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All Forum Posts by: William C.

William C. has started 19 posts and replied 57 times.

@Sean O'Keefe would like to get your opinion (nothing implied here) based on the facts below... Trying to grasp if you think our SFH would be eligible for ANY amount of bonus depreciation after a cost seg study is completed.

SFH purchased brand NEW the builder of the community. Purchased May 2017. Lived in as a primary residence. Placed in service as a long-term rental May 2018. Has been a rental property ever since.

Based on the well known 9/27/2017 cutoff date, we clearly do not qualify for 100% bonus depreciation. But do we qualify for any level of bonus depreciation? How much and through what methodology. We have read notes about 50% bonus or 40% bonus being available to us, because the home was purchased new.

Quote from @Sean O'Keefe:

Nathaniel C. to do a cost seg. or not depends on a few factors including:

  • What you are hoping to get out of it (e.g. offset other income in the portfolio, get a big refund to put down on another property)
  • How long do you plan to hold the property (depreciation recapture of 25% might make this less worthwhile if you sell the property in 2 years)
  • Did you already place the property in service and start depreciating it for 27.5 years (LTR) or 39 years (STR). In this case, it's messy to fix this and you have to file a Form 3115.
  • You would consider a 1031 exchange to avoid depreciation recapture.

There are more factors to consider depending on the investor. Would model this out or prepare tax returns with and without the impact of cost seg to help in the decision-making process. 

*This post does not create a CPA-client relationship. The information contained in this post is not to be relied upon. Readers are advised to seek professional advice.


 Thank you for the reply. We are not REPS and likely never will be. So no opps to offset W2-like income. However, on some of our properties, cashflow outstrips depreciation and expenses. This will likely continue to be the case since we are buy/hold. So using cost seg to bank passive losses would help our overall tax picture, now and in the near future.

We plan to hold forever.

We did place the property in service. We did start depreciating on a 27.5yr schedule (LTR). We are aware that Form 3115 will be involved in our scenario.

With our buy-hold forever plans... 1031 is a method we have our eyes on in case we need to "move" properties.

Based on the facts that follow, please let me know if you think our SFH would be eligible for ANY amount of bonus depreciation after a cost seg study is completed.

SFH purchased brand NEW from Ashton Woods (the builder of the community). Purchased May 2017. Lived in as a primary residence. Placed in service as a long-term rental May 2018. Has been a rental property ever since.

Based on the well known 9/27/2017 cutoff date, we clearly do not qualify for 100% bonus depreciation. But do we qualify for any level of bonus depreciation? How much and through what methodology. We have read notes about 50% bonus or 40% bonus being available to us, because the home was purchased new.

Hoping to gather some opinions. For SFH's that are LTR's (home values approx. $280k with land value backed out) what are the advantages and disadvantages to conducting a cost segregation study when bonus depreciation is unavailable? If the cost seg study will cost approx. $3k, is it worth the cost to bring that depreciation forward on an accelerated timeline. Cost seg in a bonus depreciation setting appears to be a no-brainer, but when bonus depreciation is not possible the advantages seem more murky. Thanks in advance for opinions here.

Purchased a home in August of 2022. It has come to light that the home has substantial water damage on the 2nd floor due to faulty shower tile and shower pan. Estimates say the repairs will go beyond $10,000. It was the opinion of the remediation companies that the leak has been present for much longer than the 7 months we have owned the home for. The water damage was not present in the seller's disclosures. The home inspector made no mention of potential water damage. Has anyone experienced anything similar to our situation? Most interested to learn if we have any recourse (legal or otherwise) to go after the seller for damages. Simply theorizing at this point, so any thoughts would be appreciated. Thank you.

Quote from @Nathan Gesner:
Quote from @William C.:

This is not unusual. There's a lot of variety based on state/city laws, size of the company, average rent rates, and other factors.

The Oregon company charging 7% with no other fees is probably providing poor services and unlikely to be financially successful as a company. Or they have other fees you haven't told us about. Even 10% with no other fees can be a losing business.

I know a PM that has a company in Atlanta and another in northern Florida. Same business, two different states, and his fees are quite different because of the laws or what the market allows/requires.


 Thank you for the context. I can say that the outfit in Oregon that works with us for 7%... they have a done a good job for us up to this point. I do not know enough about their balance sheet to speak on their level of financial success however. Same story about the Nevada company at 10%.

Quote from @Drew Sygit:

@William C. two thoughts come to mind:

1) What are the average rents in each of those locations? 
Affects monthly income for a PMC.

2) What are the headaches of each location?
Florida has humid climate & hurricanes. Both of those require more preventive maintenance hours from a PMC to properly handle.


Cannot say I know the overall average rent for each location. I do know the average rents for the properties that we own. All are 3+ bed, 2+ bath, SFH, in A or B class neighborhoods. Florida = $2650, Oregon = $2700, Nevada = $2800. You are correct that Florida has the lower average rent when compared with the other 2 states.

Agree that of all the states, the Florida properties tend to have more issues. In a normal year the Florida properties average 5 to 6 service calls. The other states are more in the 3-4 range.

We have a small portfolio of rental properties. All are SFH. The locations are spread out in the states of: Florida, Oregon, Nevada. We employ property management companies for all of them. We have noticed a WIDE discrepancy between property management fees in these three states. Florida (close to Sarasota) is the highest. See below for a summary:

Florida: On-Going Monthly = 10% of Each Month. New Lease = 50% of 1st Month. Lease Renewal = 25% of 1st Month.

Oregon: On-Going Monthly = 7% of Each Month (no other fees)

Nevada: On-Going Monthly 8-10% of Each Month (no other fees)

Market dynamics allow each PM company to charge whatever the market would bare. No complaints about that. If we do not like the service or prices, we are free to move on. We get that. Anyone else out there with similar situations and such large discrepancies from property to property?

Quote from @Ashish Acharya:

You need to first decide if you can actually benefit from these LTR's Cost Seg. 

If the answer is yes, then you can take 100% bonus depreciation even on the 2018 property (adjusted for what has already been done). 


 In our opinion, yes we do benefit from the cost seg's on the 2 LTR properties. Our cash flow from 2022 outstripped our baseline depreciation, so we will have a tax bill due on these properties for 2022. The cost seg's will allow us to cancel that out for 2022 and then carry forward for the following tax years.

We ask the question below, because we have contacted multiple (reputable) cost seg study companies and have received conflicting answers. It is hard to tell who is providing accurate info and who may just be telling us what we want to hear in order to gain our business. Posting this hear in hopes of more clarity on our situation. Thank you all in advance.

Property #1 - Purchase Date = 8/2019. Placed In Service (P.I.S.) Date = 3/2022.

Property #2 - Purchase Date = 6/2017. Placed In Service Date = 5/2018.

With bonus depreciation reducing starting in 2023, we would like to take advantage of 100% bonus depreciation in the 2022 tax year by running cost seg studies on 2 of our long-term rental properties. Because of the lag time between purchase dates (we occupied each as our primary residence before converting them to long-term rentals) and the Placed In Service (P.I.S.) dates for each property, will we still be able to realize 100% bonus depreciation if we run a cost seg and then file with our 2022 taxes?