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All Forum Posts by: Mitch Messer

Mitch Messer has started 73 posts and replied 2080 times.

Post: Need HML in AZ

Mitch MesserPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Playa del Carmen, México
  • Posts 2,227
  • Votes 1,775

@Jeremy Holden Are you looking exclusively for hard money, or would private funds work?

How much is being requested? How much renovation is needed?

Post: How to wholesale rental properties?

Mitch MesserPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Playa del Carmen, México
  • Posts 2,227
  • Votes 1,775

Hey @Jacob Lileev!

The MAO formula (70% of ARV Minus Repairs Minus Wholesale_Fee) only makes sense for fix-and-flip deals.

For rental deals, you'll need to calculate the metrics that matter to a landlord, starting with Cash Flow and Cash-on-Cash-return.

To do this you'll need to estimate Income and Operating Expenses to get Net Operating Income (NOI). From there you'll need to determine Debt Service (if it's a financed deal) and Capital Expenses, to then calculate Cash Flow.

The Cash-on-Cash Return (CoCR) will just be Cash Flow divided by the All-In Investment (Purchase Price + Renovations + Closing Costs + Wholesale Fee).

If you're wholesaling these deals, I recommend you aim to offer your buyers a Cash Flow of no less than $250/mo and a CoCR of 10% or higher.

Post: Hello from the Midwest(Tulsa/Broken Arrow) and getting deeper into real estate.

Mitch MesserPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Playa del Carmen, México
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Hey @Derrick Sanford, welcome to BiggerPockets!

I've been active in the Tulsa market since 2021, when I lived there for a year and a half as a digital nomad under the Tulsa Remote program.

What's been your biggest obstacle to getting started?

Post: 18 Year Old First Time Wholesaler: I Have A Contract But Can't Sell, What To Do?

Mitch MesserPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Playa del Carmen, México
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Hey @Kris Patel, welcome to the wonderful world of wholesaling!

You're in this at waaay too high a purchase price! That's why it's not selling.

In most markets, your Maximum Allowable Offer (MAO) to a seller should be no more than:

MAO = (70% * ARV) - Repairs - Wholesale_Fee

MAO = (0.7 * 290K) - 40K - Wholesale_Fee

MAO = 203K - 40K - Wholesale_Fee

MAO = 163K - Wholesale_Fee

               - OR -

MAO + Wholesale_Fee = 163K

So, you'd need to get this under contract with the seller at under $163K to make any money at all as a wholesaler.

At $200K you're NEVER going to get any interest from experienced rehabbers.

This is also why you probably got no resistance or pushback from the seller. No one else was likely offering them anywhere near your $175K.

This is why.

You need to buy at a deeper discount.

Post: Do you disclose you are the owner to tenants?

Mitch MesserPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Playa del Carmen, México
  • Posts 2,227
  • Votes 1,775
Quote from @Josh Silvester:

Hi everyone! 

Thank you all for the advice on my previous posts. An update, we are set to close on our first duplex house hack next week! I am now in a hurry to get all my marketing plans/tenant screening info up and ready so we can get tenants in ASAP. What are some things I should be taking care of first and foremost or items I shouldn’t overlook? Also, what are your opinions on telling the potential tenants you are the owner in the other unit? I’ve heard people say don’t do it, but not sure why and frankly don’t want to be dishonest if they ask. Thanks!

In 25 years of property management, I have never heard one good reason for a landlord to disclose to the tenants that they are the ultimate owner.

In most cases, it's pure ego on the part of the investor. And, ego can get you killed (literally!).

We take title to each of our rental properties in a separate land trust. Therefore, we can legitimately assert that "we" are not the owners ... the trust is!

The trust then hires our management company to act as landlord and deal with tenants.

Yes, tenants do have a right to know that their landlord is legitimate and that they are authorized to manage the property.

But, that's it.

It's all fun and games until an armed, pissed-off tenant shows up at the doorstep of your personal residence...

Post: Biggerpockets Atlanta (Atlanta REI Meetup)

Mitch MesserPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Playa del Carmen, México
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@Vincent Crane Just so you know, searching FB for "Atlanta real estate investing meetup" found no groups with that name.

If BP allows you to provide the direct link, I'd strongly recommend doing so.

Post: New Member to the Community

Mitch MesserPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Playa del Carmen, México
  • Posts 2,227
  • Votes 1,775
Quote from @Kayla Maupin:

 Hello everyone, I'm Kayla, the proud owner of a startup specializing in short-term rentals in Tulsa, Oklahoma. With a strong passion for hospitality and a commitment to exceptional guest experiences, I've launched this venture to offer premium accommodations that cater to the diverse needs of travelers. Whether it's for business trips or family vacations, our rentals are designed to provide unparalleled comfort, luxury, and convenience. I'm eager to share this journey with you and connect with fellow professionals in the industry. Your valuable advice is greatly appreciated as I embark on this exciting venture.

@Kayla Maupin Since you mentioned both STR and Tulsa, this article might be of interest.

You may already be aware of all this, but just in case:

The meteoric rise — and spectacular fall — of the Queen of Airbnbhttps://www.yahoo.com/news/meteoric-rise-mdash-spectacular-f...

