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All Forum Posts by: Account Closed

Account Closed has started 11 posts and replied 613 times.

Post: Analyzing a 50-unit apartment- "The 1% Rule" ?

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 Usually when I hear the word 'rural' when discussing an apartment location, that usually is another word for risk. Demand for rental housing in Minneapolis and occupancy rate would be different than Alexandria's.

Post: What am I missing with rental properties?

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Originally posted by @Jared Baker:

 My question is how do you create a positive cash flow from rental properties early on?

You have to buy the property at a price rent ratio (Purchase Price/Gross Rent Per Year) that enables you to cash flow. This example, based on the numbers you provided, suggest a price rent ratio of 4.9 which would be above par and probably a Class C property at 11.3% cap. 

If the property has/had  4 rentable units at the $140,000 price, gross rent exceeds both mortgage and expenses, producing a CF of $7,328 per year. Not something you can retire on but 10 of a similar property puts you at $73,280 per year.

The headache of managing 10 of such properties, at different locations and with a total of about 40 tenants would almost be a nightmare.. so at some point, an apartment might be less run around for same CF per year. But then, a 40 unit apartment at $1,400,000 would be about $35,000 per door -- that narrows significantly which markets you would be looking into.

Purchase Price               $140,000
Down Payment 25%                 $ 35,000
Loan Amount                $105,000
Mortgage Rate                       4.5%
Term                30 Years
Mortgage Payment (Month)                      $709
4 units @ $600 each (Month)                   $ 2,400
Gross Rent (Year)                 $ 28,800
Expenses 45% (Year)                 $ 12,960
Net Operating Income NOI                 $ 15,840
Debt Service (Year)                    $8,512
Cash Flow (Year)                   $ 7,328
Cash Flow (Month)                      $ 611
CF Per Unit                      $ 153
Cap Rate                   11.31%

Post: Had no idea Californians were spiritual

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Originally posted by @Account Closed:

Michael Swan thanks for the insight. The more time I spend on BP the more my plans change. Thought I had it all figured out but all the info on this site has made me rethink my whole investment path. That's a good thing though it means I'm learning to think like the big boys. Learn from the best to be the best. Not saying I'm selling for sure, but I will definitely do some soul searching.

 lol...a healthy dose of information isnt always bad..

Post: Had no idea Californians were spiritual

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Originally posted by @Account Closed:

Michael Swan I often think about selling my duplex in Seattle for the same reason. It produces a nice return, but I know I could get much more cashflow if I sold and used the money out of state. I am saving to buy in the Midwest. But sometimes I think that if I sold I could really get the snowball rolling. I hesitate because the value just keeps climbing. I don't want to be kicking myself in the butt 20 years from now like the Bay Area investors that sold 20 years ago.

 The appreciation numbers in Seattle seems aggressive and almost on par with LA, especially after the 2008- 2011'ish debacle. The cap rate in Seattle may be lower than LA though. Sounds like you are uncertain if to ride the Seattle appreciation wave so to speak or cash in and move into CF'ing markets.. perhaps there should be an RE game between the Seahawks and the Rams, Rams may finally win a game. Both markets seems to be long term markets as opposed to cash flow.

Post: Had no idea Californians were spiritual

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Originally posted by @Account Closed:

@Account Closed  This issue is happening in every urban area in the country with jobs.  In my area, rents are sky rocketing.  I doubt any of my tenants are making nearly twice as much as they were two years ago.  Many of their rents have nearly doubled in that time.

One thing that is helping some is the price of gas is lower.  If gas was to double in price and go back to what it was a few years ago people would be demanding higher wages or would not be able to live here.

 Thats an interesting take on things... so if I understand what you said...just jobs growth in some areas may drive housing prices irrespective of inventory, demand and supply? That would mean in areas like North Dakota experiencing a boom of sorts, that would or should by itself drive rental prices? It probably does affect significantly spending patterns there.

Post: The mindset of the Cash Flow investor: LA vs Baltimore

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Originally posted by @Account Closed:
Originally posted by @Andrew Stephens:
Originally posted by @Account Closed:

These visual comparisons illustrate that Baltimore is oversupplied with inexpensive homes, while DC essentially has no affordable homes for sale (many of the less than $300,000 listings are auctions or very small houses in disrepair).

