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All Forum Posts by: Mitch Messer

Mitch Messer has started 73 posts and replied 2085 times.

Post: Looking to close first deal

Mitch Messer#3 Classifieds ContributorPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Playa del Carmen, México
  • Posts 2,232
  • Votes 1,784

Hey @Elijah Booker, welcome to BiggerPockets!

What concerns me most is that statement: "I have yet to have a conversation with a seller"

Here's the truth: It'll probably take talking to 50-100 prospective sellers before you even have a shot at getting a deal.

You don't get to change that.

You do get to decide how long you'll take to get those conversations completed.

Reach just 1-2 sellers per week and it'll take you a year or two before you get a deal.

Reach 10 sellers per weekday, and you'll likely get a deal within a month!

So get busy TODAY talking to sellers.

(HINT: It doesn't much matter where these sellers happen to be located. Find a cheap way to find sellers who need help, and then get busy serving them. And then, get better at it.)

Post: Starting Out - Determining Market

Mitch Messer#3 Classifieds ContributorPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Playa del Carmen, México
  • Posts 2,232
  • Votes 1,784
Quote from @Cliff Song:

Hi everyone, 

I'm trying to find my first investment property and have started analyzing deals out-of-state but having difficulty finding opportunities with even minimal positive cash flow. I started in Oklahoma City and surrounding areas due to having family there but I can't seem to find anything that pencils. I'm considering looking in other areas based on what I'm seeing on the internet like Ohio, Indiana, and Michigan. Would like to hear thoughts and suggestions on finding markets.

Thanks,

Cliff


And you were so close...

I recommend you take a close look at Tulsa! Strong rental demand, a growing economy, a supportive local government, and a business community that is seriously committed to making Tulsa the "Next Big Thing."

Post: Sale at a $50k loss at purchase price or in repairs? In a -$100k hole

Mitch Messer#3 Classifieds ContributorPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Playa del Carmen, México
  • Posts 2,232
  • Votes 1,784
Quote from @Mark Brown:

Long story short I purchased a home in an overinflated environment for $500k. I got the 5% downpayment from a HELOC.

The mortgage and hold cost is a lot for me (over $4k). 

I struggled with getting property manager since I'm remote and low-renting tenants. It's a multifamily.

Even with perfect rents I'd be at a cashflow deficit of about $1500 a month. I didn't get my disclosure on final monthly PITI until 1 week before closing so I was well pass due diligence.

I decided to list the house. Now that I'm showing it people are complaining about it's condition. Which is better in my situation - doing repairs myself (possibly $50k) and increase the likelihood of selling (not incurring holding cost of interest on HELOC and PITI on 30 yr/mortgage). Or do I reduce the listing price by $50k? Either way I've loss close to $50k already in holding cost, fees, and withdrawal from HELOC for downpayment.

The problem is I could list for $50k lower and still not get offers in its current condition. I have 0% equity since I just got the home.




For starters, I would go back to all of the people complaining about the condition and test whether providing a repair allowance at closing would make a difference. Without tipping your hand, ask them how much of an allowance they'd need to make this a viable deal.

Maybe it's $50K, but perhaps it's far less!

Keep in mind that the money is only one factor; your TIME-cost is a far greater concern here. Doing a $50K renovation might take you months, which would mean even more holding expense.

And, the same problem you mention also applies in the DIY scenario: What if you take months to make $50K in renovations and then still don't get the offer you need?

Post: Seeking a willing Mentor.

Mitch Messer#3 Classifieds ContributorPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Playa del Carmen, México
  • Posts 2,232
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Quote from @Sergio P Ramos:

I'm looking for someone willing to mentor me. I understand that knowledge is not free. I've had a difficult time scaling up. I could use some real world guidance. If anyone is interested or could possibly point me in the right direction it'd be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance.


Mentors get excited about helping people that they can connect with, whose dreams and goals are exciting and contagious!

You've been on BiggerPockets for over a year, yet you have no biographical info, no links to other social media accounts, and not even a photo. 

Honestly, would YOU mentor you?

Post: NDA documents when looking for partners on a deal

Mitch Messer#3 Classifieds ContributorPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Playa del Carmen, México
  • Posts 2,232
  • Votes 1,784
Quote from @Laura Casner:

Looking for advice on NDA's.  I have a deal and business plan that I need to source capital for. I need a large downpayment to close.  I'm concerned about a scenario where I show the property to a potential investor then that person with the cash to close circumnavigates me and approaches the seller with their own offer, swopping in and grabbing the property on their own.  Anyone have advice here? Does it make me look bad?  Does it turn off people from funding my deal?  Is it common?  Anyone have links to templates for something like this or a sample they would share?