Post: Want to rent my multifamily building to the Care Industry

Mitch MesserPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Playa del Carmen, México
  • Posts 2,227
  • Votes 1,775
Quote from @Ty Winston:

I have a 6 unit building that I would like to rent to a company in the care industry (Group homes, RTC, Senior living ect.) I have put some out fillers on social media but have not received any serious leads. I would love some suggestions on what other avenues I can take or prehaps another type of industry? I have also considered getting some investor and turning the building into a facility myself as and option.   WHAT ARE SOME THOUGHTS ON THE IDEA ? FOR A BIGGER RETURN ON MY INVESTMENT. I built the property in 2005 each unit is 4 bedrooms 3 bath  in Houston Texas 


I just spent the weekend masterminding with serious players in the group home space. I'd be happy to help get you visibility! (See my profile for how to reach me.)

That said, you're not doing yourself any favors with your overall presentation here on BiggerPockets. You've got no photo. Your profile is blank. You provide zero links to other (corroborating) social media platforms.

Plus, this is your first and only post here, and you're asking for help!

I had to learn this lesson myself: The engagement you receive on BiggerPockets will generally be in exact proportion to your contribution to this community!

Post: Hard Money/ Private money lender

Mitch MesserPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Playa del Carmen, México
  • Posts 2,227
  • Votes 1,775
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @Mitch Messer:
Quote from @Idalys Samuels:

How do I check the credibility of a lender? What are the requirements? What are the red flags? 

There are a ton of things you should check, but here's the most important thing to do FIRST: Get referrals of recent clients and then check them thoroughly.

Whatever you're told by the lender, confirm it ALL by speaking directly to the last three or four borrowers.

How easy was it to get approved? What was the actual interest rate charged? How many points were charged? How long did the process take? Was a personal guarantee required?

Ask it all, and more, and then listen very, very carefully to the answers.

And, if your "lender" won't give you the names and phone numbers of at least three recent borrowers, you should run!


not sure about this..  its not legal or proper to give out the names of phone numbers of your borrowers.. I dont know any lender that would even remotely entertain this.  Other than maybe having a generic  testimonial page.. This also is far to easy to set up Schills you have no clue if the people are real and just working for a fake lender.. I would skip this for sure.

Agreed, it's not legal or proper to give out the names or phone numbers of your borrowers without their permission.

There's absolutely nothing inappropriate or unseemly about offering up borrowers willing to share their lender experiences with another potential borrower.

The private lending landscape is littered with scammers and bad actors. The only way to address this is with greater transparency, not stonewalling.

Honestly, any lender who can't produce something more than a "generic testimonial page" gets a well-deserved "hairy eyeball" from me!

Post: Seller Financing - Need help structuring a deal

Mitch MesserPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Playa del Carmen, México
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Quote from @Sebastian Sovero:

I'm looking for some advice regarding structuring a deal through seller financing. The owner of the property is a relative, who purchased the property (condo in Miami) for $200K in 2014. She's 90 and looking to remove herself from having to deal with tenants and the property altogether. She's been renting it for $2,800/month and the condo has a $600 monthly HOA.

I want to offer her $350,000 for the condo (its a fair price for it), 5% down payment ($17,500) and pay her monthly $2,000 for 3 years, after which I would refinance and pay her out. I am considering posing this as a zero interest deal, so the $72,000 ($2,000 x 36 months) paid in the 3 years leading up to the balloon would go straight into the principal, and so will the $17,500 down payment. I would have to find financing in 3 years for the $260,500 remaining to be paid. She has the title to the property as it is fully paid off.

Questions:

1.) How do I set up the documents to do this? I assume I need an attorney, any recommendations on anyone experienced on this matter?

2.) I assume we would use a title company. Any recommendations for title companies familiar with this? Also, does the title go to my name at the time of closing?

3.) Thoughts on how to pitch this to her? She's wants to sell it and remove herself from the equation. She doesn't need the money, so its more of a matter of recouping what she invested, and making somewhat easier on me to be able to pay her back.

Thanks for any advice.

Hey @Sebastian Sovero, here are a few things to keep in mind.

First, you are waaaaay overpaying on the monthly! With your proposed seller finance terms, you'd see serious negative cash flow for years! By your own admission, "she doesn't need the money," so why set yourself up for failure?

Second, if this relative has any other close family, prepare to be accused of "taking advantage of sweet old Aunt Sally," if not now, then a few years down the road. At very least, run your proposal by other family members so no one gets bent out of shape.

Third, a three-year balloon is super-short and ill-advised! I'd recommend nothing shorter than 5 years.

Regarding your specific questions:

1) Yes, any competent closing agent (title company or attorney, depending on your state) can prepare the note and security instrument (security deed, mortgage, etc.) you need.

2) See 1. Ask your local real estate investors association (REIA) for referrals. Yes, you should do a real title search and get real title insurance. Yes, your entity name will go on the deed at closing.

3) Before you worry about pitching it to her, make sure the deal makes financial sense as an investment for you! The biggest threat to her not getting her money is you structuring a bad deal and then having to default on the loan!