You are sort of trying to compare volume of both cities in different median price points... median price in DC is about $555,000 and in Baltimore median =$120,000s. If you are searching for listings in the $120,000s range in both cities... you are likely to find more in Baltimore... if you also look for properties in the $500,000 price range in both cities, you are likely to find fewer in Baltimore comparatively. 

 Sort of like comparing three bd /two bth SFRs in the $1mil to $1.45 mil range in NYC to Baltimore. NYC is about 437  and Baltimore 8.  It doesnt necessarily suggest oversupply in NYC ... just variations in listings in various price points.

Post: The mindset of the Cash Flow investor: LA vs Baltimore

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Originally posted by @Andrew Stephens:
Originally posted by @Account Closed:

These visual comparisons illustrate that Baltimore is oversupplied with inexpensive homes, while DC essentially has no affordable homes for sale (many of the less than $300,000 listings are auctions or very small houses in disrepair).

You are sort of trying to compare volume of both cities in different median price points... median price in DC is about $555,000 and in Baltimore median =$120,000s. If you are searching for listings in the $120,000s range in both cities... you are likely to find more in Baltimore... if you also look for properties in the $500,000 price range in both cities, you are likely to find fewer in Baltimore comparatively. 

Post: Had no idea Californians were spiritual

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Originally posted by @Michael Swan:

Hi @Account Closed

We just purchased 2 apartment complexes in November of 2016 and also this new 24 unit in Akron we will be closing in about 30 days.  So, in October it will be $160,000 in cash flow and rising.  Plus we have forced appreciation approximately $400,000 on these apartment complexes.  

The apartment complex is a different beast then single family.  It is tough for most people to understand that with economies of scale, being between $100.00-$150.00 a door.  

When I had 10 single family in San Diego, they were only cash flowing $50,000 a year and currently by the power of the 1031 exchange, now I cash flow at $120,000 and soon to be $160,000 with 25% down payments.

Swanny

 hmm... it may have been quite a while back... at todays prices and rent, it does seem it also would take an incredible amount of creativity to CF in San Diego... especially if expenses is anywhere close to 50% and regardless of down payment being in the 25% range. It appears CF  is a core objective with your strategy.

Post: The mindset of the Cash Flow investor: LA vs Baltimore

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Originally posted by @Andrew Stephens:
Originally posted by @Account Closed:

 That is what I thought initially... that the population leakage of sorts would be a drag on price growth and it probably can be argued that it has had some effect on Baltimore prices but when I look at the data.. Baltimore's housing price has been growing by an average of 4.8% per year for last 35 years or so when you look at historical hpi data published by the federal reserve. That ist too shabby a growth rate compared to national average. So if with its population trend and high vacancy zombie homes, it has been growing at that rate... there is something unusual about the market it seems. The inventory of homes for sale also may not necessarily reflect proportioally rental listings at a particular time though or does it?

Yes, it seems that in addition to zombie houses on the street, there are thousands of zombie houses in the MLS ...Another factor is racism. This article notes that the geographic pattern of the vacant houses in Baltimore tracks the historic areas of "redlining" where lenders refused to lend on houses based upon race. 

 Racism in lending? Good gracious! I thought that was a myth...

Also...if there is a significant amount of vacants on the MLS it may skew the average price data for the area.

Post: Had no idea Californians were spiritual

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Originally posted by @Michael Swan:

Do what I do invest in Ohio and live the dream in California off your cash flow.

I live in San Diego and have 85 front doors in NE Ohio, soon to be 109 front doors. I started investing in this area in 2014. I have traded in pricey San Diego single family for much higher cash flowing 8 single family and 6, soon to be 7 apartment complexes.  I now have $120,000 cash flow per year, soon to be $160,000 cash flow.  You can have your cake and eat it too.

Feel free to ask me any questions.

Swanny

Interesting... thats about $117-$118 per door on 85 doors to net $120,000 CF per year. Thats CF after debt service correct?