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All Forum Posts by: William C.

William C. has started 19 posts and replied 57 times.

I have an update on the situation. After some back and forth between the current tenants and some realtors, there are some new factors in play:

The original selling scenario is unchanged. But the rental situation has an update...

The current tenants would like to re-new for another year. They are open to a rent increase to $2,300 (up from $2,150). They want some security. Although the feel is this will be a 1 year play for them. We are likely looking for new tenants after them (vacancy, turnover costs, etc). This scenario improves cashflow, and will do so even more if we refinance (currently at 4.125%, but there has been talk of that we could knock off one whole percentage point in our situation).

Of course with the closing costs to be paid in a refinance scenario (est. around $10,000), we would be semi-committing ourselves to a more long term hold scenario. The breakeven point is estimated at around 4 years (this does not factor in the rental income and potential home appreciation).

We are now leaning towards holding, continuing to be landlords (through the PM company of course). I'm looking for someone out there that can poke some holes in my thought process. Maybe uncover some important factors I may be missing. I am here to learn! If you need more information or numbers, just say so. Thank you all.

Originally posted by @Steve Morris:

In OR, yes, they ae deductible and your CapGains based on the net.

If it helps, in OR, seller pays for STANDARD title insurance since it basically is there to protect the seller from come-backs on title stuff.

If buyer wants EXTENDED title (needs a survey), then buyer usually pays the diff between STANDARD and EXTENDED.  Same goes for any extra coverages besides STANDARD.

Helpful. Thanks. I am located in Oregon, but the investment property is located in Florida. My research has said the title costs would be deductible nationwide. Thanks for the answer and verification.

I am potentially selling an investment property in Florida. The county the home is located in is negotiable on who pays for the title search and insurance costs. Some realtors have stated it is a county where the "seller picks the title company and the seller pays for the costs." Other realtors have stated the opposite. Since it is negotiable, realtors have noted most buyers will build the title costs into their offer if they are expected to cover them. So they would reduce their offer by the approximate amount of the title fees.

The question I have is, as a pure investment property and as a straight up sale (no 1031 exchange), are the title costs tax deductible from the net proceeds of the sale? I understand any opinions given here are just opinions, and will not be taken as tax advice. Thank you all in advance.

Originally posted by @Jed Haslam-Walker:

Hi Nathaniel,

I'm a Realtor who works with investors in the Sarasota market.

What you do will depend on your investment goals - I would suggest you think about those first and foremost. If, right now your primary concern is cashflow you will choose one path - if it is to grow your portfolio you would choose another etc. The goals you have influence your decisions and they determine, largely the metrics you choose to use to guide your decisions.

Briefly - it's a seller's market here right now - virtually every SFH I've either sold or bought has been a multiple offer situation in the past 10 weeks - inventory is historically low and rates are low and prices are projected to continue to rise over the next year at least in the SFH sector so selling right now - all things being equal would be relatively easy which could stabilise a 1031 situation - however if you plan to buy in a tight market ( Oregon) that would compromise the original impetus to increase cash-flow.

It is entirely possible to manage a small remote rental yourself if you have support locally and want to maximise cash-flow - 10% of $2150 = $215 + $120-170 extra from refinancing if you do not extract any equity = $335 - $385 extra revenue per month if you harness the PM fee and the reduced mortgage payment.

If your objective is to grow your portfolio then you might want to leverage the hot SFH market here and sell - maximise your selling price ( good Realtor and good target market asset positioning) and invest in a below market Triplex that you can force appreciate and set yourself up to pull the equity in a refinance event later down the line, collect good cash throw off and leverage the asset to speed up your portfolio growth...plus owning a MF builds your lender credentials more than a SFH if you want to scale up in the future.

I always have my clients clarify what their primary goals are with their investment portfolio - it matters and it really helps you to get clear so you can recognise what a good opportunity is for you. Without clarity you can't strike forward confidently and when you can't do that you can end up grinding your gears and not enjoying the process. 

Hope that helps a little..

Wow, what a great post. I have learned a lot from it. Thank you for taking the time.

Originally posted by @John Burkholder:

I’m a local Realtor serving Sarasota and Charlotte counties.  It sounds like you’ve done your research on evaluating the value of your property but if you’d like, I’d be happy to chat with you to discuss the current trends of the local market here in Sarasota and provide you with a price evaluation.  The market here as with most of Florida is one of the hottest in the nation right now and finding quality investment properties with tenants in place are in high demand and short supply.

I will be reaching out via your inbox to take you up on the price evaluation. Thank you.

Originally posted by @Nathan Broekhuizen:

Let me know if you are interested in selling! I may be interested in buying. Are you allowed to do weekly rentals?

Thank you for the post. I am interested in selling. Going through the realtor vetting process currently (no decision has been made). The home is in a HOA community. Weekly rentals are not allowed. Shortest lease length allowed is 6 months.

Long-time follower of the forum (and Podcast listener). First time poster on here. I would like to present my personal situation and get some opinions on how people would proceed (also why). See below and thank you in advance.

Current Holding: Single-family home in Sarasota, Florida that was purchased brand new in 2017. It has rented out successfully with good tenants for the past 3 years. It is managed by a property management company, as I am located a few time zones away. The home was purchased for $315k. 20% down. Interest rate of 4.125%. Altogether mortgage is around $1600. The current tenants pay $2150 for rent. The margins are narrow, but generally the property cash-flows positively (a major repair would obviously change this fact).

Some Scenarios I've Considered (I know I'm missing plenty):

Keep the current tenants. Renew for another year. Continue being a landlord (via the prop. mgmt company). Play the risk game of a major repair (newer house). Continue gaining equity in the home (we all hope). Possibly refinance to get the mortgage amount reduced (not sure how much better our rate would get from 4.125% being that it is an investment property).

Sell. Ballpark sales would be in the $360k range. Net would be around $70k. We could 1031 into a different property that is closer to home. One we could manage ourselves. But we happen to live in a market where cash-flowing properties are few (Oregon).

Very interested to hear what people have to say and to learn! Once again, here to answer any additional questions. Thank you!