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All Forum Posts by: Account Closed

Account Closed has started 11 posts and replied 613 times.

Post: Had no idea Californians were spiritual

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Originally posted by @Manolo D.:

... people here play appreciation, negative cash flow, and tax shelters. 

 Finally... someone who lives in LA gets to admit LA is a negative cash flow market. Even the cat got startled at that ...that isnt hate

Post: Had no idea Californians were spiritual

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Originally posted by @Manolo D.:

Why look at median when the ratio is skewed? It's including low to very low to no income, why would you count that? 

Not sure exactly what you asking here... the average is what is often skewed... the median indicates the most precise central tendency.

If this data set represented the after tax pay of residents in the city of Smallville, notice how 1 through 6 are sort of in the same range, but 7 and 8 materially different. 

If you were to just use the average (which many do), 313,438 although technically the average of the set, doesnt paint the best picture of what is really going on. The median does a better job at it, because 1350 is the range for the majority.

That is why you use the median.

1                  1,000
2                  1,100
3                  1,200
4                  1,300
5                  1,400
6                  1,500
7           1,000,000
8           1,500,000
Average             313,438
Median                   1350

Post: My offer I set the purchase price too high, now what?

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Originally posted by @Sandy Thomas:

First comment I have is directed @Felix Goldstein:  unlike you, licensed Realtors have fiduciary and ethical responsibility to the clients that they represent.  You saying ""agents/brokers lie ALL the time. it sounds like you relied on an agents lies when making your offer"

 Actually I think this is a valid issue. All realtors probably aren't all dishonest but there are quite a few of them. I have dealt with quite a few and sometimes some have a way of elevating their interest of earning a commission above the clients best interest. Sure not every realtor does this but there are enough of them doing it to be an issue -- and regardless of what their duty to the client is supposed to be.

Post: Had no idea Californians were spiritual

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Originally posted by @Joe J.:

This is an interesting topic that I think is way more complex than what a single stat line will show.  I definitely think there are many material nuances to Los Angeles specifically.  Some off the top of my head are:

1) As mentioned before, there are a lot of government subsidies for low income households.  So although a household with a single employed person with no dependents won't qualify for many subsidies @ the median wage of ~$50k, a single parent with 4 dependents definitely will.

2) Under-reported incomes: I guess i don't have comprehensive context on this, but it feels like to me that there are a much higher frequency of households that do not report a significant portion of their income (illegally) compared to other parts of the US.  Downtown LA is saturated with these types of businesses that will offer a "cash discount" on their products/services in order to pay less taxes when they report their income.  I don't know how this is factored into the "median wage" calculation.  I personally know way too many families on welfare that have purchased nice cars and homes in cash by being the benefactors of this "fiscal strategy".

I'm not making any particular point but am throwing these some-what anecdotal observations out there.

 It isn't that complex. When wage levels are chronically low, businesses eventually suffer because there is a direct correlation between wage levels, disposable income and spending. The subsidies in many areas is necessary to keep the economy moving. Unfortunately, the subsidies isn't exactly used to fund real estate transactions. There usually are federal wage guidelines for many or any of the programs, not sure which you are referring to specifically. The median wage is based on data from the IRS. So it is only inaccurate if you are saying Californians typically don't report or have an obligation to report income to the IRS. If that is what you are suggesting I am sure this would be exciting news to federal agents.

Post: Had no idea Californians were spiritual

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 "The median salary can't afford an median home."

That seems to be a fact.

"So maybe the median family don't buy homes. Is that awful or liberating?"

If that represents the majority, as it indeed does, then its not just awful.. its troubling; both as an investor and as a person. In some markets you actually need a special license to do what you seem to be describing.

"You've heard from the local investors and how we implement unique strategies in the unique market"

So if I get this correct, you buy a SFR, 3beds, 7 oe whatever, and then you essentially use the SFR as an apartment? Renting each unit within the SFR as an apartment. Thats the strategy/play in LA then?

"We don't seem concerned. Why are you so concerned? Running for the office soon?" 

We who? We investors? Because regulators obviously have a different view on this than you appear to be. Sure Fay... I really feel like discussing grand plans of the future right here...I thought we were talking Real Estate.

Post: Had no idea Californians were spiritual

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Originally posted by @Fay Chen:

The median income in DTLA is ~$100k. Read that in DTLA news last year. Google if you want. So maybe this will help ease your "concern."

 Well thanks for clearing that up Fay... a County is different from a City y'all! :) who would have thought?Again, no facts. This is exactly what anyone who tries to dispute this always does... no facts.

When you say median income in DTLA is $100,000, I sure hope DTLA isn't an acronym for Down Town LA. 