If you already have the deal under contract, I'd recommend protecting yourself with an affidavit of agreement (AoA), rather than an NDA.

For one thing, the AoA gets recorded on public record and should therefore show up in a title search, preventing someone from swooping in and stealing your deal. The NDA is a private agreement and won't by itself stop a sale to another buyer.

I'm happy to share an example of our AoA. See my BP profile for the best way to reach me!

Post: How do we analyze the markets and deals outside of the US?

Mitch Messer#3 Classifieds ContributorPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Playa del Carmen, México
  • Posts 2,232
  • Votes 1,784

@Ngoc Vo Welcome to BiggerPockets!

The good news is that the financial metrics you've read about are universal and not at all country specific.

The bad news is that Germany may just not be a good cash-flow market, compared to the U.S.

But then, few markets are.

That's why you find so many Germans and Australians and Spaniards and others trying so hard to find great deals in the U.S.

And, even in the States, there are plenty of sub-markets where properties routinely fail the so-called "1% rule."

My advice is to keep searching, see the whole gameboard, and let the financials be your guide to great opportunities!

They are definitely out there!

Post: Good cash deal? - Multifamily Analysis

Mitch Messer#3 Classifieds ContributorPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Playa del Carmen, México
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Quote from @Gino Barbaro:

@Jerry Zhang

What is the median income of the area, and the unit mixes of the apartments? I would look into market comps for value and rents. I would also do a lease audit to check for delinquency, and how many of these tenants were just leased to, and how many are actually paying. Heads in beds are good, but are those heads paying

I would ask this seller why is he selling. From a pure numbers perspective, it appears to be a very good deal. I would love to see you wholesale it to an operator and you keep a piece.

I know a few students who own and operate in NM, and I can make an intro for you

Gino


Hey Gino, I reached out to you on LinkedIn. Can't DM here.

Post: Good cash deal? - Multifamily Analysis

Mitch Messer#3 Classifieds ContributorPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Playa del Carmen, México
  • Posts 2,232
  • Votes 1,784

Hey @Jerry Zhang, congrats on finding an interesting deal!

I recommend you check your numbers: If current NOI is $37K and they're asking $500K cash, your cash-on-cash return at time of closing can't be more than 7.4%, and that's assuming an all-cash purchase, ZERO CapEx, ZERO renovations and ZERO closing costs. All very unlikely.

Also, I'd be highly concerned about that 18% vacancy rate you'd be buying into! That's NOT my definition of "turnkey!" Be sure understand the reason for it, so you're not digging yourself into a deep hole here.

Lastly, remember that cap rate is a measure of the local market. Without knowing the cap rates of other MFHs nearby, there's not much objective insight to be gained there.

Good luck!

Post: Any Easy way to Get ESCROW Impound Funds BACK - when SUBJECT 2 Loan is paid off ???

Mitch Messer#3 Classifieds ContributorPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Playa del Carmen, México
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Quote from @Michael Morrongiello:
Mitch - A Good Strategy however;
Can an ENTITY (your corporation) be designated as AIF - Attorney in Fact for INDIVIDUAL borrowers who's loan is being paid off? (where you acquired title to their property SUBJECT 2 their loan)

We've been told that ONLY a PERSON (an individual) having the capacity to contract is QUALIFIED to act as an Attorney in Fact for an individual. That seems to preclude
YOUR company from acting a Attorney in Fact on their behalf?

When the Loan Servicer / Bank is paid off they will issue a CHECK to THEM (the original borrowers)

SO, assume the AIF is designating YOU (as an individual AIF) to act on their behalf
then YOU as an individual endorse the check as their AIF over to YOUR company's Name?

"Pay to the order of < MY COMPANY NAME> by virtue of the Power of Attorney in Fact granted to by  

THOUGHTS ???


That's a fair question, so I went back and checked. The PoA designates our company as AIF.

Now, it's possible that back during the original closing we had the borrower sign TWO PoAs: One designating our company, the other designating an individual representing the company.

Our original PoA was prepared in consultation with an attorney, but that was done well over a decade ago!

That said, the PoAs we have used, and this is across several dozen sub2 deals, has been with the company as AIF.

Never had a problem getting a lender check to clear in over 20 years.

Post: Multi-family Portfolio in Augusta, GA

Mitch Messer#3 Classifieds ContributorPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Playa del Carmen, México
  • Posts 2,232
  • Votes 1,784

@Jaime Powell Can you walk us through the pricing philosophy here?

For example, 107 Ellis Street will deliver about $20K in Gross Income once stabilized. After Operating Expenses are deducted, we're looking at about $13K in NOI.

Purchased for cash at the full asking price of $244,900, and assuming NO CapEx or renovations, that's about a 5.3% Cash-on-Cash return.

What am I missing?