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All Forum Posts by: Mitch Messer

Mitch Messer has started 73 posts and replied 2076 times.

Post: Skip Trace Recommendations...

Mitch MesserPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Playa del Carmen, México
  • Posts 2,221
  • Votes 1,767

@Mike Haworth

In situations like this, I also skip-trace the residents on either side of the target property.

Those close neighbors can be a goldmine of info on resident history, any recent comings and goings, and last known contact info. 

Plus, they want someone to fix up the vacant eyesore next door as badly as you want to buy it! 

Post: Germany Expats with real estate Invesments in USA

Mitch MesserPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Playa del Carmen, México
  • Posts 2,221
  • Votes 1,767

Hey @Diego L., we're currently living in Lima, Peru, with some real estate investments in the USA!

Let's definitely connect!

Post: Sell our current business to start full-time flipping?

Mitch MesserPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Playa del Carmen, México
  • Posts 2,221
  • Votes 1,767
Quote from @Haley Elisabeth:
Quote from @Mitch Messer:
Quote from @Caleb Brown:
Quote from @Haley Elisabeth:
Quote from @Caleb Brown:

Is the business able to be sellable? If it is not set up with systems and people in place to run it you will be mainly selling your book of business. I would not sell. If he hates managing he needs to hire that out and then use the extra time to start flipping. To throw all your eggs into the flipping basket without doing a deal to me is not wise. Do a few then decide about going all in. 


Thank you for your reply! It is sellable and we have had an assessment with a broker. We are just debating to follow through or not!

We did try hiring out the manager in the past for 2 years - but my husband didn't manage that person well, so they didn't manage the employees well, and we ended up losing money. Employee management is not a strength of my husband (and he happily admits it!). 


 Well that's good. I would still push through and do a few deals before selling. You might hate flipping over running a GC business but I would not kill your income source. 


I'm 💯 with Caleb on this: Test out your flipping plan before you sell your business!

Has your business broker explained that the majority of businesses put on the market do not sell?

And, even if you do find a seller, you're looking at a minimum of 6-12 months of due diligence and financial review.

Plus, the new owner is likely going to want you both to stay on for a least a little while after the sale!

The time to find out if flipping is a viable pivot is now, while you still have income!

Thank you so much! It's helpful to hear the perspective outside the broker. For a company our size, we were told more like 1-2 months of due diligence and 1 month of staying on, but we have nothing to truly compare that to in the "real world".  I appreciate your input - very helpful! 

Yes, to be fair, if it's a straight-forward all-cash purchase, then the due-diligence likely could be done in 60 days or so. I was being too pessimistic in that regard.

I'm glad the overall message was received as intended!

Post: How can I use the equity in my primary residence to get started?

Mitch MesserPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Playa del Carmen, México
  • Posts 2,221
  • Votes 1,767
Quote from @Bryan Galaz:
Quote from @Mitch Messer:
Quote from @Bryan Galaz:

I have over $500k in equity with my primary residence and feel like I should be using it to get into real estate investing, but have no idea how to get started.  How can I use that equity to buy a rental property?

Thank you!

Hey Bryan, I applaud you for wanting to put your funds to work.

And, I 💯 agree that real estate is likely the best path forward.

My question is this: How certain are you that the best way for you to "get into real estate investing" is as an active investor?

Finding a property, negotiating a deal, securing a tenant, and managing a rental is seriously hard work!

And, I'm willing to bet that most landlords don't do much better than a 10% annual return on their funds. (Most probably do FAR worse...)

By contrast, private lenders are currently earning about 12% annualized interest on their money.

And, getting exactly ZERO calls at 2am from unhappy tenants!

Note: I'm not judging. I've been a rental property investor for 25 years.

I'm just wondering if you're aware of RE investment alternatives that might better suit your situation. 


I never thought about investing in that way. How would that work with money coming from a HELOC?


Bryan, it would be quite similar to what you were planning. You'd access the HELOC funds and then lend them to an investor at an agreed-upon rate for an agreed-upon period of time. (There's obviously paperwork and structure and closings, but that's the gist.)

Also, it doesn't have to be either/or. You could invest some of your funds into a direct investment, and some you could put to work indirectly as a private lender.

To be clear, I'm not advocating that you should do any of this. I was just wondering if you'd even considered this option!

I often see folks jump straight to being an active investor, and I know just how much work that can be, often for disappointing financial rewards.

It's generally better to be the bank!

Post: How can I use the equity in my primary residence to get started?

Mitch MesserPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Playa del Carmen, México
  • Posts 2,221
  • Votes 1,767
Quote from @Bryan Galaz:

I have over $500k in equity with my primary residence and feel like I should be using it to get into real estate investing, but have no idea how to get started.  How can I use that equity to buy a rental property?

Thank you!

Hey Bryan, I applaud you for wanting to put your funds to work.

And, I 💯 agree that real estate is likely the best path forward.

My question is this: How certain are you that the best way for you to "get into real estate investing" is as an active investor?

Finding a property, negotiating a deal, securing a tenant, and managing a rental is seriously hard work!

And, I'm willing to bet that most landlords don't do much better than a 10% annual return on their funds. (Most probably do FAR worse...)

By contrast, private lenders are currently earning about 12% annualized interest on their money.

And, getting exactly ZERO calls at 2am from unhappy tenants!

Note: I'm not judging. I've been a rental property investor for 25 years.