I count 265 neigbourhoods in LA (city) not LA (county). The median income for the Downtown neighborhood is $15,000 (that isnt a typo by the way). The median income for LA (city) is $63,000. How is this materially different for LA county in terms of what we are talking about?

This is the classic definition of being out of touch!

Post: My offer I set the purchase price too high, now what?

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Originally posted by @Chingju Hu:

Hey BiggerPocket, it's a silly situation, it's my fault, I hope you don't laugh at me too much LOL

I made an offer on a house, they accepted it almost instantly, I realize the purchase price is too high, what should I do?

What I did wrong are (don't repeat my mistakes >O<):

1) I had offers rejected instantly or ignored the day before, I felt upset and got carried away

2) I listened to the agent way too much without doing lots research myself, the agent said the house will go up 8000k more on the asking price and will have many offers and I listened >O<.

3) I really didn't think I'll get accepted that quickly LOL

The asking price is 125k, my offer is 130k, zestimate is about 128k but i know it's debatable...

 What do you do in this situation??? I think the house has potential if it's lower price, I shouldn't have put that high

 You get an unbiased realtor to help get accurate comps (if you feel you need help with it). If the value of a property barely grazes $100,000, it doesn't mean you have to pay $100,000 waiting on appreciation. If you were fed bad information by your realtor and consequently made a bad decision on that bad information, you typically don't get arrested for renegotiating with seller. 

Post: Had no idea Californians were spiritual

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Originally posted by @Fay Chen:

@Account Closed , desperate times call for desperate measures. Some freelance workers partner up with W2 workers to qualify for loans. And the partnership doesn't limit to spouses. My friend's landlord is an actress. She made good payout from a few longer-term contracts so she had some money saved. She bought a ~680K townhouse by the beach with her sister. She now rents 2 out of the 3 rooms out and the place practically pays for itself. In her spare time, she drives for Uber. Josh started as an actor in LA too. And look where he is now!

Also, freelance work in LA is probably more legit than you think. I pay my freelance/contract worker over $80/hr for a 12-month contract. My mom makes $150K-$250K/year as a free agent. And every penny is reported. 

There are definitely challenges in finding affordable housing in LA, let alone investing. So people get creative with the unique opportunities here. I'm sorry I can't present you with institution papers or research. But you wanted to hear from people who actually live in LA. That's what I provide here, just examples of me and my friends who actually live here. If it's not what you want, disregard what I said.

 The median household income in LA County is $56,000 not $150,000, not $250,000. Now that is Household Income, we aren't even talking Personal Income (much lower) -- huge difference. Some households may be comprised of 2 or 3 different wage earners as you mentioned earlier so people often confuse household income to mean personal income. What your mom makes isn't what every or a majority of LA county residents make.

As an investor I have concerns with what the data shows about the area although there are a few that will describe unverifiable experiences that conflicts with the facts. You may of course describe what you feel or see... but perception often can be very different from the fact and you dont base investment decisions on just feelings.

There are those on here who will often vehemently claim (wrongfully) that they have no idea what a housing affordability crises in LA even means. That from what they see, there are jobs everywhere. I say the facts suggest there is a crisis. Also, if the activities you mentioned are reported, then this should all be accounted for in the current employment and income data for the region. 

Your mom makes $150-$250K, if the data showed averages or that a majority of LA county residents made $150-$250K, there wouldn't be talks of an affordability crises, there wouldn't be rent controls. Not at current prices.

Median wages there is in the $50,000 range. You dont buy $749,000 houses or beach front properties with $50,000 income. To buy a median value home in LA today, at current prices require income in the 6 figure range; so unless the labor dept there is doing something grossly wrong, median wages is almost half of what it should be at current prices..

Post: The mindset of the Cash Flow investor: LA vs Baltimore

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The game hasn't even started yet...  that bad? 

Post: Had no idea Californians were spiritual

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Originally posted by @Fay Chen:

I live in the house with roommates. Each room is ~$1000/mon. And I had no trouble filling the rooms with quality people. I usually had to turn away 1-2 qualifying applicants for every listing. They are mostly students pursuing a professional degree and young professionals from all over the country and all over the world. One of my roommates left LA because she didn't like her job, only to find herself back in LA again in a month for 2 interviews! According to her, this is where the jobs are.

This is also a supporting argument... typically when you buy say a 3 bedroom 2 bath SFR, that usually is occupied by a single tenant or family (or at least thats how it was meant to be). I mean, its not a multifamily unit right? When you have a situation where a 3/2 SFR is essentially hacked into 3 different apartment units, rented to three different tenants or 3 different families for the property to get anywhere near cash flowing... this also tells you something about the local economy. Is this even a legal rental based on local ordinances? If it takes 3 different families or tenants to pool together to rent a single SFR residence, anyone sense an issue here?