fail to generate the business you anticipate. It seems hard to quantify how much money she could generate (most startups don't do well) whereas if you rent to tenants, your cash flow is easier to calculate. I recommend you analyze these points before deciding which house to choose. 

House-hacking is a widely adopted strategy for reaching financial freedom very quickly. Virtually all investors started out with a FHA or VA multi-family house-hack. I recommend you listen to the Biggerpocket's podcasts, read up on house-hacking, and read Brendon Turner's books (all of them). Then you'll realize the power of house-hacking through a multi-family.

Either way, you should act on your ambitions. 

Cheers. 


 

Post: Time to talk about house-hacking in NYC in 2021-2022

Nick LouiePosted
  • Attorney
  • Weehawken, NJ
  • Posts 56
  • Votes 35

Hi BP community,

My name is Nick. I'm moving back to New York City for a job, and I'm intending on house-hacking by purchasing a 2-3 multifamily home. I'm a first time buyer. I listen to the BP podcast, and of course, I'm reading all of Brandon Tuner's books. I'm looking to house-hack in Brooklyn or Queens. Unfortunately, the Bronx would likely be out of the question (wife calls the shots). 

So, over the last couple of weeks, I've been searching for property on Zillow and Realtor.com. I've been analyzing numbers using the BP calculator for Pro members. After running the numbers on dozens of properties, my conclusion is house-hacking in Brooklyn/Queens (or other expensive, major metropolitan cities), seems to be a very tall task. 

Here are my thoughts on house-hacking in Brooklyn/Queens: 

  • - Price Range. The majority of 2-3 multi-families are $900k - $1.3m. In order to efficiently house-hack, it seems like a buyer would have to purchase a distressed property and rehab it with a FHA 203(k) to have a chance to land a $800k deal, which would produce acceptable cash flow and cash on cash return of interest numbers;
  • - Mortgage Product. Typically, buyers who want to house hack use a FHA loan. But in NYC, FHA 3.5% down loans don't work well because the premium mortgage interest (PMI) is too high: e.g., $1,000,000 x 1.05% = $10,500 / 12 = $875 monthly + mortgage payment + all other expenses;
  • - Down-Payment at least 20%Therefore, if PMI ruins the cash flow, then that means a buyer would have to put 20%+ down. In other words, the buyer could just use a conventional loan instead of a FHA, so this FHA strategy doesn't work in NYC.
  • Home Type. It seems like only a 3 family + an additional dwelling unit (ADU) is the only possibility of cash flowing once you move out of the house hack. Otherwise, the numbers don't really work: the COC ROI is too low and the cash flow is negative.
  • So, my conclusion is: I need to reconsider whether I want to pay 3.5% FHA or 20% conventional. Regardless of the mortgage product, to profitably house hack, I'd need to be prepared to purchase a semi-distressed 3 family + ADU property around the range of $800k - $850k. Then I would use a 203(k) to rehab it and get more equity in the property. I'll live in one unit and rent out the other 3 units, hopefully for $5,000/month+ rent for Year 1. Year 1 will definitely be negative cash flow/COC ROI numbers. I just gotta take that loss.
  • In Year 2, I could refinance my property, get out of the FHA loan, then move onto investment property #2 with a new FHA loan. Once I move out of property #1, I can rent out all 4 units, and now I'll actually positively cash flow on the property. Then I repeat this process for property #2 and keep the ball rolling.
  • Question to BP community: Is there anybody in the BP community that has successfully house-hacked in Brooklyn/Queens (or another major metropolitan city) that could share specific deal numbers? 
  • Please feel free to share your thoughts. Thanks. 

    Post: Should Pre-Approval Letter Contain Interest Rate?

    Nick LouiePosted
    • Attorney
    • Weehawken, NJ
    • Posts 56
    • Votes 35
    Originally posted by @Matt Devincenzo:

    I think you're focused on the wrong object here. You keep saying when do I shop for a rate? You already did that, and seemingly now have a good idea of what type of loan you'd qualify for, the terms you could get, and an expectation of a rate on that loan. Based on this pick your lender (or loan Broker) now, or keep shopping for one that you feel more comfortable with. Once you get in contract use that person for your purchase...if you find a loan that might save you 0.15% on your loan (my opinion) don't worry about it and stick with your lender. You should be choosing your lender or broker based on the service they provide, and their knowledge to help close your loan.

    I've used @Chris Mason as my loan broker a few times now here in CA. I'm almost positive I could get him to shop a loan for me, then go out and find some online lender for 0.25% less...and then deal with them for 4-6 months back and forth asking for the same document 15 times, having it expire and provide it again, lose my rate lock and getting a different rate etc. I use Chris because he makes sure he's using a lender that meets my objectives for a closing date etc. He gives years of experienced discussion on why market conditions indicate I may save a bit if we float the rate until closer to closing, he tells me we'll request an appraisal waiver because my LTV is good and I don't need to spend $750 to rush an appraisal that still will take 6 weeks...that's why you choose a lender/broker because of their service.

