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All Forum Posts by: William C.

William C. has started 21 posts and replied 65 times.

Quote from @Ashish Acharya:

It can be depreciated as a Land Improvement. You need to ask your CPA what would be the FMV to be depreciated as it will be less than 5000 when you put it.


Thanks for the reply. Would you assume the depreciation would take place over the typical 27.5 year time frame? Or would we be able to accelerate that depreciation?

We have a home we purchased and occupied for 3 years. In 2021 (while occupying the home) we spent $5,000 on fencing. Early in 2022 (this year) we moved out of the home and placed it into service as a rental property. We currently have a tenant in place with a 1 year lease. What options (if any) do we have for depreciating or deducting the cost of the fence? Since the money was spent on the fence at a time when we occupied the home, we understand we may not be able to depreciate or deduct under typical means. We are hopeful that there will be other avenues however. I will provide additional context as needed, just ask. Thanks.

Originally posted by @Greg M.:

Do you want to be a landlord? Even turning it over to a PM involves your time.

Repairs at 15% is high. This is usually under CapEx and typically people figure this at 5%-10%. Having said that, at 17 years for major items, they are likely to fail soon. Keep in mind when selling, a home inspection is going to catch this and buyers will want a price that reflects this.

You're in a HOA, so I'd suggest asking some owners who rent their units about turnover. Maybe 4% is low/high, but you could get a better idea for your area. SFH renters typically stay significantly longer than apartment/condo renters.

If you want to look at this as an investment:

  • Figure out what you would net by selling and what kind of return you would get on that cash from investing it elsewhere.
  • Figure out your true return on this place. It's not (111.40) a month. There is principal reduction that you have not accounted for.
  • Figure out a realistic estimate on rent increases and appreciation (and also factor in the ever increasing principal reductions every month).

After you've done this, you can come up with a better idea if it is worth it to keep or sell.

Thank you for this. I will get to work on these right away and see what comes up.

A couple things to note:

- In my market (in Oregon), typical PM companies only charge a monthly fee (7 to 10%). They do not have a lease signing or renewal fee. Thus the 10% straight across figure for the PM expense.

- I did not include a separate row for CapEx (Capital Expenditures) and I realize this may be a big mistake!

- The vacancy rate of 4% for my area was gathered by surveying multiple local PM companies. I understand they have an incentive to provide a more favorable number, but 3 to 4% was consistent.

I am hoping for some additional sets of eyes to analyze my options. Current situation... I own the home and live in it as my primary residence. I am strongly considering purchasing a new home to occupy as my primary residence. The two obvious options I see are: rent out the home or sell the home. Selling the home is fairly self-explanatory. There has been good appreciation, our market is (currently) strong, and I would be able to avoid paying taxes due to the 2 out of the last 5 rule. Renting it out is a possibility, but the cashflow picture does not look favorable. I have run some simple calculations below. I AM NOT looking to fudge any numbers and magically change the cashflow outlook. What I am looking for is opinions on if I am using the appropriate numbers for my calculation and if I am missing any other avenues of thought.

The home is a 2004 build. Maintenance and upkeep has been good. It does have some of the original components still in place: 17 year old gas water heater, 17 year old AC unit, etc. The home is located in Oregon, if that helps.

Originally posted by @Andrew S.:

Those typical numbers of 5% to 15% are reasonable for my experience.  If you're looking at older out of date properties - go with the higher end. If you're looking at newer / more up to date / more maintained properties - go with the lower end. 

Question... Being that you're in MT, not to far off from where I am located in OR, what would you consider an older home? How about a newer home? What type of age ranges are we talking about. For example I have a 2004 build home. Where would you consider that to fall in your opinion. Top of that 5-15% range, middle, bottom?

Originally posted by @Greg Weik:

I don't find the percentage approach to be particularly helpful when anticipating a property's maintenance needs.  What you really want is a probability and price analysis.  I.e., how OLD is this system (furnace/AC/hot water heater, etc.), what's the expected lifespan, and what's the cost to replace it if it fails?  

If you use this approach to repairs, and if you're conservative (and somewhat knowledgeable or able to research the average lifespan of various systems), you'll be a lot closer to reality than just tossing a percentage to the wall.  I manage hundreds of properties: some have no maintenance for years, and some have maintenance every month.  Gotta know the systems. 

Vacancy times are another one where clients often ask the wrong question, which is "what are your average days on market?" 

The right question is "what are the average days on market for my property, located here, in X condition, this time of year that will/will not allow pets."  That is the question you're really asking anyway, so just ask it.  :)  

Yeah, this is excellent. Thank you. Correct me where I am wrong here Greg, but essentially a Capital Expenditures type of calculation for the major systems of the house? Understanding what's in the house, the expected lifespan, the current phase in the lifecycle, and the expected cost of replacement/repair. Certainly sounds more involved, but also sounds more accurate.

As I "run the numbers" to estimate the cashflow potential of a property, a sticking point for me has always been accurately representing the Vacancy Rate and the Repairs/Maintenance costs. The Vacancy Rate is something I get from asking local property management companies what they typically experience for similar rentals. I understand they have an incentive to under-represent this figure. The figure I struggle with is a number for projecting monthly Repairs/Maintenance. For quick calculations I always represent this number as a percentage of the monthly rent.

Example: Monthly Rent = $2000 - Repairs/Maintenance = 15% - Estimated Repairs/Maintenance Budget = $300 per month

I have heard rules of thumb ranging from 5 to 15%. I understand much of it will come down to the age and prior upkeep of the property. I also understand erring on the side of caution is important. I am curious to know how other investors go about estimating as accurate a number as possible while never "fudging" the numbers. Thank you taking the time to answer.

Originally posted by @Sheena Drake:

I just visited with my CPA who is very good at REI and does such himself. He explained that above the $150,000 threshold the loss becomes a "suspended loss". By not claiming these losses then I don't have to account for how many hours I work at REI. In other words I don't have to prove that I can have a high income job and work alot of hours and still have the time to run my rental business. These suspended losses will accumulate and then when I would like to sell some real estate that has equity, I will be able to use these suspended losses against the equity and essentially pay that much less in capital gains. Wonderful news, as I don't need the money back in taxes now but sure will enjoy later in retirement when I contemplate selling for profit.

Yes, thank you!

Originally posted by @Erik W.:

@William C., The deduction against W-2 income starts to fall off above $100,000 and is completely eliminated at $150,000.  You can still use it to reduce taxes on your rental income, and anything you can't use "this" year gets carried forward indefinitely into future years.  So you can "bank" the loss to help shield rental income once your property is 100% depreciated.

That's my understanding anyway.  I recommend hiring a CPA who has experience working with REIs.

Thank you for this. Very helpful. And yes on the CPA with a REI focus. Starting that interview process now!