I'm just wondering if you're aware of RE investment alternatives that might better suit your situation. 

Post: Sell our current business to start full-time flipping?

Mitch MesserPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Playa del Carmen, México
  • Posts 2,221
  • Votes 1,767
Quote from @Caleb Brown:
Quote from @Haley Elisabeth:
Quote from @Caleb Brown:

Is the business able to be sellable? If it is not set up with systems and people in place to run it you will be mainly selling your book of business. I would not sell. If he hates managing he needs to hire that out and then use the extra time to start flipping. To throw all your eggs into the flipping basket without doing a deal to me is not wise. Do a few then decide about going all in. 


Thank you for your reply! It is sellable and we have had an assessment with a broker. We are just debating to follow through or not!

We did try hiring out the manager in the past for 2 years - but my husband didn't manage that person well, so they didn't manage the employees well, and we ended up losing money. Employee management is not a strength of my husband (and he happily admits it!). 


 Well that's good. I would still push through and do a few deals before selling. You might hate flipping over running a GC business but I would not kill your income source. 


I'm 💯 with Caleb on this: Test out your flipping plan before you sell your business!

Has your business broker explained that the majority of businesses put on the market do not sell?

And, even if you do find a seller, you're looking at a minimum of 6-12 months of due diligence and financial review.

Plus, the new owner is likely going to want you both to stay on for a least a little while after the sale!

The time to find out if flipping is a viable pivot is now, while you still have income!

Post: Does a newbie need a RE focused CPA up front?

Mitch MesserPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Playa del Carmen, México
  • Posts 2,221
  • Votes 1,767

@Ashley Campbell You are wise to engage an accountant who understands real estate and who has a significant percentage of RE investor clients.

That said, it shouldn't cost anywhere near $5K for you to get answers to basic questions!

The key to having great financial systems is the setup and systems: If you get everything structured properly up front, you avoid most of the ugly problems many RE investors face later on.

I'm not an accountant nor a bookkeeper, but I have great recommendations for both!

If you reach out to me (my BP profile explains how), I'll gladly share!

Post: Psst! Wanna Buy a Half-Priced Lambo?

Mitch MesserPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Playa del Carmen, México
  • Posts 2,221
  • Votes 1,767
Quote from @Patrick Roberts:

At least once per week I see this in the FB groups and it immediately gets 40-50 comments with people's emails and asking for DMs. Then you click on the OP's profile and the account was created 4 minutes ago and there's one pic of some generic middle aged person. I'm just in awe at this kind of stuff.

I investigated a lot of fraud when I was a cop and would be dumbfounded by what people fall for. Like yeah, the IRS really wants Walmart and Target gift cards over the phone in the next five minutes to cover your "unpaid" taxes. These kinds of scams remind of that - it's unbelievable.

@Patrick Roberts Agree completely!

These are not sophisticated scams executed by criminal masterminds. There are obviously fake accounts offering ridiculous terms that stand out like a flashing neon billboard.

Also, the countermeasures are pretty simple: "Don't pay anyone for ANYTHING up front!"

And yet, I continue to run into folks being taken for thousands of dollars at a time!

Post: Psst! Wanna Buy a Half-Priced Lambo?

Mitch MesserPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Playa del Carmen, México
  • Posts 2,221
  • Votes 1,767
Quote from @Chris Seveney:
Quote from @Mitch Messer:



Even if you had NO idea what a Lamborghini Huracán was worth ...

... what would be your IMMEDIATE response if I offered one to you at half-price?

I'll bet it's one of TWO thoughts:
😮 There's something WRONG with the car!
😮 This is a SCAM to take something of value from me!

This is because, as adults, we ALL have *some* familiarity with cars and money and we know how the business world works!

We understand that NO one can (consistently) sell a $345K sports car for half of market value!

And yet...

When someone posts that they will fund 100% of a real estate deal with their private funds at just 6% interest, investors lose their MINDS!!

The going rate for short-term private money is 12%.

NO private lender can stay in business making loans at half of the market rate!

#StopBeingUnFUNDableAF
#WhenBanksPullBackScammersPushForward


 I love this post. Great click bait and it is so true. I see on BP and in FB groups the 100% financing at 4% or 6% etc. with no credit check....

@Chris Seveney Yes, and it sickens me to see so many folks commenting "More info please" and then DMing these clowns like crazy!

Because, as you know, that scammer doesn't just rob the would-be borrower.

They also steal a potential loan (and its interest payments) away from us legit lenders! 🤬

Post: Psst! Wanna Buy a Half-Priced Lambo?

Mitch MesserPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Playa del Carmen, México
  • Posts 2,221
  • Votes 1,767



Even if you had NO idea what a Lamborghini Huracán was worth ...

... what would be your IMMEDIATE response if I offered one to you at half-price?

I'll bet it's one of TWO thoughts:
😮 There's something WRONG with the car!
😮 This is a SCAM to take something of value from me!

This is because, as adults, we ALL have *some* familiarity with cars and money and we know how the business world works!

We understand that NO one can (consistently) sell a $345K sports car for half of market value!

And yet...

When someone posts that they will fund 100% of a real estate deal with their private funds at just 6% interest, investors lose their MINDS!!

The going rate for short-term private money is 12%.

NO private lender can stay in business making loans at half of the market rate!

#StopBeingUnFUNDableAF
#WhenBanksPullBackScammersPushForward