    Food for thought on a $1,000,000 loan a 0.25% increase takes your payment from $4,216 to $4,352, that is $136/mo on a million dollar loan! Don't step over dollars to pick up dimes. I like an extra $136/mo just as much as the next guy, but I'd rather get a fast closing on a decent deal and not stress the closing because my discount lender can't meet the deadline. 


    Hi Matt,

    Thanks for your tips here. Oddly enough, I talked to three lenders who have pre-approved me, but they all couldn't pinpoint an interest rate. Instead, they gave a broad range: high 2s to low 3s. So, I need to decide without having the full picture. Since I'm a first-time home buyer, I was under the impression the pre-approval letter should contain an interest rate. But after starting this thread, I now know that depending on the market, the lenders give the interest rate once I enter into contract. 

    You made some good points on other qualities one should focus on when choosing a lender, but again, I'm not experienced here. I'm in the very beginning of my journey, and I'm still building my team. I want to make sure it's the right team. I agree with you that there are other reasons to pick a lender besides interest rates, but that doesn't mean one should disregard it. I'm just saying I'd like to know what the market is offering before making a decision. 
     

    Post: How to find a good lender and get pre-approved?

    Nick LouiePosted
    • Attorney
    • Weehawken, NJ
    • Posts 56
    • Votes 35
    Originally posted by @Nick Bartelotti:

    I just started looking into real estate and reading books. I’m located in NYC but I was thinking of looking for properties in PA. I was curious on how to find a good lender to get pre-approved and get an understanding on rates and how to find a good financier to help me get my first property. Also curious if the lender has to be in the Same state as where I’m looking to buy. Would appreciate any help and knowledge!

     Hi Nick,

    I just got my first pre-approval ever from a lender in NYC. I'm looking to house-hack in NYC (I know...It seems impossible). I recently worked with a fantastic lender in NYC, but I don't know if would give a pre-approval out of state. Shoot me a DM, and I can connect you with him. 

    Why are you looking to buy out of state? Will you still pay rent in NYC? 

    Post: NYC House Hack Real Estate Agent

    Nick LouiePosted
    • Attorney
    • Weehawken, NJ
    • Posts 56
    • Votes 35

    @Omari Toomer

    Hi Omar,

    I see you said you house-hack in Bed-Stuy. Would you mind sharing some info on your deal? Multi-family? Duplex or triplex? Do you have an additional dwelling unit? Thanks.

    Post: NYC House Hack Real Estate Agent

    Nick LouiePosted
    • Attorney
    • Weehawken, NJ
    • Posts 56
    • Votes 35

    @Derek Powers

    Hi Derek, did you eventually land a hack house in NYC?

    Post: NYC House Hack Real Estate Agent

    Nick LouiePosted
    • Attorney
    • Weehawken, NJ
    • Posts 56
    • Votes 35

    @Ryan Clancy

    I’m following up on this thread here. Ryan, I was wondering how your house-hacking search turned out. Still searching?

    Post: Should Pre-Approval Letter Contain Interest Rate?

    Nick LouiePosted
    • Attorney
    • Weehawken, NJ
    • Posts 56
    • Votes 35

    @Jared Rine

    Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I agree with you. I talked to a couple lenders and they all gave me a pretty wide range. I wish you were in NYC!

    So, I’m wondering, when would be the best time to shop around for mortgages based on the interest rate? I assume it would be once I enter into contract with a seller?

    Post: Should Pre-Approval Letter Contain Interest Rate?

    Nick LouiePosted
    • Attorney
    • Weehawken, NJ
    • Posts 56
    • Votes 35
    Originally posted by @David Kelly:

    A rate isnt locked until a purchase agreement has been produced. Even then, you can still float the rate up until closer to closing. Rates are based off of LTV's and DTI and if we don't know what numbers we are working with then we cannot lock accordingly.

    Rates are not usually part of the pre-approval letter because, again, we dont know what property you are looking at buying and they all vary based off of taxes, insurance, etc...  However, if you are close to not qualifying based off of a higher rate, I would always be sure to tell the Agent and borrower that if rates increase that the loan may not be good anymore.

    Thanks for taking the time to reply. So when would be a good time to shop around for lenders? After I enter into a contract with the seller? Then at that point, I can go back to the lenders, discuss specific rates, and determine which lender is offering the best terms?

    Post: Should Pre-Approval Letter Contain Interest Rate?

    Nick LouiePosted
    • Attorney
    • Weehawken, NJ
    • Posts 56
    • Votes 35
    Originally posted by @Jared Rine:

    @Nick Louie..no lender I know of does this in CA.  When I'm doing this for my client's, we talk about a rate range, but pre-approvals are never issued with a hard interest rate and definitely never locked (I can't lock your rate if you're not registered and submitted).  Your mortgage broker or banker should be able to give you some type of range so that you're not making offers blind.  If they aren't doing that, find a different lender.

    @Jared Rine, Thanks for this. This makes sense. So, the correct time to shop around for mortgages would be after I enter into contract right. My lender did give me a range of high 2s to low 3s...Seems like a wide range.